Waterford GAA Discussion Thread - **MOD NOTE POST #1**

HatchetMan7

Made a lot of substitutions when the game was in the melting pot in the last 10 minutes. I think McGrath will be happy enough with that result.

debok

We had no one to catch the ball in half forward line in second half and Galway started winning the breaks. Yes we were going well and should of won and maybe the changes were wrong but its not as if Twas rookies that were coming on. Bennet mahony brick Connors coming on should have made sure of the victory and if you were on the line as manager ya should have no worries with experienced players going in. Game turned Galway got on a run **** happens. People said the starting team was wrong decision and then when the fellas who should have been starting come on its still wrong decision.
Fair play to Wexford though .cody out!!!

chookieourlaw

mountgomery burns wrote: »

This place, yet again, is an absolute embarrassment.

The real embarrassment is being nine points up and losing by three, Galway scoring 1-8 without reply in the last 15 mins and Waterford scoring a big ZERO - that is embarrassing!

Take no prisoners

Jesus that's put me in woeful form. Had no expectations with the team that was named but to have such a lead and manage to throw it away is just stomach churning. Making so many changes in such a short space of time seemed to take the wind out of our sails (along with Joe Canning taking the game to us). Those lads couldn't get to the pitch of the game. The lads who started gave a good showing and can be proud of their performance. I'd question why Maurice took those two late frees when Mahony was on the pitch. Your main free taker, when present, should be on the frees in my opinion. Poor poor game management.

HatchetMan7

I think im going to have to spell this out. McGrath clearly did not want Waterford in a league semi final.

Deise Gael

mountgomery burns wrote: »

This place, yet again, is an absolute embarrassment.

No, McGrath is an embarrassment.

If I was Thomas Ryan, DJ Foran and Midget Roche I would be livid at being taken off.

We had the Galway defence all over the place because of sheer pace.

Then McGrath brings on the pets and we revert back to pedestrian pace and sledging.

TheScoringGoal

Deise Gael wrote: »

No, McGrath is an embarrassment.

If I was Thomas Ryan, DJ Foran and Midget Roche I would be livid at being taken off.

We had the Galway defence all over the place because of sheer pace.

Then McGrath brings on the pets and we revert back to pedestrian pace and sledging.

Ryan and Roche had clearly tired. Both played well though. However neither would be known for ball winning so they wouldn't have made a difference in the final 20 mins.

Django99

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

I think im going to have to spell this out. McGrath clearly did not want Waterford in a league semi final.

I think you're right, and this makes it even worse. Tipp, Kilkenny, Galway, no other successful team would ever do that. In football Kerry or Dublin would never do it.

No successful team ever in any sport ever does that.

Deise Gael

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

Ryan and Roche had clearly tired. Both played well though. However neither would be known for ball winning so they wouldn't have made a difference in the final 20 mins.

And O'Halloran and Puudie would?

Midget and Thomas Ryan did more from play in their time on the pitch today than Paudie Mahony has done in the entire League.

HatchetMan7

Im not saying it was right or wrong only at the end of the year we'll know that but if McGrath wanted to win that game Mahony would have taken that last free for sure.

Django99

HatchetMan7 wrote: »

Im not saying it was right or wrong only at the end of the year we'll know that but if McGrath wanted to win that game Mahony would have taken that last free for sure.

It's completely wrong in my opinion. There's nothing wrong with playing an experimental team, and not being bothered if they win or lose. But to play that team, and then change the game plan halfway through the game, while winning easily, is just stupidity.

It's like he thinks he has the championship figured out, and that losing this game is part of a plan.

cul beag

debok wrote: »

We had no one to catch the ball in half forward line in second half and Galway started winning the breaks. Yes we were going well and should of won and maybe the changes were wrong but its not as if Twas rookies that were coming on. Bennet mahony brick Connors coming on should have made sure of the victory and if you were on the line as manager ya should have no worries with experienced players going in. Game turned Galway got on a run **** happens. People said the starting team was wrong decision and then when the fellas who should have been starting come on its still wrong decision.
Fair play to Wexford though .cody out!!!

When mcgrath can even remember what Cody has won for his county then and only then can such a stupid statement be made. He's a bluffer,out of his dept,and an embarrassment today to throw that away. But then I forgot,the big picture,we must all think of the bigger picture 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Deiseen

Connors, brick, and Mahoney being described as pets. LOL.

The game was turning before McGrath brought on the seasoned players, simple as that.

There's no other way of looking at that game then that our panel is looking great.

mountgomery burns

It was disappointing to lose in that manner no doubt, but he got criticism for the team selection before the game and now is getting criticism for taking the same lads off.

I'm not saying that he can't be criticized at all or shouldn't be it's just anything hat goes wrong is always entirely his fault. It's completely daft. I would be encouraged by the performances of a few players, was surprised Foran was taken off when he was. Stephen Roche played very well.

I think to be honest Galway were poor for a lot of the game but played well at the end. It was a very loose game, closer to challenge match intensity than a championship game.

Deiseen

cul beag wrote: »

debok wrote: »

We had no one to catch the ball in half forward line in second half and Galway started winning the breaks. Yes we were going well and should of won and maybe the changes were wrong but its not as if Twas rookies that were coming on. Bennet mahony brick Connors coming on should have made sure of the victory and if you were on the line as manager ya should have no worries with experienced players going in. Game turned Galway got on a run **** happens. People said the starting team was wrong decision and then when the fellas who should have been starting come on its still wrong decision.
Fair play to Wexford though .cody out!!!

When mcgrath can even remember what Cody has won for his county then and only then can such a stupid statement be made. He's a bluffer,out of his dept,and an embarrassment today to throw that away. But then I forgot,the big picture,we must all think of the bigger picture 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

He gave a lot of new boys, who he was obviously confident in, a start today. Shame to lose but invaluable experience. That's the bigger picture.

chookieourlaw

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

Ryan and Roche had clearly tired. Both played well though. However neither would be known for ball winning so they wouldn't have made a difference in the final 20 mins.

Both Ryan and Roche won loads of their own ball today - what are you on about?

PTH2009

Feel sorry for the Waterford supporters who travelled up

People would get more joy going to a league semi final on Easter Sunday than travelling too Fraher field to watch a club game

The fact the county championships were fixed for the same weekends as the league semis and final said it all. What about people who bought intercounty season tickets ?

What I'm pissed off about it that we had the game won and we ****ed it away (even though o didn't expect us to win the game when the team was named), played players out of poistion and Derek laughing at the end of the game with his pal the Galway Manager. He will come out with a smirk on his face on rte later.

Why does he need 2+ months without a competitive game too get ready for the championship ???. OK Tipperary went out of the league last year at the qf stage and went on too win the AI but we're not going to do that but Derek thinks we will, he must be hiding some good plans if so

debok

cul beag wrote: »

When mcgrath can even remember what Cody has won for his county then and only then can such a stupid statement be made. He's a bluffer,out of his dept,and an embarrassment today to throw that away. But then I forgot,the big picture,we must all think of the bigger picture 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

I was joking bout Cody out and it had nothing to do with rest of my message I was just saying fair play to Wexford. So calm down.

mountgomery burns

The club games were fixed for the start of May last year and the first round was postponed. There was meant to be a round of football that had to be postponed as Waterford progressed in the league. It meant club players having to play a heap of games having after Waterford were out having not pucked a ball for the summer basically. And it didn't just affect the senior championships...Tom Devine must have had a ridiculous schedule with Modeligos run in the Intermediate Hurling and Football championships along with the under 21s.

And these club players are the fellas paying membership and fund raising, a part of which was levied by the County board to cover their debts...due largely to funding the Waterford Senior hurling team. And yet all that matters apparently is whether a few lads would rather watch Waterfor play Limerick or a round of club games? By the way if the plan was to lose today, nobody told Tadhg Bourke. He was absolutely immense.

TheScoringGoal

chookieourlaw wrote: »

Both Ryan and Roche won loads of their own ball today - what are you on about?

They won ball that was played to them. But they don't field high ball and they don't win "rucks". And that was before they tired. Roche's last 2 involvements showed that. However both played well and put up their hands for future selection.

Jamie Barron was missed badly as he wins that dirty ball. Foran could win primary possession so taking him off was strange.

cul beag

debok wrote: »

We had no one to catch the ball in half forward line in second half and Galway started winning the breaks. Yes we were going well and should of won and maybe the changes were wrong but its not as if Twas rookies that were coming on. Bennet mahony brick Connors coming on should have made sure of the victory and if you were on the line as manager ya should have no worries with experienced players going in. Game turned Galway got on a run **** happens. People said the starting team was wrong decision and then when the fellas who should have been starting come on its still wrong decision.
Fair play to Wexford though .cody out!!!

When mcgrath can even remember what Cody has won for his county then and only then can such a stupid statement be made. He's a bluffer,out of his dept,and an embarrassment today to throw that away. But then I forgot,the big picture,we must all think of the bigger picture 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

carter10

Yet again today our touch was atrocious. It is a serious problem with this team which doesn't hamper most other teams.  In the Tipp game in Walsh park 18 times in the 1st half and 14 times in the 2nd a waterford player failed to pick a ball first time- I'd imagine the number was higher today.
Not being able to execute this most basic of skills allows the opposition time to close down and also reduces the options when the ball is eventually under control. This is usually the reason there are so many rucks in our games.
Also, Brick came on with 14 mins to go today- he was on the field for 17 mins and during that time we hit every puckout down on him- he didn't win one and we failed to score in the time he was on the field. I know he is the media darling but today was at least the 7th game on the trot he has failed to score. I think the last time he scored from play was wexford last summer. Not acceptable.

Deise Gael

chookieourlaw wrote: »

Both Ryan and Roche won loads of their own ball today - what are you on about?

Bang on!

Maybe they were winning too much!

It was absolutely outrageous to substitute both of those lads!

Neither have been given an opportunity up until now and they stood up to the plate today and s*it was their thanks!!

I'm only surprised that Tom Devine wasn't taken off after he scored the two goals.

How dare you go out and play hurling as it should be played.

Jesus, Thomas Ryan even had the temerity to remind us of the benefits of ground hurling.

Down with that sort of thing Ted.

Deise Gael

TheScoringGoal wrote: »

They won ball that was played to them. But they don't field high ball and they don't win "rucks". And that was before they tired. Roche's last 2 involvements showed that. However both played well and put up their hands for future selection.

Sweet Jesus, if you think either of those lads are going to figure come Championship you're clearly deranged.

Django99

mountgomery burns wrote: »

The club games were fixed for the start of May last year and the first round was postponed. There was meant to be a round of football that had to be postponed as Waterford progressed in the league. It meant club players having to play a heap of games having after Waterford were out having not pucked a ball for the summer basically. And it didn't just affect the senior championships...Tom Devine must have had a ridiculous schedule with Modeligos run in the Intermediate Hurling and Football championships along with the under 21s.

And these club players are the fellas paying membership and fund raising, a part of which was levied by the County board to cover their debts...due largely to funding the Waterford Senior hurling team. And yet all that matters apparently is whether a few lads would rather watch Waterfor play Limerick or a round of club games? By the way if the plan was to lose today, nobody told Tadhg Bourke. He was absolutely immense.

Those are perfectly good points, but going by reports Waterford were well ahead, and management decided to take off players that were playing well and change the system. Add to this that McGrath has been hinting that he thinks it's better to lose league games.

This is bad management. From the outside looking in, it looks like Waterford deliberately lost this game. No team that does that will ever be successful in the long term.

Deise Gael

carter10 wrote: »

Yet again today our touch was atrocious. It is a serious problem with this team which doesn't hamper most other teams.  In the Tipp game in Walsh park 18 times in the 1st half and 14 times in the 2nd a waterford player failed to pick a ball first time- I'd imagine the number was higher today.
Not being able to execute this most basic of skills allows the opposition time to close down and also reduces the options when the ball is eventually under control. This is usually the reason there are so many rucks in our games.
Also, Brick came on with 14 mins to go today- he was on the field for 17 mins and during that time we hit every puckout down on him- he didn't win one and we failed to score in the time he was on the field. I know he is the media darling but today was at least the 7th game on the trot he has failed to score. I think the last time he scored from play was wexford last summer. Not acceptable.

Poor Brick is flogged to death. What sense did it make bringing him on today?

This rubbish about McGrath concentrating on the championship gives the lie to bringing him on today. If he was he would mind the Brick.

McGrath basically hasn't a clue what he's doing.

He's a complete bluffer.

fowlerDgrowler

How a manager is criticised for bringing on his experienced players to close out a game beggars belief, damned if you do and damned if you don't.

There was a lot of positives to be taken from the game today, it's obvious Waterford have a plan for the season this year and the semi final and final of the league don't play part of this. A lot of players today put themselves forward to be potentially on the first 15.

There is a lot of naive tactical posters on this site, they don't have a good understanding of the game. Waterford were against the wind in the second half and had a full back who was getting roasted. Waterford had to retreat men back to not allow space to restrict ball into the Galway full forward line. Many posters here are allowing their views of McGrath ruin their ability of being able to have a good understanding of the game.

Deise Gael

mountgomery burns wrote: »

The club games were fixed for the start of May last year and the first round was postponed. There was meant to be a round of football that had to be postponed as Waterford progressed in the league. It meant club players having to play a heap of games having after Waterford were out having not pucked a ball for the summer basically. And it didn't just affect the senior championships...Tom Devine must have had a ridiculous schedule with Modeligos run in the Intermediate Hurling and Football championships along with the under 21s.

And these club players are the fellas paying membership and fund raising, a part of which was levied by the County board to cover their debts...due largely to funding the Waterford Senior hurling team. And yet all that matters apparently is whether a few lads would rather watch Waterfor play Limerick or a round of club games? By the way if the plan was to lose today, nobody told Tadhg Bourke. He was absolutely immense.

Are you for real?

Read back what you wrote and tell me how any of the above rubbish makes any sense with regards to today's f*cking about with lads who have busted a gut since last November to get a chance to wear the Waterford jersey.

fowlerDgrowler

Deise Gael wrote: »

Poor Brick is flogged to death. What sense did it make bringing him on today?

This rubbish about McGrath concentrating on the championship gives the lie to bringing him on today. If he was he would mind the Brick.

McGrath basically hasn't a clue what he's doing.

He's a complete bluffer.

McGraths credentials prove he does.

fowlerDgrowler

cul beag wrote: »

When mcgrath can even remember what Cody has won for his county then and only then can such a stupid statement be made. He's a bluffer,out of his dept,and an embarrassment today to throw that away. But then I forgot,the big picture,we must all think of the bigger picture 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

How can he be out of his depth, Waterford are now into a third year where they are competitive at the top level with him as manager!!