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    #122
    titan18
    Registered Users Posts: 11,935 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    More ****e talk from you so. Have you got anything credible or even mildly related to factual to say on the subject or are you just going to continue positing bull**** in this thread?

    Would you like to address the points or just attack the poster.


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    #123
    Kimbot
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    titan18 wrote: »
    Well, let's say you give pay rises to the lowest tier workers and boost their holidays. Next time, you get the next tier looking for more, and the next tier. It's not a standalone one pay rise and no one else comes looking. They're coming looking cos a higher tier got a payrise, it's a fecking circle, so any rises to one set means others want a similar increase.

    Anyone whose job is based on processing paper work should just feel lucky to have one as technology is replacing you

    Your deflecting yet again.

    If someone in the council gets a pay rise that doesn't mean a clerical officer in social welfare is going to kick up and look for the same.


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    #124
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users Posts: 6,779 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    titan18 wrote: »
    Would you like to address the points or just attack the poster.

    Why would I waste my time arguing with a person who is set on lying and making stupidly false claims? Sure where would that get me in life.

    I will however call your lies bull****.


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    #125
    titan18
    Registered Users Posts: 11,935 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    jonnycivic wrote: »
    Your deflecting yet again.

    If someone in the council gets a pay rise that doesn't mean a clerical officer in social welfare is going to kick up and look for the same.

    Did you read their press article?

    Speaking at the union's annual conference in Killarney, Mr Roynane said lower paid clerical officers can only dream of the €4,500 pay increases given to the Secretary Generals of Government departments last week.

    That's exactly what they're doing


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    #126
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users Posts: 6,779 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    titan18 wrote: »
    Development of government policy, no, not yet.

    Processing of applications, yes. Build rules into automation so borderline cases are still human dealt but straight forward ones are automated. It's done in insurance claims so can easily be done in filing for passports.

    The insurance sector is a joke in this country, and your going to try to use that as an example of automation and best practise?

    Are you practising new material for a comedy gig?


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    #127
    Donal55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donal55


    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    Why would I waste my time arguing with a person who is set on lying and making stupidly false claims? Sure where would that get me in life.

    I will however call your lies bull****.

    What's wrong is that there are a number of people on here who don't know the difference between the CPSU, the Public sector and semi states and yet they claim to know everything.


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    #128
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users Posts: 6,779 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    titan18 wrote: »
    Did you read their press article?

    Speaking at the union's annual conference in Killarney, Mr Roynane said lower paid clerical officers can only dream of the €4,500 pay increases given to the Secretary Generals of Government departments last week.

    That's exactly what they're doing
    You really haven't a clue what you are talking about.

    Sec gens as they known are the top level positions within the civil service. They are the civil service heads of government departments and offices and as such work in the same sectors as clerical and service officers who make up the bulk of the cpsu membership.

    This is not staff looking at other sectors and asking for pay increases but the lowest ranks of the civil service seeing top level civil servants get increases.


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    #129
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    titan18 wrote: »
    Well, let's say you give pay rises to the lowest tier workers and boost their holidays. Next time, you get the next tier looking for more, and the next tier. It's not a standalone one pay rise and no one else comes looking. They're coming looking cos a higher tier got a payrise, it's a fecking circle, so any rises to one set means others want a similar increase.

    Anyone whose job is based on processing paper work should just feel lucky to have one as technology is replacing you

    You are being deliberately obtuse. Read the question again. What had THAT post to do with the CO in the civil service?

    You don't answer what is asked because you can't. Your comments were totally irrelevant to the discussion.


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    #130
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    titan18 wrote: »
    1. HSE, city and county councils, guards, Ervia

    2. As above

    3. Anyone getting overtime for working weekends, should be built into rostered hours

    4. Weekends

    5. Who the feck supplies evidence for being out in PS? My mom works in a school and it's like after 3 continuous days out you have to.

    Sweet Lord! Yet again... where does this connect with clerical officers in the civil service? You really haven't a clue what you're talking about.


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    #131
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    titan18 wrote: »
    Development of government policy, no, not yet.

    Processing of applications, yes. Build rules into automation so borderline cases are still human dealt but straight forward ones are automated. It's done in insurance claims so can easily be done in filing for passports.

    There's more to the CS than passports!


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    #132
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users Posts: 15,908 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    A Dublin Weighting will apply soon, when we get all the London City folk over here who know all about that post Brexit.

    And who could blame them for wanting it really.

    They are not going to be working outside Dublin anywhere are they.


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    #133
    Barry Badrinath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭Barry Badrinath


    titan18 wrote: »
    1. HSE, city and county councils, guards, Ervia

    2. As above

    3. Anyone getting overtime for working weekends, should be built into rostered hours

    4. Weekends

    5. Who the feck supplies evidence for being out in PS? My mom works in a school and it's like after 3 continuous days out you have to.

    1. They are not examples of inefficiencies, you just listed organisations. You dont seem able to fully comprehend the question.

    2. Again, no example.

    3. If you add in overtime to core pay...that means everyone gets it. However, you dont seem to.

    4. "Weekends" is not an answer. What are the hours?

    5. If I take a sick day at home, I need a dr cert.

    You are too young to know fcuk all.


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    #134
    PowerToWait
    Registered Users Posts: 1,775 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    titan18 wrote: »
    OK then. Why do you see several council workers standing around one pothole/manhole cover?

    This is just the oldest most shyte cliché out there. For what it's worth though there's plenty of the same carry on goes on in the private sector. Replace 'hole' with 'coffee machine' or 'photocopier'

    Why does it take so long to get anything done in any department public have to deal with (hospital waiting lists, passports, nct, driving licenses)?

    Problems in the Health Service are completely out of the hands of the workers on the frontline eg nurses, doctors, other health staff. The dogs know this.

    You can get your passport turned around in 14 days. NCT is a private company but nonetheless extremely efficient, driving license is while you wait, extremely efficient, you've not mentioned it, possibly because you don't pay tax, but the revenue is one of the sleekest and most efficient services I've ever dealt with.





    Why is there a load of waste in places like HSE, gardai, bus eireann, Irish water?

    Could you be even slightly more exact than 'a load of waste'


    Why is their so much overtime for things like opening parks at a weekend? Should that not be rostered work and gave different shift schedules for employees?

    Getting a bit extra for doing weekends and unsociable hours is not really unheard of in most jobs be the public or private.


    Yep.


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    #135
    titan18
    Registered Users Posts: 11,935 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Senor Fancy Pants wrote:
    You are too young to know fcuk all.


    I'm 27, so no, I'm not


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    #136
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    titan18 wrote: »
    I'm 27, so no, I'm not

    Oh yes you obviously are, based on the stance you took.

    Any wonder the insurance industry in this country is in the state it is!


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    #137
    Esel
    Registered Users Posts: 22,035 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    The higher tier cos the lower tier cos the highest tier cos the lowest tier cos my uncle told me.

    Sweet Jebus.

    Not your ornery onager



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    #138
    titan18
    Registered Users Posts: 11,935 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    No wonder the public sector is in a state when yourself and the others above work in them

    Just wait til all your jobs get automated


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    #139
    4ensic15
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,691 ✭✭✭4ensic15


    Calculon1982 wrote: »
    I am a public servant in my mid 30s earning under 30k a year in Dublin. I have multiple qualifications and work hard. My role requires detailed knowledge of planning legislation, stakeholder management etc. I have been there for 8 years. I commute 3 hours a day as I can't afford to live with my wife in Dublin on that salary.

    What part of me is pampered?
    Why not get a real job?


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    #140
    Donal55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donal55


    titan18 wrote: »
    No wonder the public sector is in a state when yourself and the others above work in them

    Just wait til all your jobs get automated

    Aah its great. Pensions, flexi, overtime, great holidays, sick pay, payrises, promotions, increments, free car parking,
    the list goes on and on.
    Only in the PS.
    And all thanks to the Unions!


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    #141
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    titan18 wrote: »
    No wonder the public sector is in a state when yourself and the others above work in them

    Just wait til all your jobs get automated

    I have never worked in the Public Service - although we were discussing the Civil Service but the difference eludes you - and I still can't make sense of why you are detouring to irrelevant and hackneyed clichés.


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    #142
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Donal55 wrote: »
    Aah its great. Pensions, flexi, overtime, great holidays, sick pay, payrises, promotions, increments, free car parking,
    the list goes on and on.
    Only in the PS.
    And all thanks to the Unions!

    I assume that is sarcasm because as a private sector worker I had a brilliant pension,(enjoying it now), flexitime, minimum 29 days leave by the time I retired, sick pay for up to six months, annual pay rises, a bucket load of promotions, a free parking spot, and a great salary to boot. So certainly in the PS, if P stands for Private too.


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    #143
    Donal55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donal55


    Elisha Sharp Recorder wrote: »
    I assume that is sarcasm because as a private sector worker I had a brilliant pension,(enjoying it now), flexitime, minimum 29 days leave by the time I retired, sick pay for up to six months, annual pay rises, a bucket load of promotions, a free parking spot, and a great salary to boot. So certainly in the PS, if P stands for Private too.
    Yep.


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    #144
    noodler
    Registered Users Posts: 26,275 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    titan18 wrote: »
    Did you read their press article?

    Speaking at the union's annual conference in Killarney, Mr Roynane said lower paid clerical officers can only dream of the €4,500 pay increases given to the Secretary Generals of Government departments last week.

    That's exactly what they're doing

    The problem with that is the rise you talk about, similar to the one TDs are getting, is due to the fact they (all those on 65k+) took a third pay cut whilst those on less than 65k took two.

    This "rise" is a reversal of this third pay cut under Haddington Road which was only every supposed to be temporary.

    Teachers are getting restoration of S&S this year but their PR has been stronger with nobody claiming this as a pay rise.


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    #145
    titan18
    Registered Users Posts: 11,935 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Elisha Sharp Recorder wrote: »
    I have never worked in the Public Service - although we were discussing the Civil Service but the difference eludes you - and I still can't make sense of why you are detouring to irrelevant and hackneyed clichés.

    Well,I said public sector, not service.

    Overall, if you can prove you deserve a payrise, you deserve one, no matter what your role. If you can't and your main argument is they got one or we want what we earned before, you shouldn't get one imo.


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    #146
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    titan18 wrote: »
    Well,I said public sector, not service.
    .

    You still don't get the difference nor what we were actually discussing, do you? :rolleyes:


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    #147
    relax carry on
    Registered Users Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭relax carry on


    For those still struggling with the the differences between the civil service and the public sector in general the below links may explain a bit.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_service_of_the_Republic_of_Ireland

    https://www.publicjobs.ie/publicjobs/who/civil-local/civil.htm

    https://gradireland.com/career-sectors/public-sector-and-civil-service/public-sector-and-civil-service-career-faqs


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    #148
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    relax carry on wrote: »
    For those still struggling with the the differences between the civil service and the public sector in general the below links may explain a bit.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_service_of_the_Republic_of_Ireland

    https://www.publicjobs.ie/publicjobs/who/civil-local/civil.htm

    https://gradireland.com/career-sectors/public-sector-and-civil-service/public-sector-and-civil-service-career-faqs

    Let's not get too technical now or well loose titan completely ;)


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    #149
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    relax carry on wrote: »
    For those still struggling with the the differences between the civil service and the public sector in general the below links may explain a bit.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_service_of_the_Republic_of_Ireland

    https://www.publicjobs.ie/publicjobs/who/civil-local/civil.htm

    https://gradireland.com/career-sectors/public-sector-and-civil-service/public-sector-and-civil-service-career-faqs

    Can you give a version that can be scanned and read robotically for him?


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    #150
    titan18
    Registered Users Posts: 11,935 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    noodler wrote: »
    The problem with that is the rise you talk about, similar to the one TDs are getting, is due to the fact they (all those on 65k+) took a third pay cut whilst those on less than 65k took two.

    This "rise" is a reversal of this third pay cut under Haddington Road which was only every supposed to be temporary.

    Teachers are getting restoration of S&S this year but their PR has been stronger with nobody claiming this as a pay rise.
    relax carry on wrote: »
    For those still struggling with the the differences between the civil service and the public sector in general the below links may explain a bit.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_service_of_the_Republic_of_Ireland

    https://www.publicjobs.ie/publicjobs/who/civil-local/civil.htm

    https://gradireland.com/career-sectors/public-sector-and-civil-service/public-sector-and-civil-service-career-faqs

    If you don't want to read it all, pasted the part you may need

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_service
    A civil servant or public servant is a person so employed in the public sector employed for a government department or agency.

    Or in my my own view, if you want to disagree, civil service is one part of the public sector, public service is another part of public sector, but they're both still public sector as paid out of taxpayer funds.


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    #151
    boobycharlton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 262 ✭✭boobycharlton


    titan18 wrote: »
    No wonder the public sector is in a state when yourself and the others above work in them

    Just wait til all your jobs get automated

    Good luck getting automated technology to decipher judges and Gardai scribbles on charge sheets and summonses, incomprehensible passport and SW applications, and dealing with irate and upset members of the public at public counters for a start. You think the system is slow now!


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