All Ireland Senior Football Championships 2017 - Read Mod Note Post #1

Always number 1

Bret Hart wrote: »

If Connolly is indeed cited in which he should be,the silver lining for him and Dublin is at least he'll be well rested too face Kerry on the third Sunday in September.

If he gets done - and i think he should - he should be cut from the panel. Why would you bother having him in the panel for the final IF they get there when other players were on the pitch or in the panel that got them there.

The_Kew_Tour

You can can call it all you like

Say its anti this and that.

You should not be allowed touch official. 6 months and that might put stop to it.

These officials give their free time. Getting no respect in GAA

Shaungoater

Jayop wrote: »

Nope, claiming the ref didn't do everything for Dublin tonight is typical Dublin blinkered bull****.

Refer me back to where I said that exactly????

He was poor overall. Murphys first yellow was very soft. Manions likewise.
Connolly should of got red. There was soft frees a plenty.

ThunbergsAreGo

Jayop wrote: »

Bull****.

The team that actually tries to attack will get more frees when a referee is over picky, it's not rocket science.

Dublin were always going to win that

Jayop

Shaungoater wrote: »

Refer me back to where I said that exactly????

He was poor overall. Murphys first yellow was very soft. Manions likewise.
Connolly should of got red. There was soft frees a plenty.

You said he was poor for both teams. He wasn't. He was great for Dublin.

theoneeyedman

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

You can can call it all you like

Say its anti this and that.

You should not be allowed touch official. 6 months and that might put stop to it.

These officials give their free time. Getting no respect in GAA

In fairness, it's not like Mr Connolly has a checkered history or anything..
If the cccccc don't throw the book at him given the bans to Davey and the Tipp lad, then fvck me lads.

Stoner

Bonniedog wrote:

Ref gave some soft ones, but I don't recall any player on either side lying down after a lot of tough hits. Must have been a novelty for one of your countymen

TBH a couple of the Carlow lads went down easy enough, before you have a go at me over it I think is was fairly understandable.

Any breaks they got were from behind their midfield, most of their players were behind them, they had one option up front and he wasn't exactly Mr mobile. Their big target man at corner forward spent most of the evening on his own line or tracking Manion.

By the time the Carlow players had worked the ball into the scoring zone they were knackered and there was nothing on for them, no support.

Drawing the free and getting a quick breather in the process was the correct footballing decision IMO.

ixus

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

You can can call it all you like

Say its anti this and that.

You should not be allowed touch official. 6 months and that might put stop to it.

These officials give their free time. Getting no respect in GAA

Just seen it. While the act is pretty tame, the intention of intimidating the official is high end. If that happened in rugby (where the GAA should model itself on respect for officials), the incident would be dealt with severely.

Expect Ciaran Whelan to greet his teeth and brush it off tomorrow night.

Jayop

theoneeyedman wrote: »

In fairness, it's not like Mr Connolly has a checkered history or anything..
If the cccccc don't throw the book at him given the bans to Davey and the Tipp lad, then fvck me lads.

What did McGeeney get again for saying something to the linesman?

km79

Jayop wrote: »

What did McGeeney get again for saying something to the linesman?

12 weeks which is what DC will get

Jayop

I'll be surprised is he misses a game and even more amazed if he misses more.

Stoner

Jayop wrote:

I'll be surprised is he misses a game and even more amazed if he misses more.

Quick someone start a poll thread titled

"Will Jayop be surprised or amazed?"

Jayop

Stoner wrote: »

Quick someone start a poll thread titled

"Will Jayop be surprised or amazed?"

Or not surprised at all when he doesn't get a ban.

C__MC

ixus wrote: »

Just seen it. While the act is pretty tame, the intention of intimidating the official is high end. If that happened in rugby (where the GAA should model itself on respect for officials), the incident would be dealt with severely.

Expect Ciaran Whelan to greet his teeth and brush it off tomorrow night.[/quote

Tomos O Se will probably describe it as
"Ah sure look it I suppose it was just Diarmuid being Diarmuid, I don't think there was any malice in it. He's a passionate guy who plays on the edge."

nice_guy80

C__MC wrote: »

ixus wrote: »

Just seen it. While the act is pretty tame, the intention of intimidating the official is high end. If that happened in rugby (where the GAA should model itself on respect for officials), the incident would be dealt with severely.

Expect Ciaran Whelan to greet his teeth and brush it off tomorrow night.[/quote

Tomos O Se will probably describe it as
"Ah sure look it I suppose it was just Diarmuid being Diarmuid, I don't think there was any malice in it. He's a passionate guy who plays on the edge."

He's a lovely fella. I know him well.
He's not into fast cars or women

Stoner

Hammer Archer wrote:

Ah now. If that was the reason, why wouldn't he bring the referee's attention to the fact that Connolly grabbed him? .

He didn't grab him, you also said he wasn't targeted, seconds before he had three Carlow men dragging him over the sideline one had him by the neck. He was also floored in the first half off the ball. Apart from the dig he got it didn't seem to be excessive, he wasn't being dragged excessively, he should be well able for it. I'm not making a case for him being targeted, more a case against your assessment of the situation, possibly seen on the TV?

I agree he should get a ban and might do so.

The linesman didn't seem to know how to handle the flare up. He did appear to behave like he wanted this to blow over.
After he sent Murphy off he spent considerable time with his arm on the shoulders of the Carlow management team talking to them, it was all a bit strange. I don't know what his motivation was to give the decision one way or the other but I'd be very surprised if he makes a meal of it.

If Connelly gets off, i think it will because of the linesman's report on it, he's the key to this. But from where I was watching Connelly might be in hot water.

corny

Bonniedog wrote: »

I've no doubt Brannigan deliberately gave the wrong call in order to annoy him, but he can't be pushing linesmen, no matter what sort of fkers they are.

I was right in line with it.....it did touch Cooper in the air and the correct decision was a sideline ball to Carlow. Also, Brannigan looked to the ref for guidance and the ref pointed Carlow ball. The decision was made for him.

FWIW Connolly should get a holiday given the precedence but i do lament the fact that the entire Carlow team were there to get him sent off. Three of them accosted him because he's Dermot Connolly. The Maor Foirne leapt out of his skin with excitement when Connolly touched the linesmen. He had to put up with **** the entire game too. **** i'd lose the plot eventually if i was him. Not that Dublin are immune from this stuff either.....Cooper got the Carlow lad the line by constantly pushing him looking for a reaction. Disgustingly methodical because he knew he was on a yellow.

I'd love to see a stance taken in the GAA to cut this **** out. A personal conviction but i find it far more offensive than the heat of the moment stuff. I kind of understand that given the frequency of the wind ups.

Jayop

If Connelly gets off it down to the fact he's a dub and nothing else.

Hammer Archer

Stoner wrote: »

He didn't grab him, you also said he wasn't targeted, seconds before he had three Carlow men dragging him over the sideline one had him by the neck. He was also floored in the first half off the ball. Apart from the dig he got it didn't seem to be excessive, he wasn't being dragged excessively, he should be well able for it. I'm not making a case for him being targeted, more a case against your assessment of the situation, possibly seen on the TV?

I agree he should get a ban and might do so.

The linesman didn't seem to know how to handle the flare up. He did appear to behave like he wanted this to blow over.
After he sent Murphy off he spent considerable time with his arm on the shoulders of the Carlow management team talking to them, it was all a bit strange. I don't know what his motivation was to give the decision one way or the other but I'd be very surprised if he makes a meal of it.

If Connelly gets off, i think it will because of the linesman's report on it, he's the key to this. But from where I was watching Connelly might be in hot water.

Alright, Connolly pushed him then. Still a 12 week ban.
And here's the video footage of the incident:
https://twitter.com/eirSport/status/871091238480609280
I don't see any of the Carlow players grabbing him round the neck (though the incident does go behind the Carlow maor foirne). I see Connolly refusing to give the ball back to the Carlow players despite it (correctly according to corny above) being a Carlow sideline.

I don't think the linesman gives a report. Regardless, the video is there. He physically interfered with the linesman. For once, the GAA's rules are black and white on the issue and there is clear, recent precedent. It'll be a complete joke of a situation if he doesn't receive the same ban as others.

ixus

corny wrote: »

I was right in line with it.....it did touch Cooper in the air and the correct decision was a sideline ball to Carlow. Also, Brannigan looked to the ref for guidance and the ref pointed Carlow ball. The decision was made for him.

FWIW Connolly should get a holiday given the precedence but i do lament the fact that the entire Carlow team were there to get him sent off. Three of them accosted him because he's Dermot Connolly. The Maor Foirne leapt out of his skin with excitement when Connolly touched the linesmen. He had to put up with **** the entire game too. **** i'd lose the plot eventually if i was him. Not that Dublin are immune from this stuff either.....Cooper got the Carlow lad the line by constantly pushing him looking for a reaction. Disgustingly methodical because he knew he was on a yellow.

I'd love to see a stance taken in the GAA to cut this **** out. A personal conviction but i find it far more offensive than the heat of the moment stuff. I kind of understand that given the frequency of the wind ups.

Always surprises me how little attention Cooper draws in comparison to Keegan or McMahon. He is sly as fk and keeps a low profile i guess. He drew a black card/removal out of Seamus O'Shea before too. It's an art I guess but how long do you get away with it before a ref pics up and becomes immune to your cries of wolf?

Slattsy

Might have a few scoops in me, but it looks like the linesman deliberately walks into DC's hand there.

Joking aside, loved reading this thread tonight. Some beauts (heroes) about after a Dubs game. Cant imagine what it feels like to be you.



xoxo

The_Honeybadger

12 week ban for Connolly means he may not feature again this year. If they make the final and bring him back it will be a kick in the hole for whoever takes his place between now and then, and he'd lack match sharpness anyway. It will be a farce if they don't ban him, although nothing would surprise me given who he is and who he plays for. The GAA will not want Dublins marquee man sitting at home for the summer.

Gavin must be tearing his hair out with him at this stage. We have seen flawed geniuses in the past, but I have never seen any player let his team down so regularly with this type of behaviour, and bizarrely he seems to getting worse rather than better with age.

Jayop

Slattsy wrote: »

Might have a few scoops in me, but it looks like the linesman deliberately walks into DC's hand there.

Joking aside, loved reading this thread tonight. Some beauts (heroes) about after a Dubs game. Cant imagine what it feels like to be you.



xoxo

Feels great.

I've been a dubs cheerleader for a fee years. The team, amazing. The management, amazing. The support, by and large amazing. Agreeing with ye about the nonsense about splitting the county in two because ye won a few all Ireland's.

All that and I'd say I'm pretty consistent, playing against a genuine contender or playing against the likes of Carlow you consistently get a crazy amount of dubious decisions that change games on your favour.

If I was a dub I'd be getting annoyed that a great sides legacy is a little sullied by it all at this stage.

corny

Don't know if its been mentioned but the Carlow kick out strategy was a thing of beauty.

Team talk...... "Everyone stay inside the 45 and you (goalkeeper) kick it to the Dubs massed on the half way line."

Gael85

mickeyk wrote: »

12 week ban for Connolly means he may not feature again this year. If they make the final and bring him back it will be a kick in the hole for whoever takes his place between now and then, and he'd lack match sharpness anyway. It will be a farce if they don't ban him, although nothing would surprise me given who he is and who he plays for. The GAA will not want Dublins marquee man sitting at home for the summer.

Gavin must be tearing his hair out with him at this stage. We have seen flawed geniuses in the past, but I have never seen any player let his team down so regularly with this type of behaviour, and bizarrely he seems to getting worse rather than better with age.

I think the rules apply differently for the top 4/5 teams(not just Dublin) than the rest however Diarmuid won't escape censure this time.

The_Honeybadger

Gael85 wrote: »

I think the rules apply differently for the top 4/5 teams(not just Dublin) than the rest however Diarmuid won't escape censure this time.

They threw the book at Paul Galvin when he knocked a notebook out of paddy Russell's hand. He played for a top team and got no special treatment.

You would imagine there will be no option but to ban him alright. He will be a massive loss to Dublin come QF and SF.

Jayop

mickeyk wrote: »

They threw the book at Paul Galvin when he knocked a notebook out of paddy Russell's hand. He played for a top team and got no special treatment.

You would imagine there will be no option but to ban him alright. He will be a massive loss to Dublin come QF and SF.

He's be back for the semi. If the ban is from today.

Gael85

mickeyk wrote: »

They threw the book at Paul Galvin when he knocked a notebook out of paddy Russell's hand. He played for a top team and got no special treatment.

You would imagine there will be no option but to ban him alright. He will be a massive loss to Dublin come QF and SF.

That one incident which was 11 years when match bans didn't apply. Kerry and Mayo players have gotten away with bans along with Dublin over the years

Gael85

Jayop wrote: »

He's be back for the semi. If the ban is from today.

What dates are semi finals? If were still in championship then can't see him featuring then as would be fairly rusty. 3 month ban would also apply for club competitions.

keane2097

Gael85 wrote: »

That one incident which was 11 years when match bans didn't apply. Kerry and Mayo players have gotten away with bans along with Dublin over the years

Which ones?

Jayop

Gael85 wrote: »

What dates are semi finals? If were still in championship then can't see him featuring then as would be fairly rusty. 3 month ban would also apply for club competitions.

The leinster champions semi is the second one so you'd imagine the last 2 weeks in August.

Gael85

keane2097 wrote: »

Which ones?

I'm talking more about systematic fouling. Mayo and Sligo played a couple weeks and conceded same number of frees. Mayo only had 2 players booked where Sligo 5 yellow cards. Referee same to apply different rules for both teams. If was same Kerry v Clare in AI Quarter final last year Kerry commited 29 fouls and only 3 players booked. Clare committed 20 fouls and 2 players booked. Dublin get with plenty of this cynicism. I dont think Brian Fenton would have 2 received yellow cards for the Brendan Murphy fouls this evening

keane2097

Gael85 wrote: »

I'm talking more about systematic fouling. Mayo and Sligo played a couple weeks and conceded same number of frees. Mayo only had 2 players booked where Sligo 5 yellow cards. Referee same to apply different rules for both teams. If was same Kerry v Clare in AI Quarter final last year Kerry commited 29 fouls and only 3 players booked. Clare committed 20 fouls and 2 players booked. Dublin get with plenty of this cynicism. I dont think Brian Fenton would have 2 received yellow cards for the Brendan Murphy fouls this evening

You mentioned players players getting away with bans, I was hoping you would tell us who you meant.

Gael85

keane2097 wrote: »

You mentioned players players getting away with bans, I was hoping you would tell us who you meant.

Tagh Kenneally taking out Nicholas Murphy in 2009 final was prime example

Stoner

Hammer Archer wrote:

I don't see any of the Carlow players grabbing him round the neck (though the incident does go behind the Carlow maor foirne). I see Connolly refusing to give the ball back to the Carlow players despite it (correctly according to corny above) being a Carlow sideline.

Well you missed that bit so. Corny posted about it 1 minutes after I did. It was all part of the one incident, no excuse for Connelly, but they were all over him. I think everyone has had enough of it at this stage.

OldMrBrennan83

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glack

Connolly gets plenty of special treatment for sure, but so do the top players for all the top 5/6 teams. The difference with Connolly is oppositions knows that if the wind him up enough they'll get a reaction. I'm not saying it's right but Dublin have plenty of players who dole out this type of treatment to others so it definitely goes both ways. Just with Connolly he struggles to handle it mentally, particularly when he's not playing at his usual standard.

He's a smart guy. He knows you absolutely can not touch an official. You can be sure he's heard the 2 recent cases. He did it anyway and has no one to blame but himself. Whatever the Carlow players did to him beforehand deserves punishment too. And if he had reacted to them rather than the linesman he'd probably be looking at a one match ban rather than a possible 12 weeks.

Hammer Archer

Patww79 wrote: »

Carlow were an absolute disgrace last night. Horrible watch because of them but at least it wasn't too close in the end.

Did you expect them to go man on man or something? Had they kept 15 men on the field, they probably would have kept the margin within 10. If they tried to play attacking football it probably would have been a 30 point loss or so.
Remember, it's Carlow. A team that has won 2 Leinster championship games in 10 years.

bruschi

corny wrote: »

Don't know if its been mentioned but the Carlow kick out strategy was a thing of beauty.

Team talk...... "Everyone stay inside the 45 and you (goalkeeper) kick it to the Dubs massed on the half way line."

Probably not too surprisingly, but it worked a treat against wexford. All their team bar the full forward line and some of the half forward line stayed inside their 45. Wexfords amazing counteraction to it was to follow their men, so Murphy had all the space between both 45s with just him and wexfords 4th choice midfielder being the only 2 players in a huge area of the field. Unbelievable really only for it was so inept to watch from wexford.

DoctaDee

Ah supposed better teams than Carlow have stunk the place out with their defensive systems playing Dublin, I wouldn't be that hard on them

bruschi

DoctaDee wrote: »

Ah supposed better teams than Carlow have stunk the place out with their defensive systems playing Dublin, I wouldn't be that hard on them

They also at many stages against wexford had 14 or 15 inside their own 45 defending, so if they are going to do it against a crap team like wexford, they were certainly going to do it against Dublin.

Hammer Archer

bruschi wrote: »

Probably not too surprisingly, but it worked a treat against wexford. All their team bar the full forward line and some of the half forward line stayed inside their 45. Wexfords amazing counteraction to it was to follow their men, so Murphy had all the space between both 45s with just him and wexfords 4th choice midfielder being the only 2 players in a huge area of the field. Unbelievable really only for it was so inept to watch from wexford.

The joys of Banty as manager.

DoctaDee

bruschi wrote: »

They also at many stages against wexford had 14 or 15 inside their own 45 defending, so if they are going to do it against a crap team like wexford, they were certainly going to do it against Dublin.

I really struggled to conceive how they beat you coming out of the game yesterday - the free taker has a sweet left foot and other than Murphys direct running they really lacked any other threat

tikkahunter

glack wrote: »

Connolly gets plenty of special treatment for sure, but so do the top players for all the top 5/6 teams. The difference with Connolly is oppositions knows that if the wind him up enough they'll get a reaction. I'm not saying it's right but Dublin have plenty of players who dole out this type of treatment to others so it definitely goes both ways. Just with Connolly he struggles to handle it mentally, particularly when he's not playing at his usual standard.

He's a smart guy. He knows you absolutely can not touch an official. You can be sure he's heard the 2 recent cases. He did it anyway and has no one to blame but himself. Whatever the Carlow players did to him beforehand deserves punishment too. And if he had reacted to them rather than the linesman he'd probably be looking at a one match ban rather than a possible 12 weeks.

Yes he gets special treatment to say the least , not excusing what he did but have you been at Dublin matches and Vincents games ? It is non stop the whole game sly kicks , digs and dragging the whole game,he puts up with a lot in fairness . Im all on for letting your man know your there but he gets little or no protection from officials and does show a lot of restraint. You only see the isolated incidents on tv but when you are at the games you see what he puts up with .Putting his hands on an official was stupid but i wouldn't have blamed him if he decked one of the 3 players hanging out of his neck.

bruschi

DoctaDee wrote: »

I really struggled to conceive how they beat you coming out of the game yesterday - the free taker has a sweet left foot and other than Murphys direct running they really lacked any other threat

See hammer archers post above...

nice_guy80

Delighted for Carlow yesterday
can be proud of their efforts.
Division 4 v Division 1
population: 56,000 v 1.34 million
coaching and games development: 3 full time staff vs 50+ staff

mattser

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

You can can call it all you like

Say its anti this and that.

You should not be allowed touch official. 6 months and that might put stop to it.

These officials give their free time. Getting no respect in GAA

Why would they get respect when they didn't even see fit to give him a card for this. Dublin are Ferguson's Man Utd.

PARlance

I'm not a big fan of ultra defensive systems but I was glued to that match last night. The game could have been played a thousand times and no matter what tactics were employed, there would only be one winner.

It was all about keeping it somewhat respectable, to try to frustrate Dublin for a significant period, to leave the field with something to build on. Carlow did that excellently imo.

Not many teams will go 70+ without conceding a goal to Dublin, that's an achievement whoever you are. Their kickout strategy was bizarre for a chunk of the first half but they eventually changed it up a bit. The work rate they showed was immense. While they spent a lot of time in possession passing it around at the back they often ended up with a big man running hard at Dublin. Sean Murphy was the best player on the pitch, looked like Seamus O'Shea on Steriods.

I was joking in the Dublin thread about not givimg one fcuk about their team selection. It honestly doesn't matter who play in the forwards for me, as long as Kilkenny has this "playmaker" (or non-playmaker role to be more exact) then Dublin are giving the chasing pack a big chance.

Carlow got what they wanted from yesterday. I can live with the negativity in their case, it only really gets frustrating for me when you see teams with some chance of winning seemingly not trying to. Dublin will get a kick up the ar*e from it, probably more helpful than giving Carlow a hammering. Everyone else got a bit more hope, a ponderous attack and susceptibility to direct running gives us a chance.

jr86

Carlow an "absolute disgrace" for actually trying to frustrate Dublin and not go all out man-to-man where as Hammer Archer says they probably would have lost by about 30

People really do have strange views

Bonniedog

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Delighted for Carlow yesterday
can be proud of their efforts.
Division 4 v Division 1
population: 56,000 v 1.34 million
coaching and games development: 3 full time staff vs 50+ staff

Carlow has more full time coaches per head of population than Dublin