Oh and lets not forget attending the "right "Dublin colleges somehow makes you superior to 98% of the Irish population to vote in some waste of space into the biggest waste of money and space on Kildare st.The Senad!!
And then we have the audacity to critique other countries on how to run their affairs when we have an oligarchy in our own.:mad:

Intresting TIME article on the RIGGED election in the US.Call it a "fortified" election if you want,it was still rigged

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

So Hunter Biden is writing a book...that's where he is been hiding.:eek:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9223909/Hunter-Bidens-memoir-Beautiful-Things-April.html

Despite his dad assuring us that no one in his family would profit from his presidency...Apart from 2 million for this work of fiction, and his creepy brother Frank's law firm already advertising "connections in the White House to the Biden presidency.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/27/biden-brother-touts-relationship-with-president-in-inauguration-day-ad-for-law-firm.html

Gotta say ol Joe certainly has Irish blood in him alright.He would fit in perfectly with some our grifters and gombeens in the Dail by making a few bob and getting the waster of a son employed,while trousering in the millions.:rolleyes:

The ideas from the world economic forum in Davos (the great reset), apparently eating meat and burning fuel is on the naughty list, there goes the barbeques

President Biden is asserting his authority and fair play to him...

https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/biden-seeks-to-go-big-fast-and-alone-on-covid-relief-1076718.html

riffmongous wrote: »

Its mental though, imagine you heard someone talking about school shootings being faked and Jewish space lasers starting forest fires, you'd run a mile, in the republican party that makes you a congressional candidate (and a successful one after you offer an apology for some of it)

Its mental everywhere though. Look at the UK's last election, Corbyn a complete marxist who's hobby is taking pictures of manhole covers and being anti-semitic on one side, and a mop headed idiot who's hobby is putting women in the club on the other.

Ursula von der leyen, who made a 24-carat balls of running the German military, having them running around in a Dads Army-esque style with broomsticks shouting BANG, in one of the biggest gun producing nations in the world. Then she gets the most important job in the EU :eek:

Some of the prize plonkers and cute-hoor's we have had here over the years, Haughey, living like the lord of the manor, with private island, yacht and massive mansion, when Irelands tyres weren't just a bit bald, they were down to the canvas :rolleyes:.

Rows Grower wrote: »

So is that all the Irish people that you are personally disappointed in Grizzly?

You come across as someone very trenchant in your views but it's hard to grasp what you are happy with or what would make you happy.

Is it tough being an American in Ireland?

IRISH/German /American please!:P
No just the ones who have an utterly naive idea about US politics.;)

tudderone wrote: »

The whole college thing is a joke in the western world. Too many parents want their offspring to have degree's, even though a lot of degree's are not worth the paper they are printed on. They end up in debt for something thats just not worth it.

I think that applies more to the US system that the rest of the western world. I don't know anyone who ended up in serious debt sending kids to school. Unlike the US were 6 figure costs are common.
Private colleges obviously exist in Ireland, but fees are typically lower, and the people that attend, typically can afford to.

Having worked in two colleges in Dublin, I seen first hand final year students doing engineering degree's who were really clueless. Maybe one in ten might make the grade in the outside world.

Of course they were clueless, they weren't even graduates.
There's no expectation that students of graduates are anywhere near the level of an guy with industrial experience. After 5 years in the field, that are starting to get it.

Same applies to trades. I've seen apprentices that can't be trusted to do much on their own. There are exceptions. But most wouldn't have a patch on a guy with 10 years experience.

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Grizzly 45 wrote: »

So Hunter Biden is writing a book...that's where he is been hiding.:eek:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9223909/Hunter-Bidens-memoir-Beautiful-Things-April.html

Didn't Trump Jr release a book during Trump's term also?

They are both entitled to do so in a personal capacity. Just seems odd to criticise one but both the other for the exact same thing. Don Jr had made a nice career by profiting off daddy's name/business/presidency.

Rows Grower wrote: »

I'd say there are still a few QAnon believer's out there still, probably a few amongst us.

I strongly suspect that most people going are trolling. Like the flat earth supporters. They don't actually believe it. It's just a game to play online to wind up people who argue back with them. Applies to most conspiracy theories. Or they just want to believe so ignore facts and logic (have you seen the conspiracy theory forum).
But there does also appear to be a a subset of people who genuinely believe in those or similar. Obviously these people are not the full shilling. It's be funny, if it wasn't for the fact that there's no chance they'll get help when they need it.

Trump is really becoming an outcast now, poor fella is debt to the tune of $400m too.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/biden-says-no-need-for-trump-to-get-intelligence-briefings-1076731.html

Meantime the Dem and liberals continue with their ideal of "reaching out and healing the nation" by suggesting DRONE strikes on Republicans in America on MSM... Trump derangement syndrome at its finest.:P:P:P

https://americanlookout.com/msnbcs-nicolle-wallace-suggests-using-drone-strikes-on-americans-video/

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

If you are going to Harvard or Yale or some other Ivy League college and living the high life with it:D

The average is about 38k college debt top end on graduation.The average is about 26,000.
https://www.aplu.org/projects-and-initiatives/college-costs-tuition-and-financial-aid/publicuvalues/student-debt.html

That’s debt, not cost. And that’s a stagger amount of average debt.
The cost average is $35,000 per year. If $140k, average for a 4 year degree.
Harvard is 200k-300k

https://educationdata.org/average-cost-of-college

Did he? Haven't heard, not that you would with all the censoring and de-platforming of anything Trump-related these days.:)

It was published a few years ago. He got the deal as soon as Trump won in 2016.
I’m just highlighting the double standard. It’s very petty.

if being made the CEO of his dads business empire that he handed over the running of when he became president, you might have a case.

I’m not sure what you are trying to say here. Reads like half a sentence.
I was referring to being put “in charge” of major construction projects in NYC when he graduated with a degree in economics - a unrelated field with zero experience.
But you make a good point too. He was handed a nice Vice President title when Trump was elected. Eric too. Nice if you can get it. Of course neither was actually CEO/CFO that was some other guy handed control.

But for being a sordid little crack junkie and sexual pervert that gets strippers pregnant and is a money bag man for his old man from his Chinese and Russian paymasters...Maybe that's an honourable profession in some peoples eyes these days...

Sexual pervert? That could just easily really refer to a Trump or Hunter Biden. Although it’s mainly snr that’s been dodging court for sex crimes. Maybe Jr is smarter.
Secret meetings with the Russians, Don Jr...but that was adoption information wink wink.
Trying to bribe to Ukraine government officials. That was Trump.
The parallels are endless. It’s striking really.

I know you intend it to be the latter. Another double standard, shocking.

Cass wrote: »

Speaking of.

Sandra Mahon, a state solicitor, has prosecuted many cases for the state on agricultural matters and most recently an Offaly puppy farm, is at the centre of a controversy because her Mother, Maureen, was found to be running a puppy farm too.

Article.

I hope these puppy farms are consigned to history, some of the pictures you see of the conditions are horrible. A cash cow for those who want handy money.

Mellor wrote: »

I was referring to being put “in charge” of major construction projects in NYC when he graduated with a degree in economics - a unrelated field with zero experience.

Surely that was a figurehead role!?!

Mellor wrote: »

That’s debt, not cost. And that’s a stagger amount of average debt.
The cost average is $35,000 per year. If $140k, average for a 4 year degree.

Quantitative as well. Depends on whether you are studying in-state or out of state, whether it is a public uni or private college living at home or in digs.

Harvard is 200k-300k

And if you happen to be in the about 50K worth of a student population of both universities of both grad and undergrads its out for the majority of American students those sums.



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t was published a few years ago. He got the deal as soon as Trump won in 2016.
I’m just highlighting the double standard. It’s very petty.

Title of it? Oh do you mean Triggered? The one where he signed the deal in MAY 2019?? Hardly "soon after" his dad became president. :P

I’m not sure what you are trying to say here. Reads like half a sentence.
I was referring to being put “in charge” of major construction projects in NYC when he graduated with a degree in economics - an unrelated field with zero experience.

You do realise that there are plenty of people in all fields that just have irrelevant degrees to their fields of work?. The US is full of it in all fields and businesses.

But you make a good point too. He was handed a nice Vice President title when Trump was elected. Eric too. Nice if you can get it. Of course neither was actually CEO/CFO that was some other guy handed control.

Yeah, pretty much a day to day life thing that people pass their business onto their children whether wasters or total geniuses.Know it from personal family experience:rolleyes:... Point being?

Sexual pervert? That could just easily really refer to a Trump or Hunter Biden. Although it’s mainly snr that’s been dodging court for sex crimes. Maybe Jr is smarter

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Trouble one is a known sexual pervert and .junkie..The other has been accused by a mentally unstable woman, who somehow took only like 20 odd years to come forward with rape claims in Maccys... 100% believable

Secret meetings with the Russians, Don Jr...but that was adoption information wink wink.

Trying to bribe to Ukraine government officials. That was Trump.
The parallels are endless. It’s striking really

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And both after 3 years of Democratic sham investigations and bawling amounted to a nothing burger...
And whose dad being the Vice president was threatning one country to withhold billions of aid if they didn't shift out and crush an investigation into his son's dodgy dealings in Burisma ..nudge,nudge.https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived

I know you intend it to be the latter. Another double standard, shocking

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Whatever...

An interesting article, I wonder how long it will take for Donald and the believer's to face up to the truth or will they ever be able to deal with reality again?

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01/can-trumps-cult-of-followers-be-deprogrammed

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

More Water melon lunacy...stay in your homes forever because of climate change...

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/02/05/why-greens-love-lockdown/?fbclid=IwAR1C1i-68rfy5lprzucueReWSTN-vXpo7Td5fMr5xB_Km_KnxVjqElY6inM

I give the melons and their daft and dafter notions, the two fingered salute. We have had nearly a year of this lockdown carry on and its about as much as i can stomach at this stage :mad:.

Anyone notice the anti-milk and anti-meat adverts on the public transport lately ? I wonder who is paying for that ?

The world economic lot want this rubbish in the video below. Its enthusiastically supported by well know twits, such as Prince Charles and Bonio from U2.

Rows Grower wrote: »

An interesting article, I wonder how long it will take for Donald and the believer's to face up to the truth or will they ever be able to deal with reality again?

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01/can-trumps-cult-of-followers-be-deprogrammed

And when you read "Vanity Fair" and a headline with;CAN TRUMP’S CULT OF FOLLOWERS BE DEPROGRAMMED?

You need not bother reading further to see the Democrat ideal of "Unity and healing" is still on their terms of "Submit to our ideals or we'll beat it out of you in a reeducation camp!". :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Maybe if people stopped calling the other side "Trumptards," Cultists, idiots" and deplatforming,and attacking people for wearing a HAT that they find "OFFENSIVE" or attacking their kids for wearing such,as well as maybe quit burning looting and murdering or destroying statues and buildings...We might be able to have a civil discourse...but I doubt Democrats or their supporters know what that is.

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

And when you read "Vanity Fair" and a headline with;CAN TRUMP’S CULT OF FOLLOWERS BE DEPROGRAMMED?

You need not bother reading further to see the Democrat ideal of "Unity and healing" is still on their terms of "Submit to our ideals or we'll beat it out of you in a reeducation camp!". :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Maybe if people stopped calling the other side "Trumptards," Cultists, idiots" and deplatforming,and attacking people for wearing a HAT that they find "OFFENSIVE" or attacking their kids for wearing such,as well as maybe quit burning looting and murdering or destroying statues and buildings...We might be able to have a civil discourse...but I doubt Democrats or their supporters know what that is.

From Orwells 1984.

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

Rows Grower wrote: »

Surely you jest?

You, of all people on this thread are offended by other peoples comments?

You've got to be joking.

To be fair its not the comments that Grizz is addressing, it's the attitudes of a party to silence their opposition and the hypocrisy of that same group who preached reconciliation and unity but were quick to turn back on their word. These comments and plans should be concerning, whether or not you agree with Trump, as its a very slippery slope to tyranny when you turn a blind eye to censorship. First they came for the Trump supporters..... Ye all know how that ended, and isn't something we can afford.

Feisar wrote: »

Surely that was a figurehead role!?!

Absolutely. That was the point.

As I said, it's entirely expect that those born into that insane wealth will land on their feet. I just think it's bizarre for republican to critize

tudderone wrote: »

Hmmm, don't know about that, for the past few elections its been a struggle to find the "Least worst" candidate. I still push myself out to vote though, seeing as people strived on our behalf to get us the thing in the first place.

Sure. But "least unpopular" is still a bizarre popularity contest.

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Quantitative as well. Depends on whether you are studying in-state or out of state, whether it is a public uni or private college living at home or in digs.

I quoted the average. 4 Times higher than the one claimed.
The above factors will affect an individual sits in relation to the average. THat's a given.

Title of it? Oh do you mean Triggered? The one where he signed the deal in MAY 2019?? Hardly "soon after" his dad became president. :P

He announced the book in May. It was published later that year.
Work on the book, as well as the deal would have started prior to that.

And the time is really irrelevant. You were complaining that Hunter is profiting from Biden's presidency. How is that any different from Don Jr's book, that you pretended you didn't know about? Rhetorical question I suppose.

You do realise that there are plenty of people in all fields that just have irrelevant degrees to their fields of work?. The US is full of it in all fields and businesses.

Yeah, pretty much a day to day life thing that people pass their business onto their children whether wasters or total geniuses.Know it from personal family experience:rolleyes:... Point being?

Trouble one is a known sexual pervert and .junkie..The other has been accused by a mentally unstable woman, who somehow took only like 20 odd years to come forward with rape claims in Maccys... 100% believable

Come on, there's not just one. He's had dozen of accusers going back to the 80s. Some settled out of court.
I highly doubt you'd extend Hunter or Biden benefit of doubt. Well, we know you don't.

And both after 3 years of Democratic sham investigations and bawling amounted to a nothing burger...
And whose dad being the Vice president was threatning one country to withhold billions of aid if they didn't shift out and crush an investigation into his son's dodgy dealings in Burisma ..nudge,nudge.https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/436816-joe-bidens-2020-ukrainian-nightmare-a-closed-probe-is-revived

Trump Jr admits the secret meeting happened. There's no question of that.

Didn't Trump legally without hold aid from Ukraine.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/16/trump-administration-broke-law-in-withholding-ukraine-aid.html

You really making my point very well there.

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

And when you read "Vanity Fair" and a headline with;CAN TRUMP’S CULT OF FOLLOWERS BE DEPROGRAMMED?

Maybe if people stopped calling the other side "Trumptards," Cultists, idiots" and deplatforming,and attacking people for wearing a HAT that they find "OFFENSIVE" or attacking their kids for wearing such,as well as maybe quit burning looting and murdering or destroying statues and buildings...We might be able to have a civil discourse...but I doubt Democrats or their supporters know what that is.

This is ironic surely.

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

...as its a very slippery slope to tyranny when you turn a blind eye to censorship.

I've commented on the censorship issue a few times. My view is unchanged.
Nobody should be ok with blanket censorship, especially from a government or governing body. I also don't think it should be acceptable for an elected official, least of all the head of state, to blatantly lie to the public. The government should be held to a higher standard that individuals for obvious reasons.

It's possible to support personal free speech while also expecting elected officials are held to certain standards while representing public office.
Imagine the government mislead the people and lied all the time, North Korea style, and just played it off with "LOL, free speech guys". That's also a slippery slope to tyranny.