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How do people survive on wages close to minimum wage?

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    #152
    xLisaBx
    Registered Users Posts: 901 ✭✭✭xLisaBx


    lmimmfn wrote: »
    You get letters after your name if you get your course regardless, but only twats like chemists or doctors use them.
    There's something wrong with those guys if they have useful degrees and are doing 10euro per hour jobs.

    I think though if you did a highly intnese degree for five years like pharmacy or medicine, you'd have earned the right to use them letters after your name whenever you wanted :D


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    #153
    TheManthatsDan
    Registered Users Posts: 34 ✭TheManthatsDan


    Originally Posted by Permabear View Post
    It would be an interesting experiment to see how little money you could live on if you tried.

    Oh I've pondered this many a time, paying serious attention to special offers in supermarkets...military planning, join a cheap gym for the the shower, charge your phone literally anywhere you get the chance,

    Never tried it though...spend 16 euro on pizza sometimes.

    A colleague who lives near me recons he spends 40 euro a week on petrol, I cycle...so satisfying.


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    #154
    lmimmfn
    Registered Users Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    xLisaBx wrote: »
    I think though if you did a highly intnese degree for five years like pharmacy or medicine, you'd have earned the right to use them letters after your name whenever you wanted :D
    Let me guess, you're in one of the cited industries? :) :P
    I had a highly intensive 4 year course computer science, but I don't use BSc ......ever
    Its not a badge, my work shows my ability. Honestly and not trying to be an ass but I think its pompous nonsense, like some sort of advertisement for credulity.


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    #155
    Thelomen Toblackai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 965 ✭✭✭Thelomen Toblackai


    dreamers75 wrote: »
    5 people where I work on manual labor jobs getting 10 an hour who completed college.

    Tbh completing college really just delayed their arrival to 10 an hour jobs.

    College to me seems to be something people do because they can, its like school is now longer. Unless you are getting letters after your name you have the same chances as someone who didn't go to college.

    You need a relevant degree and you need a decent one. A lot of people seem to just go to college and do anything, scrape through with a bare pass and then act surprised when they end up not being able to use it to get a decent job. Then others who never bothered proclaim it proof degree's and college are useless.

    Anyone who studies an in demand discipline, puts in the effort and does well will have plenty of options for well paid employment.

    I went from working low skilled, low paid manual labor jobs myself to a well paid position with benefits, pensions etc after 3 years of college. It was like walking out into a different world with the amount of employment options I had.


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    #156
    Hollister11
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    LexieOnRale wrote: »
    You're surviving on a lot less, no?

    My parents fund me. That €50 is pocket money I earned from a 5 hour Saturday job.


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    #157
    xLisaBx
    Registered Users Posts: 901 ✭✭✭xLisaBx


    lmimmfn wrote: »
    Let me guess, you're in one of the cited industries? :) :P
    I had a highly intensive 4 year course computer science, but I don't use BSc ......ever
    Its not a badge, my work shows my ability. Honestly and not trying to be an ass but I think its pompous nonsense, like some sort of advertisement for credulity.

    No I'm in the Biomedical Science industry. I think the letters are BScBMS but not entirely sure. I might convert to medicine in a few years though because I can't see myself making any money in the medical science sector.
    Computer science looks tough alright in college, I think you've earned those letters, go for it :D


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    #158
    xLisaBx
    Registered Users Posts: 901 ✭✭✭xLisaBx


    Hollister11 wrote: »
    My parents fund me. That €50 is pocket money I earned from a 5 hour Saturday job.

    You could definitely make a living from that. Just get more hours. 8 hours Saturday, 8 hours Sunday and 5 on a Friday night would sum to 210 euro. You could support yourself on that :)


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    #159
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    Hollister11 wrote: »
    My parents fund me. That €50 is pocket money I earned from a 5 hour Saturday job.

    :) it sucks when you join the real world and have to fund yourself no matter how much you earn


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    #160
    Hollister11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Hollister11


    xLisaBx wrote: »
    You could definitely make a living from that. Just get more hours. 8 hours Saturday, 8 hours Sunday and 5 on a Friday night would sum to 210 euro. You could support yourself on that :)

    There's only Saturday work available. It's also a construction job, which I enjoy.


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    #161
    xLisaBx
    Registered Users Posts: 901 ✭✭✭xLisaBx


    Hollister11 wrote: »
    There's only Saturday work available. It's also a construction job, which I enjoy.

    Ah okay. Well the principal still stands- if you got them hours in a bar or something, you could entirely support yourself :)


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    #162
    lmimmfn
    Registered Users Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    xLisaBx wrote: »
    No I'm in the Biomedical Science industry. I think the letters are BScBMS but not entirely sure. I might convert to medicine in a few years though because I can't see myself making any money in the medical science sector.
    Computer science looks tough alright in college, I think you've earned those letters, go for it :D
    Haha, thanks, i like the attitude, but nah never for me, outside of chemists or doctors I wouldn't mind people using it, they just annoy me if I have a degree I don't feel the need to plaster it everywhere, for them its for common people to think they're intelligent.

    I honestly would have thought Biomedical Research would have been a good course in Ireland but job wise research jobs in Ireland aren't great compared to the EU in general or the US, so I kinda understand

    *EDIT* I will say for me after 20 years I still love driving into work, excited for what I'll do today,
    and loving the days work, magic


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    #163
    TheManthatsDan
    Registered Users Posts: 34 ✭TheManthatsDan


    Hollister11 wrote: »
    There's only Saturday work available. It's also a construction job, which I enjoy.
    Maybe you like construction...?


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    #164
    Hollister11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Hollister11


    TheManthatsDan wrote: »
    Maybe you like construction...?

    I think I made that clear. I dabble in garden construction on Saturday and during the summer. It's great working in the outdoors.


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    #165
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users Posts: 30,310 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Hollister11 wrote: »
    I think I made that clear. I dabble in garden construction on Saturday and during the summer. It's great working in the outdoors.

    I thought you worked in a deli counter/shop?


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    #166
    Hollister11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Hollister11


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    I thought you worked in a deli counter/shop?

    I did.


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    #167
    lmimmfn
    Registered Users Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    Hollister11 wrote: »
    I did.
    Its all unfolding now lol


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    #168
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users Posts: 30,310 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    lmimmfn wrote: »
    Its all unfolding now lol

    It's funny how he got the job in the deli!
    Hollister11 wrote: »
    I was ordering a sandwich once, and I'm a vegetarian so I asked her to change gloves, clean knife and surface ect.

    She got the bread, first thing she did was put a slice of ham on the bread. She realised what she did, took the ha. Off and used the same gloves and bread that touched ham to make me the sandwich. ****ing scumbag, I ripped through her and the manager. Refused to go back, until I had a job interview there. (Got the job, and the deli worker quit that week) Goodridance. Serves the idiot right.


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    #169
    lmimmfn
    Registered Users Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    It's funny how he got the job in the deli!
    Management material right there, 80k is doable in 5 years with that attitude.


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    #170
    Hollister11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Hollister11


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    It's funny how he got the job in the deli!

    Really. Dragging a previous post up.


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    #171
    TheManthatsDan
    Registered Users Posts: 34 ✭TheManthatsDan


    He also loves the outdoors so will rise through the office ranks and pull 80 grand in no time, its also called landscaping not garden construction.


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    #172
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users Posts: 30,310 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Hollister11 wrote: »
    Really. Dragging a previous post up.

    I just wanted to let people know that your no push over and you'll be on 80k in no time! :D


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    #173
    Hollister11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Hollister11


    TheManthatsDan wrote: »
    He also loves the outdoors so will rise through the office ranks and pull 80 grand in no time, its also called landscaping not garden construction.

    Shows how little you know.


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    #174
    TheManthatsDan
    Registered Users Posts: 34 ✭TheManthatsDan


    Degree in horticulture, professional landscaper...wouldn't give you a mop job.


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    #175
    [Deleted User]
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    It's hard to describe how pathetic posters are who stalk post history looking for information. They are too dim to understand how people's jobs, situation, outlook, plans etc change over the years and how different the current reality is compared to some random post years back.


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    #176
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users Posts: 30,310 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Lacey Helpful Sifter wrote: »
    It's hard to describe how pathetic posters are who stalk post history looking for information. They are too dim to understand how people's jobs, situation, outlook, plans etc change over the years and how different the current reality is compared to some random post years back.

    The OP's post I quoted from a previous thread is probably one of the most memorable posts I've read in a long time mainly because of how badly he treated the staff member!(You'd say to yourself, he's one to watch)


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    #177
    lmimmfn
    Registered Users Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    Lacey Helpful Sifter wrote: »
    It's hard to describe how pathetic posters are who stalk post history looking for information. They are too dim to understand how people's jobs, situation, outlook, plans etc change over the years and how different the current reality is compared to some random post years back.
    its the internet, everyone's history is available.
    Its not up to you or I to decide how someone else's circumstances/outlook etc. changes, thats up to the OP to convey.

    Its still relevant regardless.


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    #178
    Parapara2017
    Registered Users Posts: 456 ✭✭Parapara2017


    I'm on about that wage with fluctuating hours, up and down which average to about the equivalent of 40hours pw @ 10ph.

    I live at home so theres the answer. But if I didn't and lets say 650 pm in rent, 400pm for car expenses (young driver insurance...) And i dont know how much I'd spend on shopping for just me but I have roughly 550 or so to spend on whatever else.

    I work with people who have kids and i think the same. But even still those people still drink, go out, buy wants not needs etc.

    And if i didn't have a car theres an extra 400euro pm freed up. Maybe take 100quid off for public transport but walking / cycling is also free.

    In 5 years that's equal to what 180k. Lets say you're making 40k average over 5 years after graduating thats 200k or so. But thats 9 years including the 4 years of unpaid study + living expenses etc.

    In regards to your 'you need college for a good job, look at Lidl and Aldi. Management there are on 45k-80k (and really are on 80k op ;P) degrees are becoming more and more worthless as years go on. Especially with education costs increasing.


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    #179
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,119 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Hollister11 wrote: »
    Computer Science, I'm specialising in softwared development.

    I am aware of people with 10 years experience in software testing earning 28k in Dublin.

    These are not programmers.


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    #180
    Geuze
    Registered Users Posts: 13,119 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    La.de.da wrote: »
    Tbh where I live €400-€500 is an average decent wage.

    Life ain't all about money.

    Average earnings in Ireland are 45k approx for full-time workers, or 870 per week.

    400-500 is not "an average decent wage".


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    #181
    skankkuvhima
    Closed Accounts Posts: 281 ✭✭skankkuvhima


    thierry14 wrote: »
    Try 35-45k if your lucky

    Senior software engineers are struggling to get 80k with certifications galore

    Degree doesn't mean **** in software development

    It's all about certification

    You'll put the real work in then

    I wasn't going to jump in but I feel I have to. Certification means nothing, absolutely nothing. The only thing that counts in software development is experience.

    Person A) Experience in technology X
    Person B) Cert in technology X

    Person A gets hired everytime.

    I see certification trotted out on other forums too. That and for some bizarre reason having a github account and a load of side projects. Nonsense!


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