Tesla Model S

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unkel wrote: »

Problem is, the Model S doesn't seem to be depreciating fast at all! In fact it is the car with the lowest depreciation of all mainstream cars.......

GBP going to hell in a handcart makes it seem that way.

Viewed in Euros its a different story

Point about Tesla needing cash from anywhere that they can get it is underlined in spades by the junk bond issue that Tesla are trying to get away at present

peposhi

An interesting use of an S

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ6hwzGs8O0&feature=youtu.be

Sabre Man

I just received the following e-mail from Tesla:

We are excited to invite you to our exclusive Model S and Model X Showcase event. Join us at Tesla Dublin Sandyford from 8th to 10th September for the opportunity to see a wide range of vehicles with a variety of specifications available for immediate delivery.

Our team of product specialists will be available to discuss Model S and Model X and help answer any questions you have, including how to trade-in your current vehicle and financing options.

unkel

That sounds like just a normal day in the showroom, Sabre Man. You should be able to do all those things by just walking in off the street.

unkel

This Model S has done almost 500k km in just 2 years. It's the "Tesloop" car that provides a taxi / limo service in California

Linky

zilog_jones

I wonder how much battery degradation they've seen after that kind of mileage? Though considering the savings they're making, it would be economically viable to replace the battery if it's somehow not covered by warranty. I guess the alternative for them would be a typical "full-size sedan" with a V6 or small block V8, where you'd be lucky to get 35 MPG (imperial).

pawdee

I was taken for a spin in a Model S in the US about 3 years ago. I didn't drive it but the girl from the dealership did. Beautiful car, very roomy, very high tech. I don't know what spec it was but the acceleration was insane (compared to my VW Lupo 1.0 back home anyway)! One thing I didn't like about it was the ride. I thought it felt jittery. I'm not an expert on these things but it didn't feel planted to the road in the way a big merc does. Also, on the crappy concrete roads around San Francisco, it didn't absorb bumps too well. Maybe it had very low profile tyres? Nice car though. I liked how the door handles were flush and then popped out to meet you. Style wise it's nothing special. Don't ask how I ended up going for a test drive in it.....I haven't a pot to p*** in.

Going off topic now.......I think most cars look more or less the same nowadays. I mean there are new jags on the road and they might as well have Kia badges. That's not meant to be disrespectful of Kias mind. Some very snazzy looking Kias out now but a Jags, Mercs, BMWs used to stand out when I was a kid. There's a merc out now (a C class maybe?) and it looks like an elephant sat on each end. Horrible looking thing. If I had lots of money there's no way I'd pay say 80k for a new merc. Give me an older car (560 sec maybe?) any day of the week. 56 euros a year tax and I'll spend what I save in depreciation and finance on petrol while driving around in style and comfort.

ELM327

zilog_jones wrote: »

I wonder how much battery degradation they've seen after that kind of mileage? Though considering the savings they're making, it would be economically viable to replace the battery if it's somehow not covered by warranty. I guess the alternative for them would be a typical "full-size sedan" with a V6 or small block V8, where you'd be lucky to get 35 MPG (imperial).

There was a tesla taxi in holland the other day on facebook showing 93% SOH after 400k km

unkel

The Tesloop car had 94% battery after a bit over a year and 320k km

Linky

The Black Oil

Generations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6Nw6xp0NfM

The Black Oil

Follow up on the above. Bless him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs3eIZEGa2I

josip

NTSB have issued their report on the Model S AutoPilot crash.
http://newatlas.com/ntsb-report-tesla-autopilot-crash/51330/

unkel

What a load of bollix. The truck driver was 100% responsible for the crash. He crossed a major road without yielding right of way. He in jail?

Car driver was an idiot for watching a movie (not paying attention on the road at all, despite warnings from the car). And yes, sure enough, the car software isn't perfect yet and is not capable yet to drive without ever being involved in accidents. And it never will be. It's a safer driver than a human already though. The one bit Tesla is morally responsible for is the name of the software. "Auto pilot" is not an auto pilot (autonomous driving) system.

TBi

unkel wrote: »

The one bit Tesla is morally responsible for is the name of the software. "Auto pilot" is not an auto pilot (autonomous driving) system.

Autopilot. As used by aircraft is a perfectly correct term to use. However people have falsely associated it with full autonomous flying when it’s only a flying aid.

ELM327

Hmm
Another model S below the magical £40k barrier.
This time a 60kWh variant. Is this the non "60kWh with 75kWh pack" 60kWh?

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/used/5YJSB3S12EFP38112?redirect=no

unkel

Aye. Ring Tesla and say you live in Florida. Then wait a bit for the OTA update and then take the SIM card out. Voila 75kWh

ELM327

hahah
But there were 2 variants of the 60kWh, some were 60kWh packs and some were software limited 75kWh badged as 60.

The main difference is the slower SC/DCQC speeds for the real 60 vs the software 60.

I guess if I were in a position to buy right now I could always call Tesla Sandyford and ask to be sure!

KCross

Seems Tesla are continuing with the software locked capacities. If they can afford to do that its a great way to:

1) Increase charge speeds all the way to "100%" as the battery is not really at 100% so you can keep charge speeds higher (30kW @ 99%!)
2) Reduce degradation as the battery is really only ever at ~90% max.
3) They can, at a later date, upsell the extra 10kWh to the owner.

https://electrek.co/2017/07/24/tesla-new-85-kwh-battery-packs-software-locked-model-s-x/

As I said, brilliant strategy if it makes financial sense.

ELM327

Inadvertently, its the best deterrent to battery deg as you say.
Hide the top 10% and you can fast charge alll the way to the displayed "100%".

unkel

Cheapest CPO Model S at the moment in the UK is a horrific £58,500. It does have AP and it's a 2016 car.

Are people scooping these cars up as they come for sale? Nothing much on autotrader either. And it seems that even if you could find yourself a tatty high miler at auction in the UK, you'd still pay the same VRT as a mint Tesla CPO car of the same year

It would be wiser just to bite the bullit and buy a new one. 75D, 4WD, air suspension standard, 0-60mph in 4s, basic AP included but not enhanced AP, whatever the difference is?, €88k

If only I could stretch to that

ELM327

It's silly season in the UK at the moment for the new reg plate. Perhaps Tesla removed the CPO cars that were cheap?
There was an inventory S85 at 34k the other week but it went within 24 hours

Denisoftus

unkel wrote: »

basic AP included but not enhanced AP, whatever the difference is?, €88k

Basic AP is just cruise control, so counted as none, want E-AP (which is just normal AP, marketing s.., IMHO) - pay extra. SAS is a huge advantage to 2017 coil models.

ELM327

Denisoftus wrote: »

Basic AP is just cruise control, so counted as none, want E-AP (which is just normal AP, marketing s.., IMHO) - pay extra. SAS is a huge advantage to 2017 coil models.

Basic AP is *NOT* just cruise control.

Basic AP is AP1. Advanced AP is AP2/AP2.5
Do yourself some research, theres plenty of comparison videos on youtube.

Denisoftus

ELM327 wrote: »

Basic AP is *NOT* just cruise control.

Basic AP is AP1. Advanced AP is AP2/AP2.5
Do yourself some research, theres plenty of comparison videos on youtube.

Do you mean, you can build custom order (without selecting E-AP) and get yourself AP1? I find it hard to believe. Maybe its just a terminology misunderstanding, what I mean if you don't buy E-AP, configuring your Tesla, you would't have an AP, just Cruise control.

ELM327

Denisoftus wrote: »

Do you mean, you can build custom order (without selecting E-AP) and get yourself AP1? I find it hard to believe. Maybe its just a terminology misunderstanding, what I mean if you don't buy E-AP, configuring your Tesla, you would't have an AP, just Cruise control.

I thought we referred to the CPO cars still.

Isnt basic AP AP2 and enhanced is AP 2.5? I do stand to be corrected on this one. No way do they market cruise control as basic AP

Denisoftus

ELM327 wrote: »

I thought we referred to the CPO cars still.

Isnt basic AP AP2 and enhanced is AP 2.5? I do stand to be corrected on this one. No way do they market cruise control as basic AP

If you try to make a custom built, there is an option for Enhanced AP, which makes one to believe, that if that option is not selected one will get Normal (not enhanced) AP, which is not true, all you get is cruise control as standard. Perhaps this is my wrong understanding of "Enhanced" )) By reading unkel's post

basic AP included but not enhanced AP

looks like not only me was confused.

There is no Basic from what I can see now, its EAP or nothing.

unkel

It is confusing. I could have sworn it said basic AP on the website last night for the €88k P75D (cheapest Model S for sale), but can't find it now

Then €5,400 extra for enhanced AP: 4 instead of 1 camera, etc.
Then another €3,200 for fully self driving: 8 instead of 4 camera's

Wonder what the basic setup is then, just active cruise, so autonomous driving level 1 as Denisoftus suggested? That's below what's standard on my €25k Ioniq :rolleyes:

Have a look for yourselves:

Linky

Sabre Man

Without EAP you only get basic (dumb) cruise control. With EAP you get Traffic-aware cruise control and Autopilot.

Denisoftus

Fully self driving is absolutely useless, its not legal. Why even include it in the build tool?

unkel

So basically the cheapest Tesla money can buy (with the full AP) is €95k even without metal paint. Ouch!

Sabre Man wrote: »

Without EAP you only get basic (dumb) cruise control. With EAP you get Traffic-aware cruise control and Autopilot.

What's the camera for then? Surely it must be for adaptive cruise control? Or just for autonomous braking?

Both also standard on a €25k Ioniq BTW.