Waterford GAA Discussion Thread - **MOD NOTE POST #1**

mountgomery burns

Deise Gael wrote: »

Are you for real?

Read back what you wrote and tell me how any of the above rubbish makes any sense with regards to today's f*cking about with lads who have busted a gut since last November to get a chance to wear the Waterford jersey.

My post was a response to PTH going on about fellas who'd rather travel to Limerick then watch Club games, as if that should be a factor considered by anyone.

Club games have been moved in the past to accomodate the extended league run, this would have been done had they won today. There is no conspiracy and even if the management didn't care if they won as much as they did last week, they still wanted to win. They did not try to lose (which you agree with.)

Deise Gael

fowlerDgrowler wrote: »

How a manager is criticised for bringing on his experienced players to close out a game beggars belief, damned if you do and damned if you don't.

So which is it?

Was he trying to close out the match or trying to lose it so that we can concentrate on the Championship and protect the players as well?

People can't have it both ways!!!

fowlerDgrowler

Django99 wrote: »

It's completely wrong in my opinion. There's nothing wrong with playing an experimental team, and not being bothered if they win or lose. But to play that team, and then change the game plan halfway through the game, while winning easily, is just stupidity.

It's like he thinks he has the championship figured out, and that losing this game is part of a plan.

The inability of the half forward line to win puck outs in the last 15 minutes can't be blamed on McGrath. All good managers would that try to restrict scoring opportunities for the opposition against a wind, would be naive not to.

fowlerDgrowler

fowlerDgrowler wrote: »

How can he be out of his depth, Waterford are now into a third year where they are competitive at the top level with him as manager!!

I'm sure with that lead he wanted to win the match and play another experimental team the following week.

mickmackmcgoo

fowlerDgrowler wrote:

The inability of the half forward line to win puck outs in the last 15 minutes can't be blamed on McGrath. All good managers would that try to restrict scoring opportunities for the opposition against a wind, would be naive not to.

We done fine winning balls and creating scores up to that point and putting mahony and Shane on didn't help at all . We won nothing when they came on . Foran should have been left on .
Positives . Tadhg was immense and covered the entire back line . Tommy Ryan done very well . Devine mixed bag but can't argue with his scores. Roche done well In fairness . Stephen Bennett was good as always.
2 of the backs are not up to this level but at least they got a chance

Deise Gael

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

We done fine winning balls and creating scores up to that point and putting mahony and Shane on didn't help at all . We won nothing when they came on . Foran should have been left on .
Positives . Tadhg was immense and covered the entire back line . Tommy Ryan done very well . Devine mixed bag but can't argue with his scores. Roche done well In fairness . Stephen Bennett was good as always.
2 of the backs are not up to this level but at least they got a chance

Bang on.

fowlerDgrowler

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

We done fine winning balls and creating scores up to that point and putting mahony and Shane on didn't help at all . We won nothing when they came on . Foran should have been left on .
Positives . Tadhg was immense and covered the entire back line . Tommy Ryan done very well . Devine mixed bag but can't argue with his scores. Roche done well In fairness . Stephen Bennett was good as always.
2 of the backs are not up to this level but at least they got a chance

Substitutions were due to tiredness, both players had been out of it in the latter stages which I thought was very evident and only someone looking to stick it to McGrath would criticise these substitutions

I agree on Tadhg De Burca, his distribution has improved massively this year. Shane Roche also impressive up to 45-50 minutes but then seemed to disappear

Deise Gael

fowlerDgrowler wrote: »

Substitutions were due to tiredness, both players had been out of it in the latter stages which I thought was very evident and only someone looking to stick it to McGrath would criticise these substitutions

I agree on Tadhg De Burca, his distribution has improved massively this year. Shane Roche also impressive up to 45-50 minutes but then seemed to disappear

As a matter of interest can you name any one of the substitutions who actually got on even one ball?

tomwaterford

carter10 wrote: »

Also, Brick came on with 14 mins to go today- he was on the field for 17 mins and during that time we hit every puckout down on him- he didn't win one and we failed to score in the time he was on the field. I know he is the media darling but today was at least the 7th game on the trot he has failed to score. I think the last time he scored from play was wexford last summer. Not acceptable.

Only in Waterford would a center forward who deosnt score from play and only one handed hurler be lauded as one of tge best player's ever


But sure hes a great oul tryer :rolleyes:

mickmackmcgoo

fowlerDgrowler wrote:

Substitutions were due to tiredness, both players had been out of it in the latter stages which I thought was very evident and only someone looking to stick it to McGrath would criticise these substitutions

I was one of mcgraths biggest fans till this year actually and having nothing against him personally, he is a decent fella but I see the same thing happening this year. We all know the starting 15 for the championship if everyone is fit and Tipp exposed us big time last year and I see nothing different happening this year so that's why I think we need a change

chinguetti

I've seen fellas pulling horses so they'll win the next day at better odds but the logic of what went on there in the second half has me baffled.

55 mins gone and 10 points up and lose by 3 points. Lads, questions have to be asked, whether you for and against McGrath as we threw a winnable game away. Club games or not, Waterford can't be throwing away competitive games where we might win a national final.

Yes, Galway did come back but we stopped driving smart cross field balls from Bennett into a one man forward who was causing trouble. We made chances and we retreated back and stopped winning any balls.

Bizarre is putting it mildly.

fowlerDgrowler

Deise Gael wrote: »

As a matter of interest can you name any one of the substitutions who actually got on even one ball?

That results based thinking, McGrath can't be criticised for his substitutions, criticising the substitutions is just looking for something to hit McGrath with. All substitutions were all star nominees last year. I do believe the decision to not take Maurice off frees was a poor one when Mahony was brought on

tomwaterford

fowlerDgrowler wrote: »

McGraths credentials prove he does.

1 league title in 3 years??


Your only as good as your last game....if your happy that the future for waterford involves throwing away 10 point leads..... We're fcuked the day that becomes acceptable

fowlerDgrowler

tomwaterford wrote: »

1 league title in 3 years??


Your only as good as your last game....if your happy that the future for waterford involves throwing away 10 point leads..... We're fcuked the day that becomes acceptable

On the basis Cody should be sacked and we should be targeting to replace McGrath next year with Davy?

tomwaterford

fowlerDgrowler wrote: »

On the basis Cody should be sacked and we should be targeting to replace McGrath next year with Davy?

I only care about waterford hurling??


Nonetheless im not the one trying to excuae throwing away a 10 point lead...of your happy that this is acceptable.....do you really want the best for waterford??

PTH2009

Cork or tipp will have the extra championship game before they play us on the 18th June . More than likely we will be playing Tipp in the semi but that will take place in Limerick (unless the new PUC in cork is ready by the 18th June). A defeat is likely unless Derek has a plan which will be unleashed In June ??

The qualifers will not be an easy road either with potentially Kilkenny (they play in Wexford in Wexford park in the Leinster semi final), Wexford, Dublin or Galway being there for round 1. Our summer could be over after 2 games if we make a bollox of it

A bad championship will deff end Derek's Reign as manager.

Deise Gael

fowlerDgrowler wrote: »

On the basis Cody should be sacked and we should be targeting to replace McGrath next year with Davy?

Are you for real?

When Derek has achieved with what Cody has achieved then you can make that argument.

This is his fourth year and he's still bulls*itting out of him about having patience.

It's s*it or bust now for him and he's not inspiring confidence that he has any clue where he's going.

It looks like he doesn't even know his own mind since he got the job.

cul beag

fowlerDgrowler wrote: »

How can he be out of his depth, Waterford are now into a third year where they are competitive at the top level with him as manager!!

And? As I posted previously we have one national league to show for it. We have been competitive for years and we were led to believe the chosen one would lead us to the promised land? Can you show me the evidence of this please and not moral victories now or not how his elequent knowledge of the English language tries to bamboozle us through his media buddies.

fowlerDgrowler

tomwaterford wrote: »

I only care about waterford hurling??


Nonetheless im not the one trying to excuae throwing away a 10 point lead...of your happy that this is acceptable.....do you really want the best for waterford??

Yes but your theory can be used to analyse any manager, I was just proving how it was flawed.

tomwaterford

fowlerDgrowler wrote: »

Yes but your theory can be used to analyse any manager, I was just proving how it was flawed.

So simply put.... Why are you happy woth ****ing away a 10point lead??

fowlerDgrowler

cul beag wrote: »

And? As I posted previously we have one national league to show for it. We have been competitive for years and we were led to believe the chosen one would lead us to the promised land? Can you show me the evidence of this please and not moral victories now or not how his elequent knowledge of the English language tries to bamboozle us through his media buddies.

It's eloquent btw so he could teach you a thing or two ;-)

I do believe Waterford have improved again this year and there are a lot of positives to be taken out of the league, except for Tipp I don't believe Waterford will fear anyone in the championship.

mickmackmcgoo

fowlerDgrowler wrote:

I do believe Waterford have improved again this year and there are a lot of positives to be taken out of the league, except for Tipp I don't believe Waterford will fear anyone in the championship.

The positives being ?

fowlerDgrowler

tomwaterford wrote: »

So simply put.... Why are you happy woth ****ing away a 10point lead??

No but the wind would obviously play a part in this, if you look back at matches in Salthill a lot of teams have had big leads turned around against the wild Atlantic winds in the second half, even look at Maurice's free which he hit sweetly and as hard as he could but it dropped short.

Hurling is a game in which stages of the match one team has the momentum. Galway had it in the final quarter and we couldn't regain it, we shouldn't of lost but did. We need now to move on and focus on the championship

fowlerDgrowler

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

The positives being ?

Tadhg De Burca and Shane Five ( although poor today)
Stephen Bennett
Tom Devine
Ability to score goals
Winning away from home
Return of Steven Daniels who gives a bit of steel to the backs.

Wider panel performances, we have had big players injured for this league and still remained competitive and retained 1A status.

fowlerDgrowler

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

I was one of mcgraths biggest fans till this year actually and having nothing against him personally, he is a decent fella but I see the same thing happening this year. We all know the starting 15 for the championship if everyone is fit and Tipp exposed us big time last year and I see nothing different happening this year so that's why I think we need a change

The backs and midfield are set but I believe 2 spots are for the taking in the forwards.

mickmackmcgoo

fowlerDgrowler wrote:

The backs and midfield are set but I believe 2 spots are for the taking in the forwards.

Well there are really only 5 forward spots the way we set up . Pauric . Brick . Shane. Stephen and Curran .

So I don't see there being any spots available unfortunately but I hope I'm wrong

fowlerDgrowler

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

Well there are really only 5 forward spots the way we set up . Pauric . Brick . Shane. Stephen and Curran .

So I don't see there being any spots available unfortunately but I hope I'm wrong

I don't believe Brick and Curran are guaranteed.

fieldcow

Can't believe the overreaction from some quarters here. By my count Galway had 14 of the 15 who started last year's All-Ireland semi v Tipp.

We, meanwhile, took to the field without Jamie Barron, Pauric Mahony, Paddy Curran, Shane Bennett, Philip Mahony, Brick Walsh, Noel Connors, Darragh Fives, Barry Coughlan (whose importance to the team was clear today, despite his many detractors here) and Aussie.

To put up 2-19 in those circumstances is a credit to strength in depth of the panel. The likes of Midget, DJ, Tommy Ryan, MOB and Seamus Keating certainly proved they can mix it with the best and will give the selectors a welcome headache come championship.

Waterford deserve massive credit for outplaying that Galway line-up for the bones of an hour. Given the talent at their disposal and a big crowd behind them, they were always going to rally. Not too long ago that Galway clawed back an 8-point deficit against Kilkenny, and that was championship. I didn't understand the substitution of DJ Foran today, but any manager worth his salt would have brought on the experienced heads for the final stretch; didn't work today, but when players as good as Canning get a bit of momentum, with a stiff breeze behind their backs, they can be near impossible to stop.

Having said all that, McGrath has made it very clear where his priorities lie this year. While I firmly believe he deserves the benefit of the doubt for the league campaign, he needs to deliver come championship. An All-Ireland has to be the target.

And finally, anyone questioning Brick needs to go back and watch the two semis v Kilkenny last year and count how many goals and points he single-handedly created.

Deise Gael

fowlerDgrowler wrote: »

The backs and midfield are set but I believe 2 spots are for the taking in the forwards.

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Of course I'll be pilloried for saying this but Paudie Mahony is not up to it from general play and delivers virtually nothing.

Just compare the contribution of Thomas Ryan and Stephen Roche today.

It depends if you want a combative pedestrian line with Brick and Paudie in it to draw frees.

Paudie will put frees over all daybut that will never be enough to win an All Ireland

Mulbert

Deise Gael wrote:

It looks like he doesn't even know his own mind since he got the job.

But we all know the starting team come summer. I'd say he knows exactly his mind. That's the problem most posters here have with him.