Waterford GAA Discussion Thread - **MOD NOTE POST #1**

mountgomery burns

PTH2009 wrote: »

http://www.punditarena.com/gaa/elarkin/eoin-larkin-waterford-slip/

So everyone needs to push on and stopping losing matches. Great insight.

enoughtaken

Half Time Clare 0-9 Waterford 0-7 Clare midfielder Keith White with four points from play the home side have hit nine wides

Taken from Tomas mac on twitter

PTH2009

Clare 0-18- Wat 0-7 20mins 2nd half

PTH2009

bad to worse
Cla 1-21- Wat 0-8 -26 mins 2nd half

We will play Cork in the first playoff next weekend, a loss in that will give us one final chance against the loser of tonights QF between Tipp and Limerick to get to a munster semi final

Playoff 1- vs Cork- Pairc Ui Rinn (25th April/May 3rd)
Playoff 2- vs Limerick or Tipp- (May 3rd/May 10th)

PTH2009

Full Time Clare 1-24 Waterford 0-9 Clare also had 17 wides Waterford went 34 mins without a score

Tomas McCarthy twitter

Deisegodeo

Minors took a trimming in the second half, finished 1-24 to 0-9. I know expectations werent high for this group but that level of defeat is concerning. Only 2 points scored in the second half. Disappointing to see

carter10

Really poor performance. Serious questions have to be asked when a team goes 34 mins without a score

PaddyJoeOil

Politics in both the u17 football lastnight and hurlers tonight

robopaddy2

Holy crap that is a disaster. Scoreline speaks for itself we are obviously way off the pace at this level. Worrying times ahead.

enoughtaken

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Holy crap that is a disaster. Scoreline speaks for itself we are obviously way off the pace at this level. Worrying times ahead.

Wouldn't panic. Minor can be unpredictable at times. Hopefully we'll bounce back next week. As a few have alluded to here maybe a few guys were overlooked or not considered. I don't know. not up to date on the underage in the DEISE at present.

robopaddy2

enoughtaken wrote: »

Wouldn't panic. Minor can be unpredictable at times. Hopefully we'll bounce back next week. As a few have alluded to here maybe a few guys were overlooked or not considered. I don't know. not up to date on the underage in the DEISE at present.

I have been monitoring the development squads over the past few years and I can tell you this has been coming. Our u17s last year were beaten by the likes of Offaly and Laois. Since the 'golden group' (current/last year u21s) have passed through we have taken our eye off the ball at juvenile level. It coincides with the county board being broke around the time just after Davy Fitz left as senior manage and these are the age-group that missed out on the proper funding and coaching that the boys a couple years ahead of them were given. Yes there were a few lads missing tonight but nothing to justify this type of beating. Last years minors although we did beat eventual AI champions Tipp our first touch and amount of unforced errors was as poor as I'd seen. It showed that the ability was there but the work wasn't done with them. I wasn't at the game tonight maybe someone who was can shed some light, Ive a feeling it is much of the same.

Waternut

That was some trimming we took and considering we had 4 or 5 lads who started on last years team it really shouldn't be happening. I hope it's not back to the bad old days where our underage teams took regular beltings.

Hslaw

Is it true that John o shea is the current manager of the minor team

The blue blaa

Hslaw wrote: »

Is it true that John o shea is the current manager of the minor team

Selector.

Cake Man

robopaddy2 wrote: »

I have been monitoring the development squads over the past few years and I can tell you this has been coming. Our u17s last year were beaten by the likes of Offaly and Laois. Since the 'golden group' (current/last year u21s) have passed through we have taken our eye off the ball at juvenile level. It coincides with the county board being broke around the time just after Davy Fitz left as senior manage and these are the age-group that missed out on the proper funding and coaching that the boys a couple years ahead of them were given. Yes there were a few lads missing tonight but nothing to justify this type of beating. Last years minors although we did beat eventual AI champions Tipp our first touch and amount of unforced errors was as poor as I'd seen. It showed that the ability was there but the work wasn't done with them. I wasn't at the game tonight maybe someone who was can shed some light, Ive a feeling it is much of the same.

Yeah have to agree with this, I keep an eye on our underage sides each year from Tony Forristal/Sonny Walsh up to U21 and the last 2-3 years at the grades from U14-U17 we haven't been too spectacular. Likewise, our Harty cup teams are only doing ok but not good enough to go all the way.
Not going to be overly concerned as the priority of these grades are to identify and develop a few lads capable of making the step up to senior but I suppose it can't be great for their development if they're getting batterings from other counties.

robopaddy2

Cake Man wrote: »

Yeah have to agree with this, I keep an eye on our underage sides each year from Tony Forristal/Sonny Walsh up to U21 and the last 2-3 years at the grades from U14-U17 we haven't been too spectacular. Likewise, our Harty cup teams are only doing ok but not good enough to go all the way.
Not going to be overly concerned as the priority of these grades are to identify and develop a few lads capable of making the step up to senior but I suppose it can't be great for their development if they're getting batterings from other counties.

We are easily the poorest side in Munster this year. Next week against Cork will be about playing for pride and damaged limitations I feel. It is actually the last year of the minor grade so will be a lot more difficult to gauge our underage progress going forward. u17 level means there will be a lot of 15/16 year olds playing. The hard work needs to be done at 10/u12 level like it was when the likes of Patrick Curran and Austin Gleeson were that age. It is too late at minor level to try and make hurlers out of lads.

Also - we have to get a Dungarvan team back in the Harty Cup. Its pretty much a third of the counties hurlers missing out on this exposure. We are way behind the other counties in terms of players getting exposure to a high quality of hurling and are much more prepared for the intensity of intercounty hurling.

sanfran88

enoughtaken wrote: »

Wouldn't panic. Minor can be unpredictable at times. Hopefully we'll bounce back next week. As a few have alluded to here maybe a few guys were overlooked or not considered. I don't know. not up to date on the underage in the DEISE at present.

Was at the game, we should have lost by a lot more except for all the wides Clare had, especially in the first half. Clare saw our weaknesses and ran through the mids and half backs for the 2nd half. Oddly our management team didnt see this. When they eventually brought on subs they replaced all forwards when it was glaringly obvious that our problem was in defence. Hopefully they have learned from this beating and our strongest players will be starting against Cork and the lads get a positive result after all the work they have put in over the years.

Giveitfong

There was something surreal about the first 23 minutes of last Sunday's game between Waterford and Galway. In that period, Waterford couldn't miss and Galway couldn't score. After 23 minutes, Waterford had shot eleven points and just one wide (not counting a Maurice Shanahan pass that went over the end line); Galway had shot just two points and seven wides and had missed a penalty. Joe Canning's poor effort from the penalty was just one of numerous errors (misplaced passes, dropped balls, etc.) which beset Galway in this period. There was no intensity in their play - as Eddie Brennan observed on RTE, it was like watching a challenge game. The resultant looseness suited small nippy forwards Tommy Ryan and Steven Roche, who went to town.

The TG4 commentator was wondering whether Galway were having problems coming to grips with a Division 1A team, which was ridiculous given that Waterford had a shadow team out, that Division 1B teams won the last two leagues, and that three of the quarter finals were won by 1B teams. My own view is that, facing a seriously weakened team with six league debutants and only five certain championship starters, and given Derek McGrath's clearly-expressed view that he couldn't be arsed about winning the game, Galway probably thought that all they had to do was turn up and go through the motions. Indeed, for the first 23 minutes they weren't even doing that. Ciaran Murphy wrote in the Irish Times about the psychology of facing weakened teams which he said was a situation GAA teams rarely have to grapple with.

In the event, Galway's 24th minute goal gave them, and the large attendance, the fillip they needed to get them back on track. From there to half time they hit seven points and no wides to get them right back in the game.

It was a bad goal to give away. It was bad enough to leave Conor Cooney totally unmarked, but this is what happens when two regular full backs are missing and you have only two specialist full backs in the team. What was worse, in my view, was Iggy Regan's decision to leave his goal to come out to challenge Cooney. If Regan had stayed put, there is no way Cooney would have scored from where he got the ball. He would have had to come across goal to get a better angle, in which case he would had to face Shane Fives and possibly Conor Gleeson who were both making tracks in his direction. He did well to hit the target from where he was but it was still an unnecessary concession.

At half time I expected Galway to win comfortably. They were beginning to motor and they would have the wind at their back in the second half. This was a team which should have beaten Tipperary in last year's All-Ireland semi-final and they were at full strength. They were experienced, battle-hardened and had a well-developed way of playing. Waterford, by contrast, were inexperienced, lacking in match fitness and unused to playing together as a team.

For the second year in a row, Derek McGrath had thrown a sop to the fringe players who make up the numbers at training by throwing a bunch of them together into a game against Galway which was of little importance (at least from McGrath's point of view). And for the second year in a row, these fringe players showed that they could hurl, confirming my view of the unprecedented level of talent available at senior level in Waterford. However, the lack of an orderly rotation policy meant that they hadn't been given the opportunity to show what they could do, and were sure to run out of steam faced with an intense Galway effort in the second half.

As it happened, the early part of the second half was a reprise of the first half, with Galway hitting three wides in a row while Waterford scored two points before Tom Devine's two-goal burst. Both of these came from the type of incoming ball that Waterford full forwards rarely get under McGrath's regime, nicely weighted and coming in at chest height which gives the forward all the advantages. In both cases the supplier (Mark O'Brien for the first goal and Stephen Bennett for the second) looked up before hitting the ball in. The other marvellous fact was that there was actually somebody in there to hit the ball to.

However, from there on in, Galway just blew Waterford away, led by David Burke, who had a colossal second half in midfield. In the last 25 minutes they scored 1-11 to Waterford's single point. They had two main attacking ploys. One was to simply pass the ball to Joe Canning, who usually was in a good position for an offload from the player in possession, and who could score from anywhere. The other was to play the ball into space for Conor Whelan to run on to. Whelan did a lot of damage with nine second half possessions. Waterford, of course, rarely play this kind of ball into the forwards, preferring instead to rain high balls down on top of whoever happens to be up front.

I cannot understand Derek McGrath's ploy of constantly rotating forwards around the place, which means that outfield players never know who is where up front (if anyone). Even with Waterford playing with the strong wind, DJ Foran spent a lot of the first half in his own half of the field. Incidentally, while a poster on here has suggested that Foran was carrying an injury, I could see no evidence of this from looking at the video. Foran's failure to make an appearance for Waterford up to now indicates to me that McGrath doesn't rate him, and his premature substitution on Sunday (despite the fact that he was doing well) tends to bear this out.

McGrath's attitude to this game was probably best reflected in his deploying the very inexperienced Seamus Keating to mark the vastly experienced Joe Canning. That said, Keating's replacement by Noel Connors did not improve matters. During the 18 minutes he was on the pitch, Connors's only possession came from a short puckout; during the same period Joe Canning got five possessions.

The introduction of Brick Walsh, Pauric Mahony and Brian O'Halloran was almost totally ineffective. Between them, these three players spent 44 minutes on the pitch and got a total of three possessions (with O'Halloran getting none). Mahony got one possession but his attempted hand pass was intercepted. The same thing happened with one of Brick's two possession, while for the other he was bottled up and dispossessed.

Waterford might have made a better fist of defending their big lead if they had a sensible puckout strategy. Instead, Iggy Regan persisted in hitting long puckouts into the wind which, in most cases, came straight back. Waterford must be unique among the top hurling counties in having no puckout strategy. Regan, of course, also was at fault for Galway's second goal. He should have caught the ball coming into him, and even if he had to bat it, he should have done so towards the wing instead of straight out in front of goal where he was easily muscled off the ball.

In the end, not only did Galway get three more scores than Waterford, they also hit 15 shots wide to just five for Waterford, and of course they also missed a penalty. Overall, they were deserving winners, although Waterford could have made it harder for them had Maurice Shanahan and Stephen Bennett taken two tap-over points rather than looking in vain for goals, and had Tom Devine played in the unmarked Stephen Roche for an almost certain goal in the 56th minute rather than taking his point. On top of that, I thought Tommy Ryan (who had an excellent game) should have got a penalty in the 40th minute when he made a great run into the large square. He was hooked for his shot but could well have scored with a follow-up shot was he not taken out of it by an illegal charge by the Galway goalie.

Waterford possession count: Regan I (3); Fives S (4); Bennett K (4); McNulty S (7); Keating S (7); de Burca T (14); Gleeson C (10); O'Brien M (12); Moran K (15); Bennett Stephen (8); Roche S (10); Foran DJ (8); Shanahan M (9); Devine T (7); Ryan T (10); Bennett Shane (4); Connors N (1); Walsh M (2); O'Halloran B (0); Mahony P (1).

Stacksofwacks

Can someone explain the U17 thing to me? Is there lads playing on both teams and is it the same management? If so its a bit of a disaster to expect lads to be committed to both teams.. The minor result was a disapointment but minor can be unpredictable and they seemed to be doing ok til half time.. lets see how they do next day to reserve real judgement..

robopaddy2

Stacksofwacks wrote: »

Can someone explain the U17 thing to me? Is there lads playing on both teams and is it the same management? If so its a bit of a disaster to expect lads to be committed to both teams.. The minor result was a disapointment but minor can be unpredictable and they seemed to be doing ok til half time.. lets see how they do next day to reserve real judgement..

Minor grade is being scrapped from next year, it will be u17 only. The purpose of the u17 grade this year is to give lads who would have played co minor next year the chance represent their county.
As far as I'm aware it consists of anyone under 17 who has not been selected on the county minor panel. Its not a case that players eligible for both would be involved in both. So its a bit of a second rate competition really.

crottys lake

What has happened to Tiernan O'Connell and Harry Ruddle and a few of the the other lads off the minor squad that were not named ? They looked obvious contenders for starting places not to mind the squad and were involved when I last saw them up to this year. They certainly had the ability to start on the team. That is not to take anything away from the boys that started either. If we have a full deck then surely we should be playing with it. I saw that original squad put it up to the best of teams through up to under 17 so what has gone wrong ?

Tom Barron was played completely out of position too. He must be centre or full back, not wing forward where he started and then moved to mid field. It was tough to be there watching the lads suffer the other night.

Stopitwillya

Tom Devine going travelling for the summer. Big loss as he has being in great form recently.

The blue blaa

crottys lake wrote: »

What has happened to Tiernan O'Connell and Harry Ruddle and a few of the the other lads off the minor squad that were not named ? They looked obvious contenders for starting places not to mind the squad and were involved when I last saw them up to this year. They certainly had the ability to start on the team. That is not to take anything away from the boys that started either. If we have a full deck then surely we should be playing with it. I saw that original squad put it up to the best of teams through up to under 17 so what has gone wrong ?

Tom Barron was played completely out of position too. He must be centre or full back, not wing forward where he started and then moved to mid field. It was tough to be there watching the lads suffer the other night.

Tiernan O Connell didn't make the cut and Harry Ruddle is completely out of favour there.
That age group have had 3 different manager's since U14.
Although they did have more or less every single player playing out of position, the bottom line is the players are just simply not there.
However I do firmly believe they are not as bad as the final score against Clare.
This Cork team would be favourites to win the minor out, if i am correct in saying they won everything underage with this group and home advantage in Pairc ui Rinn will stand to them.

The development squads need to pull the finger out and go after decent underage coaches not friends and ex clubmates.
There are some very good exciting young coaches around the county but the powers that be who get paid to make these decisions are clueless. They send a mail out and ask for the club secretary to ask their coaches to get involved.

PaddyJoeOil

We would like to wish Tom Devine the best of luck in Boston in the Summer, He took this choice to learn more about hurling and we expect more players to do the same. We feel the coaches in Boston have more of an idea about the game than Derek McGrath and hopefully Tom will come back a better player for the New 2018 Management team and hopefully we will have a realistic chance in challenging for Liam.

PTH2009

Shame about Tom Devine but wish he would of decided at the start of the year so we could find a replacement for him. Anyway hope he comes back a better player for 2018

The pressure on McGrath and the players on June 18th is going too be immense and a defeat as expected will be damaging as the qualifiers are a dangerous place to be in with a few very good teams in Leinster and then we have the competitive Munster teams in the mix til. You can one chance and lose that and the summers over. Do we a secret weapon for June 18th that is being kept behind closed doors ??

McGraths attitude towards dis years league was bad and we should have a semi final too look forward you next weekend but sadly don't . The summer will tell a lot

brookville

PTH2009 wrote: »

Shame about Tom Devine but wish he would of decided at the start of the year so we could find a replacement for him. Anyway hope he comes back a better player for 2018

The pressure on McGrath and the players on June 18th is going too be immense and a defeat as expected will be damaging as the qualifiers are a dangerous place to be in with a few very good teams in Leinster and then we have the competitive Munster teams in the mix til. You can one chance and lose that and the summers over. Do we a secret weapon for June 18th that is being kept behind closed doors ??

McGraths attitude towards dis years league was bad and we should have a semi final too look forward you next weekend but sadly don't . The summer will tell a lot

It must of being rumoured Tom was going travelling as I heard from a waterford lad a few months ago at work he was travelling this year.I was suprised to c him play league if this was in his mind

JeffKenna

I know fellas have their own life and career but in a year we have serious aspirations of winning an all Ireland it's a disappointing decision.

brookville

JeffKenna wrote: »

I know fellas have their own life and career but in a year we have serious aspirations of winning an all Ireland it's a disappointing decision.

It's hard to blame young lads either,we're lucky as supporters in kk it never happens but the game is so demanding it's becoming more and more popular.I even see club lads now planning holidays around matches,going weddings and not drinking and watching their diet every day of the year
Think of the few dublin footballers who went travelling and they nearly guaranteed a final appearance

PTH2009

There are 9 weekends left til the 18th June

So rounds 1 and 2 of the senior hurling championship are taking place on the Easter weekend and 21/22/23 April and round 1 of the football championship takes place 5/6/7 May. The senior footballers play Cork in the Munster QF on the 28th May. So effectively we have 5/6 weeks to plan for the Munster Semi final, we prob we play a few challenge games

chookieourlaw

JeffKenna wrote: »

I know fellas have their own life and career but in a year we have serious aspirations of winning an all Ireland it's a disappointing decision.

Maybe Tom Devine doesn't think our aspirations have much chance of being seriously realised. Either way, can't blame the guy. Maybe he doesn't think it's fair to send a bunch of newbies and novices into a game and have no strategy or even desire to win that game, which ultimately reflects badly on them, like what happened in Galway last week.

PTH2009

Tom Devine Statement

On Monday last I informed Derek and Dan of my decision to travel for the summer coming 2017.

With college and career demands looming large in the next year or two, this is essentially my last chance to travel for a summer. It’s something I’ve always wanted to do but have been putting off for a few years now, and this year I simply can’t pass the opportunity to travel.

The decision was not an easy one to make on my behalf.

It has been an amazing experience for me to have been involved with such a professional, yet close-knit and supportive set up over the last 4 years.

I’d like to personally thank the players, backroom team and especially Derek and Dan for everything they’ve done. The work put in by everyone involved is staggering and not always appreciated by those outside of the panel and backroom team.

Derek and Dan have always had a holistic attitude towards both life and sport and have always wanted the best for us players in all aspects of life. I’m glad to be leaving with their blessing, and it’s been both a pleasure and an honour to have been involved with men of their calibre.
Tom Devine

Quite understandable but The wait for Liam McCarthy looks like it will spread too 2018. Big big loss hopefully no more injuries or drop outs . The form of the Austin Gleeson and Jamie Barron so far this year is very worrying also

Deisegodeo

Very disappointing to hear Devine is going travelling and wont be available for the summer. Understandable that a lad of his age would want to see a bit of the world but its a blow for our ambitions this summer, he was one of the positives to come out of a mediocre enough league campaign. He looked a real handful at full forward against Clare and Galway. Certainly a good option that we wont be able to use in the championship

tomwaterford

PTH2009 wrote: »

Tom Devine Statement

On Monday last I informed Derek and Dan of my decision to travel for the summer coming 2017.

With college and career demands looming large in the next year or two, this is essentially my last chance to travel for a summer. It’s something I’ve always wanted to do but have been putting off for a few years now, and this year I simply can’t pass the opportunity to travel.

The decision was not an easy one to make on my behalf.

It has been an amazing experience for me to have been involved with such a professional, yet close-knit and supportive set up over the last 4 years.

I’d like to personally thank the players, backroom team and especially Derek and Dan for everything they’ve done. The work put in by everyone involved is staggering and not always appreciated by those outside of the panel and backroom team.

Derek and Dan have always had a holistic attitude towards both life and sport and have always wanted the best for us players in all aspects of life. I’m glad to be leaving with their blessing, and it’s been both a pleasure and an honour to have been involved with men of their calibre.
Tom Devine

Quite understandable but The wait for Liam McCarthy looks like it will spread too 2018. Big big loss hopefully no more injuries or drop outs . The form of the Austin Gleeson and Jamie Barron so far this year is very worrying also

He's dead right...life's for living and too short to be playing a crap brand of hurling


I wish him the best in his travels,he'll have a long career ahead of him yet





***afaik Phil grimes missed out on an all Ireland model in 1948 taking the time to travel?

robopaddy2

Of course the conspiracy theorists will say it's because of Derek's system that Tom is leaving but nothing could be further from the truth. A timely reminder that there's more to life than hurling and GAA and for Tom that is certainly the case. Anyone that knows him will tell you his commitment to the cause is phenomenal. The last few years with minor, senior and U21s, club and colleges. People questioning why he played through the league when he knew he was going because when he's in something he's in with both feet. He dosent make excuses always gives his all. Also lined out for the minor and u21 footballers when everyone else was turning their nose up at it. All the while studying to be a doctor! If ever a lad deserved some time away....

blue note

tomwaterford wrote:

I wish him the best in his travels,he'll have a long career ahead of him yet

tomwaterford wrote:

***afaik Phil grimes missed out on an all Ireland model in 1948 taking the time to travel?

tomwaterford wrote:

He's dead right...life's for living and too short to be playing a crap brand of hurling

You're right about phil grimes. In the photos of the 48 winning team he's generally stuck on. He played the first game and then went to America (to work I think).

And Tom Devine is right too. Not all that many opportunities to travel like that. If you keep putting it off he'd never go. We'll miss him for sure, but it's only hurling at the end of the day.

fowlerDgrowler

chookieourlaw wrote: »

Maybe Tom Devine doesn't think our aspirations have much chance of being seriously realised. Either way, can't blame the guy. Maybe he doesn't think it's fair to send a bunch of newbies and novices into a game and have no strategy or even desire to win that game, which ultimately reflects badly on them, like what happened in Galway last week.

Might want to read his statement

chookieourlaw

Does anyone really think that if Tom Devine genuinely believed that Waterford had a real prospect of winning the AI this year that he would still emigrate? Personally, I doubt it.

tomwaterford

chookieourlaw wrote: »

Does anyone really think that if Tom Devine genuinely believed that Waterford had a real prospect of winning the AI this year that he would still emigrate? Personally, I doubt it.

He can always come back??

There's more to life than slogging away woth waterford.....we gave bones of 6 or 7 years knocking on the door and being in with shout and not doing it

The lad is perfectly within his rights to travel,he owes noone anything....outta college 4/5 years could fly by and the chance will be gone

JeffKenna

chookieourlaw wrote: »

Does anyone really think that if Tom Devine genuinely believed that Waterford had a real prospect of winning the AI this year that he would still emigrate? Personally, I doubt it.

Unfortunately I agree. Not many chances for a waterford man to win an all ireland. Any Tom, Dick or Harry can go to Boston on a J1.

mickmackmcgoo

tomwaterford wrote:

The lad is perfectly within his rights to travel,he owes noone anything....outta college 4/5 years could fly by and the chance will be gone

Yeah he obviously has it on his mind with a while and good luck to him . Have a feeling he will never go back to the Waterford team . He done very well in the last 2 matches but couldn't see Derek starting him In the championship anyway .

chookieourlaw

tomwaterford wrote: »

He can always come back??

There's more to life than slogging away woth waterford.....we gave bones of 6 or 7 years knocking on the door and being in with shout and not doing it

The lad is perfectly within his rights to travel,he owes noone anything....outta college 4/5 years could fly by and the chance will be gone

Of course he is perfectly entitled to head off. McGrath could hardly have avoided playing Devine in the championship, at least as an impact sub anyway, considering he has been our best forward in the league with maybe the exception of Stephen Bennett.

cul beag

Old news about Devine heading to Boston, some people knew of it before xmas. Nice to see Club Deise funding this weekend's piss up in London I'm sure the clubs are delighted to see their star players on the lash 1 week out from championship. Can you imagine the shoe on the other foot? And please don't insult my intelligence by saying they're on the dry.... Unfortunately I have seen pictures to prove it. To be honest it's a disgrace and a total lack of respect by management towards the clubs that supply these players.Again the ordinary club players suffer the consequences.

tomwaterford

cul beag wrote: »

Old news about Devine heading to Boston, some people knew of it before xmas. Nice to see Club Deise funding this weekend's piss up in London I'm sure the clubs are delighted to see their star players on the lash 1 week out from championship. Can you imagine the shoe on the other foot? And please don't insult my intelligence by saying they're on the dry.... Unfortunately I have seen pictures to prove it.

Pics or GTFO

cascade12

cul beag wrote: »

Old news about Devine heading to Boston, some people knew of it before xmas. Nice to see Club Deise funding this weekend's piss up in London I'm sure the clubs are delighted to see their star players on the lash 1 week out from championship. Can you imagine the shoe on the other foot? And please don't insult my intelligence by saying they're on the dry.... Unfortunately I have seen pictures to prove it. To be honest it's a disgrace and a total lack of respect by management towards the clubs that supply these players.Again the ordinary club players suffer the consequences.

You are some man. Never miss an opportunity to have a go at the management. Why dont you tell us what you are so bitter about. Maybe someone might be able to help you deal with it. I would assume you will be shouting against Waterford in the championship. I see Club Deise are now also a subject of your vitriol.

tomwaterford

cascade12 wrote: »

You are some man. Never miss an opportunity to have a go at the management. Why dont you tell us what you are so bitter about. Maybe someone might be able to help you deal with it. I would assume you will be shouting against Waterford in the championship. I see Club Deise are now also a subject of your vitriol.

He have the magnificent 4 and now pics aswell to prove people were drinking

The horror of it,young people enjoying themselves :rolleyes:

Ya swear it was week before a county final or something,first round of club games,most lads I know wouldn't begrudge anyone few drinks this far out from a game


Ffs is it monks or hurlers we want

cul beag

tomwaterford wrote: »

He have the magnificent 4 and now pics aswell to prove people were drinking

The horror of it,young people enjoying themselves :rolleyes:

Ya swear it was week before a county final or something,first round of club games,most lads I know wouldn't begrudge anyone few drinks this far out from a game


Ffs is it monks or hurlers we want

Magnificent 4?Sleep well 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂ðŸ‘ðŸ‘

tomwaterford

cul beag wrote: »

Magnificent 4?Sleep well 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂ðŸ‘ðŸ‘

So they don't exist?

cul beag

tomwaterford wrote: »

Pics or GTFO

Not a nice reply Tom! I'm not feeling the love on here lately but unfortunately the truth always hurts. As for the 4 players? You're definitely losing it!
On a more serious note had you any luck with the dating page on here or did the sheep get in the way?

PaddyJoeOil

Tom is deleting his own comments CulBeag haha

SW1985

Typically some are using Tom's decision as a stick to beat Derek with. The board seems to be a magnet for lunatics