All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

The White Feather

Clare are 6 points down as I type but I still think they can win this if they get a goal and actually put the ball over the bar instead of hit and hope stuff

redlead

Clare have gotten some extremely soft frees from the ref.

This is there for the taking for Clare. Tipp completely out of it.

Noveight

Please God let us avoid a draw

The White Feather

So close to a goal there! Down to a point now!!

A quick question.What happened to Darach Honan? He used to be under dropping balls for Clare like that a few years ago

mullinr2

Galway definitely have enough in them to beat Tipp. They are the only team left capable of beating them. There's a weakness in that Tipp team

redlead

mullinr2 wrote: »

Galway definitely have enough in them to beat Tipp. They are the only team left capable of beating them.

Apart from cork who have already beaten them .....

Galway haven't beat anyone yet. Being over hyped as usual.

The White Feather

mullinr2 wrote: »

Galway definitely have enough in them to beat Tipp. They are the only team left capable of beating them. There's a weakness in that Tipp team

Surely Cork are capable too having already beaten them?!!

Clare could have won that game had they not had so many wides. 18 in all. That is very poor. Then you add in the bad puckouts as well

Esse85

Tipperary running around like they have weights in their boots.

threeball

Very poor standard of hurling. Tipps defence probably the weakest left in the championship. Always likely to cough up 2 goals plus.
If Clare were even half accurate today tipp were done. Tony Kelly has really gone off the boil.

I could see any of the remaining teams putting tipp to the sword. Someone will hold callanan and then they're done.

Noveight

Standard was poor overall. Our lads were happy to fire big wides from way out instead of delivering ball in on the shaky Tipp full backs. The points given away from bad puckouts were given away too easy. Tipperary the better team but will need big improvements at the back to keep Liam.

Does John Conlon still deserve a place in this Clare team?

threeball

Wouldn't like to see that pitch on a wet day. Like a skating rink today.

The White Feather

threeball wrote: »

Wouldn't like to see that pitch on a wet day. Like a skating rink today.

Probably due to people wearing the wrong studs

Utopia Parkway

Tipp full-back line is a serious vulnerability now. Plenty of goals to be had against them there. Obviously they will usually put up a good score at the other end.

Clare killed by all the terrible wides and their own puck out strategy.

Vinnie222

Standard in Munster this year looks poor .. Galways title 2 lose .

Injuryprone

Pitch surface looked atrocious especially under the south stand. Definitely seemed to affect the players' control on both sides so I'm prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt for the poor standard.

If tipp can sort out the full back line, they're still clear favourites for the all-ireland for me.

Totally Tropical

That Clare team of 2013 must have be the most overrated all Ireland champions ever.They flucked a lucky all Ireland without beating Kilkenny and Tipp and they have done nothing in championship hurling since then.So much for all the talk about Davy Fitz holding them back.Clare's performances since 2013 speaks for itself.

deaddonkey15

Totally Tropical wrote: »

That Clare team of 2013 must have be the most overrated all Ireland champions ever.They flucked a lucky all Ireland without beating Kilkenny and Tipp and they have done nothing in championship hurling since then.So much for all the talk about Davy Fitz holding them back.Clare's performances since 2013 speaks for itself.

They'd have beaten Tipp and Kilkenny in 2013.

Conas

deaddonkey15 wrote: »

They'd have beaten Tipp and Kilkenny in 2013.

No they wouldn't have. After their championship performances in 2014, 15, 16, and now 2017, their All Ireland win in 2013 was without doubt the greatest fluke of all time. Lets put it into perspective also that the Cork team they beat were arguably the poorest Cork sides ever to make it to an All-Ireland final. Davy was scapegoated by the powers that be in Clare. In reality the players are an ordinary bunch, and were in 2013. I even thought after their exist in the 2015 championship, that the Clare team were very overrated.

dastardly00

I was watching the game with a few mates so I was bit distracted, but it seemed to me that Podge Collins was absolutely anonymous today.

Django99

Conas wrote: »

No they wouldn't have. After their championship performances in 2014, 15, 16, and now 2017, their All Ireland win in 2013 was without doubt the greatest fluke of all time. Lets put it into perspective also that the Cork team they beat were arguably the poorest Cork sides ever to make it to an All-Ireland final. Davy was scapegoated by the powers that be in Clare. In reality the players are an ordinary bunch, and were in 2013. I even thought after their exist in the 2015 championship, that the Clare team were very overrated.

The poorest cork team of all time to make a final beat Kilkenny easily in 2013, and Kilkenny beat Tipp.

So by your logic, in 2013, Clare better than Cork who we're better than Kilkenny who were better than Tipp. So following from that, Clare would have also beaten Kilkenny and Tipp.

Tipperary animal lover

dastardly00 wrote: »

I was watching the game with a few mates so I was bit distracted, but it seemed to me that Podge Collins was absolutely anonymous today.

He was thank fook, we got out of jail today, some fantastic points scored all over the pitch but no clear goal chances, bonnar always looking to off load the ball to the runner which there was none today when's he should've been putting them over the bar, tony Kelly two bad wides from easy frees in the second half, our full back line was in disarray, midfield none existent, goal keeper sending long balls down the center ball coming back just as fast.
I think Clare had 19 wides disallowed goal, we've a lot to work on, but at least we're in the draw Monday morning, rant over beer time

Tipperary animal lover

Django99 wrote: »

The poorest cork team of all time to make a final beat Kilkenny easily in 2013, and Kilkenny beat Tipp.

So by your logic, in 2013, Clare better than Cork who we're better than Kilkenny who were better than Tipp. So following from that, Clare would have also beaten Kilkenny and Tipp.

Every game is different.

mickmackey1

Clare were deserving winners in 2013, particularly a forward unit full of match-winners. Very disappointing since then, but they were young and having an AI medal in the back pocket seemed to take the edge off their drive and focus. At the end of the day it's not like Kilkenny where you need more than one medal to make yourself remembered.

Davys Fits

Great stadium in PUC. The pitch was very slippery especially under the south stand and a bit dug up in this area too. Was this due to some rain in that area that didnt get the sunshine to dry it out?

Sad when the goalkeper and his puckuts become the biggest topic in a hurling matah. In the great game of years ago the Keepers job was to deliver the ball as long a s possible into his opponents half. Reason being there is a 50/50 chance of creating a scoring chance but also a much lower chance of creating a scoring chance for the opposition. Clever tactics and the egos creating these tactics on the sideline are ruining the game. Too many clever boys on the sideline. Christ bring me back to hurling on the pitch.
Clares shooting was woefull but Im not going to put the boot into Tony Kelly who was probably the greatest culprit but owes Clare nothing.

Conas

Django99 wrote: »

The poorest cork team of all time to make a final beat Kilkenny easily in 2013, and Kilkenny beat Tipp.

So by your logic, in 2013, Clare better than Cork who we're better than Kilkenny who were better than Tipp. So following from that, Clare would have also beaten Kilkenny and Tipp.

They beat a 14 man Kilkenny, as Shefflin was sent off after 30mins, which you didn't mention.

Clare beat a Cork team that was half as good as their current team. Their forwards looked good, against quiet frankly a dreadful Cork full back line.

Conas

mickmackey1 wrote: »

Clare were deserving winners in 2013, particularly a forward unit full of match-winners. Very disappointing since then, but they were young and having an AI medal in the back pocket seemed to take the edge off their drive and focus. At the end of the day it's not like Kilkenny where you need more than one medal to make yourself remembered.

It didn't take their edge off winning an AI, that to me is just an excuse. They just got lucky in what was a poor hurling championship in 2013. The fact that they couldn't back it up in the next four championship seasons proves that they were, and are overrated.

mountgomery burns

Amazed how people don't criticize Tony Kelly to the same extent as Gleeson for some of the mad wides he hits. Very surprised he was put on frees again as well after the Munster final.

letowski

mountgomery burns wrote: »

Amazed how people don't criticize Tony Kelly to the same extent as Gleeson for some of the mad wides he hits. Very surprised he was put on frees again as well after the Munster final.

He was 100% from placed balls in the Munster final.

You are probably right though that he doesn't get the level of criticism as Gleeson does. But for me both management's are not focusing them properly. Yes, sometimes giving them shoot on site licenses can have great results, but no one player is greater than the some of the parts. As they play around midfield, they need to play roles that brings other players into the game and use the ball the way the team wants to play. Kelly is not being held fully accountable for some of his reckless and to be frank, selfish decisions he is making on the ball.

deaddonkey15

Conas wrote: »

No they wouldn't have. After their championship performances in 2014, 15, 16, and now 2017, their All Ireland win in 2013 was without doubt the greatest fluke of all time. Lets put it into perspective also that the Cork team they beat were arguably the poorest Cork sides ever to make it to an All-Ireland final. Davy was scapegoated by the powers that be in Clare. In reality the players are an ordinary bunch, and were in 2013. I even thought after their exist in the 2015 championship, that the Clare team were very overrated.

Clare were the best team in the country in 2013, they'd have beaten the poor Kilkenny and Tipp sides from that year.

Realt Dearg Sec

The writing was on the wall for the Kilkenny team from very early in 2013, we all knew it was a matter of who would beat us, not if we'd be beaten. There was just a consensus that the one thing that was unacceptable was losing to Tipp in Nowlan Park. Once they got over that anything else would have been a bonus. Cork beat us because we were flat. If they hadn't, Clare, or Dublin, or whoever, would have beaten us. This notion that if we had played Clare we'd have beaten them doesn't hold much credibility for me.