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    #92
    titan18
    Registered Users Posts: 11,935 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Senor Fancy Pants wrote:
    You can easily report inefficiencies in any semi state or state department if you believe they exist. If a problem is found, it should be dealt with otherwise nothing will change.


    Really, cos they seem to strike when someone attempts to deal with inefficiencies, as it usually results in changes to working hours or redundancies


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    #93
    Donal55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donal55


    titan18 wrote: »
    Really, cos they seem to strike when someone attempts to deal with inefficiencies, as it usually results in changes to working hours or redundancies


    Very very few days lost in the PS/CS through strikes.


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    #94
    Barry Badrinath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭Barry Badrinath


    titan18 wrote: »
    Really, cos they seem to strike when someone attempts to deal with inefficiencies, as it usually results in changes to working hours or redundancies

    Again with your deflection.

    If you cant answer the simple questions I have asked you it discredits your argument.

    Could it be that you have no "real" operational knowledge of the PS/CS bar when you see them standing up for themselves and just hop on the "giving out wagon" when appropriate?


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    #95
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    titan18 wrote: »
    Personally and anecdotally, it's cos we're too intelligent to sit in a dead end job doing nothing half the week when there are jobs available where we can actually use some intelligence.

    You've obviously never worked in the CS!!
    I'm on the go all day, every day.
    As for these dead end jobs.....The country wouldn't function without Civil Servants doing their jobs.
    Try getting a passport to enable you to spend all your private sector wages on a holiday without a CS processing it for you!


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    #96
    doc22
    Registered Users Posts: 861 ✭✭✭doc22


    Isabela Loud Twin wrote: »
    You've obviously never worked in the CS!!
    I'm on the go all day, every day.
    As for these dead end jobs.....The country wouldn't function without Civil Servants doing their jobs.
    Try getting a passport to enable you to spend all your private sector wages on a holiday without a CS processing it for you!

    You seem to post on boards quiet a bit during working hours :pac:


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    #97
    uck51js9zml2yt
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    doc22 wrote: »
    You seem to post on boards quiet a bit during working hours :pac:

    Pot, kettle and black spring to mind :D


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    #98
    diomed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    Donal55 wrote: »
    Very very few days lost in the PS/CS through strikes.
    Of course.

    RTE Friday, 3 Mar 2017
    "A total of 71,647 days were lost to industrial disputes last year, according to new figures from the Central Statistics Office.
    This compares with 32,964 days lost in 2015, the CSO said.

    Two disputes in the education sector accounted for 76.2% of the days lost last year - 54,562 of the 71,647 total days lost.

    The CSO noted a total of ten industrial disputes in 2016 compared with nine in 2015.
    These ten disputes involved 29,372 workers and ten firms, whereas 37,760 workers and nine firms were involved in industrial disputes in 2015.
    Last year saw strikes at secondary schools nationwide, Dublin Bus, Dublin's Luas system and Waterford airport.

    Let's keep the debate fact free, or failing that, let's invent a few.


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    #99
    titan18
    Registered Users Posts: 11,935 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »
    Again with your deflection.

    If you cant answer the simple questions I have asked you it discredits your argument.

    Could it be that you have no "real" operational knowledge of the PS/CS bar when you see them standing up for themselves and just hop on the "giving out wagon" when appropriate?

    Well, I've never worked in it, but from what I see and hear, it's extremely inefficient, bloated and people earning money they shouldn't be to do their jobs. Examples of this are Bus Eireann being over rostered for the services they provide, overtime being provided for opening and closing parks at weekend (my uncle does this), (again my uncle) taking sick leave days for holidays.

    Are any of those enough for you?


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    #100
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users Posts: 6,779 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    titan18 wrote: »
    Well, I've never worked in it, but from what I see and hear, it's extremely inefficient, bloated and people earning money they shouldn't be to do their jobs. Examples of this are Bus Eireann being over rostered for the services they provide, overtime being provided for opening and closing parks at weekend (my uncle does this), (again my uncle) taking sick leave days for holidays.

    Are any of those enough for you?
    Bull****


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    #101
    titan18
    Registered Users Posts: 11,935 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Isabela Loud Twin wrote: »
    You've obviously never worked in the CS!!
    I'm on the go all day, every day.
    As for these dead end jobs.....The country wouldn't function without Civil Servants doing their jobs.
    Try getting a passport to enable you to spend all your private sector wages on a holiday without a CS processing it for you!

    Yes, thankfully I haven't, and course needs to be processed, but ideally, it should be automated processing, and there should be feck all manual processing. Would improve turnaround times and lower costs.

    Company I work for process insurance claims automatically using OCR technology. Days of rows of people sitting there going through forms is gone.


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    #102
    titan18
    Registered Users Posts: 11,935 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    Bull****

    What is?


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    #103
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    diomed wrote: »
    Of course.

    RTE Friday, 3 Mar 2017
    "A total of 71,647 days were lost to industrial disputes last year, according to new figures from the Central Statistics Office.
    This compares with 32,964 days lost in 2015, the CSO said.

    Two disputes in the education sector accounted for 76.2% of the days lost last year - 54,562 of the 71,647 total days lost.

    The CSO noted a total of ten industrial disputes in 2016 compared with nine in 2015.
    These ten disputes involved 29,372 workers and ten firms, whereas 37,760 workers and nine firms were involved in industrial disputes in 2015.
    Last year saw strikes at secondary schools nationwide, Dublin Bus, Dublin's Luas system and Waterford airport.

    Let's keep the debate fact free, or failing that, let's invent a few.
    So we are now dragging the Secondary school teachers in to a discussion on clerical officer pay in the civil service. Time to leave.


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    #104
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users Posts: 6,779 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    titan18 wrote: »
    What is?

    The entirety of your post, is made up bull****.


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    #105
    diomed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    Elisha Sharp Recorder wrote: »
    Some are now dragging the Secondary school teachers in to a discussion on clerical officer pay in the civil service.
    The thread title is mentions Civil and Public Service Union.
    Sorry for using facts.


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    #106
    [Deleted User]
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    diomed wrote: »
    Of course.

    RTE Friday, 3 Mar 2017
    "A total of 71,647 days were lost to industrial disputes last year, according to new figures from the Central Statistics Office.
    This compares with 32,964 days lost in 2015, the CSO said.

    Two disputes in the education sector accounted for 76.2% of the days lost last year - 54,562 of the 71,647 total days lost.

    The CSO noted a total of ten industrial disputes in 2016 compared with nine in 2015.
    These ten disputes involved 29,372 workers and ten firms, whereas 37,760 workers and nine firms were involved in industrial disputes in 2015.
    Last year saw strikes at secondary schools nationwide, Dublin Bus, Dublin's Luas system and Waterford airport.

    Let's keep the debate fact free, or failing that, let's invent a few.

    Wait a sec now

    These figures you're quoting are nothing to do with what was argued.

    I think the figure you might be looking for is

    Civil service days lost to strike/civil service days worked

    The figures you've referenced make zero sense to bring in at all....


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    #107
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    diomed wrote: »
    The thread title is mentions Civil and Public Service Union.
    Sorry for using facts.
    t
    You have to be joking.

    Where is the ASTI in that?. Stick to the facts.


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    #108
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users Posts: 6,779 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    diomed wrote: »
    The thread title is mentions Civil and Public Service Union.
    Sorry for using facts.
    You don't even know what you are taking about, gas stuff altogether. cpsu.ie
    The cpsu or civil and public service union is the name of a particular union, which represents a particular group of staff non of which are teachers.


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    #109
    titan18
    Registered Users Posts: 11,935 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    The entirety of your post, is made up bull****.

    Well, it's not.

    Both things said about uncle are true. Overtime is offered for weekend work in Cork City Council (opening and closing of parks is the example), and as for Bus Eireann's inefficiencies in roster,
    Bus Eireann said in a full costed and written report that there are 1,378 drivers who work overtime each day which equals the cost of 1,636 drivers. It said if the company was to maximise driver efficiency, there would be a requirement for 986 full-time drivers. This alone is a shocking statistic and must be addressed.

    So,400 drivers to go and less overtime cost if it was rostered efficiently


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    #110
    Donal55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donal55


    diomed wrote: »
    Of course.

    RTE Friday, 3 Mar 2017
    "A total of 71,647 days were lost to industrial disputes last year, according to new figures from the Central Statistics Office.
    This compares with 32,964 days lost in 2015, the CSO said.

    Two disputes in the education sector accounted for 76.2% of the days lost last year - 54,562 of the 71,647 total days lost.

    The CSO noted a total of ten industrial disputes in 2016 compared with nine in 2015.
    These ten disputes involved 29,372 workers and ten firms, whereas 37,760 workers and nine firms were involved in industrial disputes in 2015.
    Last year saw strikes at secondary schools nationwide, Dublin Bus, Dublin's Luas system and Waterford airport.

    Let's keep the debate fact free, or failing that, let's invent a few.

    Teachers aint represented by CPSU.
    Lets stick to the facts, no point in inventing them.


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    #111
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    titan18 wrote: »
    Well, it's not.

    Both things said about uncle are true. Overtime is offered for weekend work in Cork City Council (opening and closing of parks is the example), and as for Bus Eireann's inefficiencies in roster,



    So,400 drivers to go and less overtime cost if it was rostered efficiently

    And yet again, what has this to do with clerical officer grades in the CIVIL SERVICE?


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    #112
    gordongekko
    Registered Users Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭gordongekko


    Parchment wrote: »
    Well if we did - they must have forgotten to put it in my wages.

    It was the start of pay restoration in line with the LR Agreement, not a pay rise


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    #113
    red ears
    Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭red ears


    Just give the poor creaturs their pay rises and stop being so miserable.


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    #114
    titan18
    Registered Users Posts: 11,935 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Elisha Sharp Recorder wrote: »
    And yet again, what has this to do with clerical officer grades in the CIVIL SERVICE?

    Well, let's say you give pay rises to the lowest tier workers and boost their holidays. Next time, you get the next tier looking for more, and the next tier. It's not a standalone one pay rise and no one else comes looking. They're coming looking cos a higher tier got a payrise, it's a fecking circle, so any rises to one set means others want a similar increase.

    Anyone whose job is based on processing paper work should just feel lucky to have one as technology is replacing you


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    #115
    Barry Badrinath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭Barry Badrinath


    titan18 wrote: »
    Well, I've never worked in it, but from what I see and hear, it's extremely inefficient, bloated and people earning money they shouldn't be to do their jobs. Examples of this are Bus Eireann being over rostered for the services they provide, overtime being provided for opening and closing parks at weekend (my uncle does this), (again my uncle) taking sick leave days for holidays.

    Are any of those enough for you?

    Not really tbh. You know one guy, one.

    What are all the inefficiencies you have seen?

    Where is the bloating of staff?

    What money is being earned that "shouldnt" be?

    Overtime for opening and closing parks. What times are these?

    Your uncle taking sick days instead of annual leave is wrong but not unique to the PS. Does he not have to supply evidence once he goes back in? Why dont you report him?


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    #116
    Donal55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donal55


    red ears wrote: »
    Just give the poor creaturs their pay rises and stop being so miserable.
    No one is asking for them as they are ALREADY getting them. Approx €20 quid a week since April 1.


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    #117
    [Deleted User]
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    titan18 wrote: »
    Well, let's say you give pay rises to the lowest tier workers and boost their holidays. Next time, you get the next tier looking for more, and the next tier. It's not a standalone one pay rise and no one else comes looking. They're coming looking cos a higher tier got a payrise, it's a fecking circle, so any rises to one set means others want a similar increase.

    Oh

    My

    God


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    #118
    uck51js9zml2yt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    titan18 wrote: »
    Yes, thankfully I haven't, and course needs to be processed, but ideally, it should be automated processing, and there should be feck all manual processing. Would improve turnaround times and lower costs.

    Company I work for process insurance claims automatically using OCR technology. Days of rows of people sitting there going through forms is gone.

    I suppose we should also automate the development of government policy, processing of all applications ( we don't need human intervention in borderline cases) and investigations into abuse cases etc!
    Sure let's just get in robots to do all the jobs of the civil service.


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    #119
    titan18
    Registered Users Posts: 11,935 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »
    Not really tbh. You know one guy, one.

    What are all the inefficiencies you have seen?

    Where is the bloating of staff?

    What money is being earned that "shouldnt" be?

    Overtime for opening and closing parks. What times are these?

    Your uncle taking sick days instead of annual leave is wrong but not unique to the PS. Does he not have to supply evidence once he goes back in? Why dont you report him?

    1. HSE, city and county councils, guards, Ervia

    2. As above

    3. Anyone getting overtime for working weekends, should be built into rostered hours

    4. Weekends

    5. Who the feck supplies evidence for being out in PS? My mom works in a school and it's like after 3 continuous days out you have to.


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    #120
    RobbieTheRobber
    Registered Users Posts: 6,779 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    titan18 wrote: »
    Well, let's say you give pay rises to the lowest tier workers and boost their holidays. Next time, you get the next tier looking for more, and the next tier. It's not a standalone one pay rise and no one else comes looking. They're coming looking cos a higher tier got a payrise, it's a fecking circle, so any rises to one set means others want a similar increase.

    Anyone whose job is based on processing paper work should just feel lucky to have one as technology is replacing you

    More ****e talk from you so. Have you got anything credible or even mildly related to factual to say on the subject or are you just going to continue positing bull**** in this thread?


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    #121
    titan18
    Registered Users Posts: 11,935 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Isabela Loud Twin wrote: »
    I suppose we should also automate the development of government policy, processing of all applications ( we don't need human intervention in borderline cases) and investigations into abuse cases etc!
    Sure let's just get in robots to do all the jobs of the civil service.

    Development of government policy, no, not yet.

    Processing of applications, yes. Build rules into automation so borderline cases are still human dealt but straight forward ones are automated. It's done in insurance claims so can easily be done in filing for passports.


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