Tesla Model S

tedpan

unkel wrote:

And he gave the tax payer €1000 subsidy back when buying that plate

A very nice man Indeed! I wonder how much it cost him all in?

unkel

With metallic paint and full AP, just shy of €190k

includes well over €50k in taxes - VAT and VRT, so the tax payer is doing quite well here.

tedpan

unkel wrote:

includes well over €50k in taxes - VAT and VRT, so the tax payer is doing quite well here.

Think you mean the tax man, doubt we'll see much of that cash

spyderski

Just saw a Model S which had rear ended another car at a junction (hope it wasn’t anyone on here). I genuinely thought it was impossible for this to happen, with the crash avoidance tech...

unkel

Is that a standard feature on all Model S though? I wouldn't have thought so.

In Ioniq (where it is a standard feature) it seems to work well. If I drive onto my driveway a little bit too enthusiastically (in the direction of the other car parked there), it beeps first and then slams on the brakes straight after

Sabre Man

spyderski wrote: »

Just saw a Model S which had rear ended another car at a junction (hope it wasn’t anyone on here). I genuinely thought it was impossible for this to happen, with the crash avoidance tech...

Model S has got automatic emergency braking, which will kick in when a crash can't be avoided. It's designed to minimize impact. Traffic aware cruise control will prevent issues like this one and can be used, but isn't designed for city driving.

spyderski

Noticed all the door handles had popped out too, presumably for ease of access for emergency services...

spyderski

Sabre Man wrote: »

Model S has got automatic emergency braking, which will kick in when a crash can't be avoided. It's designed to minimize impact.

Seemed to have worked to an extent, damage seemed minimal. But even slight damage is expensive to repair these days.

unkel

Sabre Man wrote: »

Model S has got automatic emergency braking, which will kick in when a crash can't be avoided.

That's bizarre. Why didn't they design it specifically to avoid a crash?

Denisoftus

spyderski wrote: »

Seemed to have worked to an extent, damage seemed minimal. But even slight damage is expensive to repair these days.

This is configurable option and can be set to Off/Normal/Earlier Warning. Depends what they had it set, could be avoidable. But again, its only a warning, the auto-braking will kick in always too late.

But one should be always in control of the vehicle and don't assume automatics will do the magic, when people put to much trust into electronics - disasters happen.

peposhi

How many Teslas are out there in Ireland at the moment. I argued with a colleague of mine who said there are 16 in total... I am 100% sure there are at least a double amount if not triple. I could not provide any sensible data so I left it at that.

Anyone knows the right figures atm?

Denisoftus

unkel wrote: »

That's bizarre. Why didn't they design it specifically to avoid a crash?

To avoid hit to the rear, I suppose, or false positives.

Sabre Man

unkel wrote: »

That's bizarre. Why didn't they design it specifically to avoid a crash?

I guess it's very hard to always avoid a crash completely. I suppose it will prevent a crash in some/many/most circumstances but it isn't something I am willing to try. Although I did see some old YouTube videos from Tesla Bjørn trying to trick a Model S into doing just that.

Say you're driving your Ioniq very close to the car in front on a motorway and the car in front of you crashes into another car. Do you really think your car will stop?

Sabre Man

peposhi wrote: »

How many Teslas are out there in Ireland at the moment. I argued with a colleague of mine who said there are 16 in total... I am 100% sure there are at least a double amount if not triple. I could not provide any sensible data so I left it at that.

Anyone knows the right figures atm?

New registrations for February alone was 23 so your friend is clearly wrong. My guess is between 80 and 100, or at least it will be soon enough.

peposhi

Sabre Man wrote: »

New registrations for February alone was 23 so your friend is clearly wrong. My guess is between 80 and 100, or at least it will be soon enough.

Cool! Response already sent I knew the figures did not make sense ...

spyderski

peposhi wrote: »

Cool! Response already sent I knew the figures did not make sense ...

Your colleague is clearly clueless. I was at the Tesla dealership a week or 2 ago and there was the best part of 16 registered cars sitting on the forecourt. I’d agree numbers must be getting up towards 100 at this stage.

unkel

Sabre Man wrote: »

Say you're driving your Ioniq very close to the car in front on a motorway

My active cruise control (also a standard feature on Ioniq) won't let me drive very close to the car in front on a motorway

Sabre Man

A Model S 75D drove through a wall in a parking garage in Oslo earlier today. The driver died.

https://ap.mnocdn.no/images/3f1487fa-dd94-46d2-a194-8d2c558a187c

unkel

Jesus. RIP.

One of those blocks must have gone through the windscreen, killing him

josip

unkel wrote: »

That's bizarre. Why didn't they design it specifically to avoid a crash?

Then they wouldn't get you for the repair costs

ted1

spyderski wrote: »

Just saw a Model S which had rear ended another car at a junction (hope it wasn’t anyone on here). I genuinely thought it was impossible for this to happen, with the crash avoidance tech...

I just had a vision of a fellow rolling back into it for an insurance claim.

spyderski

ted1 wrote: »

I just had a vision of a fellow rolling back into it for an insurance claim.

Lad he crashed into was in a newish E-Class, so I doubt it very much...

peposhi

spyderski wrote: »

Your colleague is clearly clueless. I was at the Tesla dealership a week or 2 ago and there was the best part of 16 registered cars sitting on the forecourt. I’d agree numbers must be getting up towards 100 at this stage.

When I got back to him he said he referred to how many are physically on the road. As many would have been sold and not delivered/built yet...

Sabre Man

peposhi wrote: »

When I got back to him he said he referred to how many are physically on the road. As many would have been sold and not delivered/built yet...

I counted 86 from 2014 to March 2018 on https://stats.beepbeep.ie/.

peposhi

Sabre Man wrote: »

I counted 86 from 2014 to March 2018 on https://stats.beepbeep.ie/.

Thank you so much!

KCross

peposhi wrote: »

When I got back to him he said he referred to how many are physically on the road. As many would have been sold and not delivered/built yet...

beep beep stats shows

2014. 3
2015. 2
2016. 7
2017. 51 (nearly all in Dublin and in Aug/Sep.)
2018(Jan/Feb). 31!! (again, nearly all Dublin). Looks like 2018 will see a big spike in new Telsa's here... BIK exemption kicking in I guess!


So, 94 in total.
I presume some of those are the ones in stock in the Tesla sales office in Dublin. How many would they have for sale?

The rest are clearly on the road as beep beep only shows the ones that are registered so "not built" wouldn't apply.


Edit, SabreMan just beat me to it!

spyderski

peposhi wrote: »

When I got back to him he said he referred to how many are physically on the road. As many would have been sold and not delivered/built yet...

OK, he’s not clueless. He’s an asshole. They’re on our roads since 2014. I’d seriously say I see 8-10 every day around South County Dublin. Pretty sure there’s more than 16 Model X’s around here, never mind Model S.

spyderski

People way underestimate how many expensive cars are sold in this country. I’ve seen 3 181 Bentley Bentayga’s myself.

spyderski

spyderski wrote: »

People way underestimate how many expensive cars are sold in this country. I’ve seen 3 181 Bentley Bentayga’s myself.

Yeah, money is no excuse for bad taste.

spyderski

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah, money is no excuse for bad taste.

They are quite literally the ugliest new car available. Beautiful interiors though.

spyderski

spyderski wrote: »

Your colleague is clearly clueless. I was at the Tesla dealership a week or 2 ago and there was the best part of 16 registered cars sitting on the forecourt. I’d agree numbers must be getting up towards 100 at this stage.

What is the best part of 16?

The best part of 100 is, what, 95? Just a number kindof close. What's the best part of 16? Is it 14? 13?

Sabre Man

spyderski wrote: »

OK, he’s not clueless. He’s an asshole. They’re on our roads since 2014. I’d seriously say I see 8-10 every day around South County Dublin. Pretty sure there’s more than 16 Model X’s around here, never mind Model S.

I think most of the older ones are probably recent imports.

spyderski

spyderski wrote: »

They are quite literally the ugliest new car available. Beautiful interiors though.

Ah, the interior is hideous also

spyderski

KCross wrote: »

I presume some of those are the ones in stock in the Tesla sales office in Dublin. How many would they have for sale?

The ones on Beep Beep are all registered, so not sales stock. I’d say they have 5-6 demo cars registered, but that’s just a guess. They had quite a few sitting waiting registration, presume all those were sold.

spyderski

Sabre Man wrote: »

I think most of the older ones are probably recent imports.

Many are. A good few are not. I first saw one in 2014 in Foxrock - I remember I had to turn around and drive back to figure out what it was. Couldn’t understand why yer man was putting kids into the boot of a Mazda 6! 😂

spyderski

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What is the best part of 16?

The best part of 100 is, what, 95? Just a number kindof close. What's the best part of 16? Is it 14? 13?

I have no idea. I didn’t count them because I didn’t realise some keyboard warrior on Boards would pick me up on it. It was what is colloquially known as a “guesstimate”. Would you have preferred if I’d said “approximately”, “roughly” or “around” sixteen cars? Would you have bothered posting then???

KCross

Sabre Man wrote: »

I think most of the older ones are probably recent imports.

beep beep says the following numbers were used imports which are a subset of the 94 I posted above...

2018. 18 (1yr old - 4, 2yr old - 6, 3yr old - 3, 4yr old+ - 5)
2017. 4
2016. 7
2015. 0
2014. 0

peposhi

spyderski wrote: »

OK, he’s not clueless. He’s an asshole. They’re on our roads since 2014. I’d seriously say I see 8-10 every day around South County Dublin. Pretty sure there’s more than 16 Model X’s around here, never mind Model S.

He is a genuinely good person, not an a.. or whatever. He just defends his opinion.

air

Back on topic, at the budget end a 2014 85kWh sold for £33,600 on eBay UK at the weekend.
Interesting to note that like all EVs depreciation seems to have halted in the last 6 to 9 months on the older Model S.
Also, a pretty nice 2014 P85 listed for £42k (55,000 miles) .

air

air wrote: »

Back on topic, at the budget end a 2014 85kWh sold for £33,600 on eBay UK at the weekend.

Now relisted once more (non paying bidder)

yannakis

air wrote: »

Now relisted once more (non paying bidder)

And 5% cashback with Quidco :pac:

RedorDead

peposhi wrote: »

How many Teslas are out there in Ireland at the moment. I argued with a colleague of mine who said there are 16 in total... I am 100% sure there are at least a double amount if not triple. I could not provide any sensible data so I left it at that.

Anyone knows the right figures atm?

According to CarStat on Cartell.ie there are 145 Teslas taxed and on the road in Ireland currently broken down as follows:

Model S 120
Model X 19
Unknown 6

These numbers are live as of today 15/03

KCross

RedorDead wrote: »

According to CarStat on Cartell.ie there are 145 Teslas taxed and on the road in Ireland currently broken down as follows:

Model S 120
Model X 19
Unknown 6

These numbers are live as of today 15/03

That disagrees with beepbeep.ie then as it shows only 94.

Which one is using an accurate source for its data?

RedorDead

KCross wrote: »

That disagrees with beepbeep.ie then as it shows only 94.

Which one is using an accurate source for its data?

CarTell give you live accurate car parc information and tracks cars taxed and on the road. I'd be trusting CarTell ahead of beepbeep.

KCross

RedorDead wrote: »

CarTell give you live accurate car parc information and tracks cars taxed and on the road. I'd be trusting CarTell ahead of beepbeep.

Does it have a link into the motor tax database from revenue?

I thought beepbeep was linked to the revenue car registration database so it should be accurate too but obviously one of them isnt.

air

I'd imagine a possible explanation is that both receive bulk updates at a low frequency at different times which would explain the discrepancy, frankly who cares!

KCross

air wrote: »

I'd imagine a possible explanation is that both receive bulk updates at a low frequency at different times which would explain the discrepancy, frankly who cares!

Anyone running the reports cares!

A few units here or there doesnt matter but if its out by a lot then it matters.

air

The significance of the issue is probably exacerbated by the tiny sample size for the Model S etc. I'm sure their figures correlate much better in percentage terms for vehicles with a few thousand registrations. A system designed to report on 100k vehicle registrations a year is unlikely to perform well on outlier models with 50 registrations a year.

aliveandkicking

KCross wrote: »

Does it have a link into the motor tax database from revenue?

I thought beepbeep was linked to the revenue car registration database so it should be accurate too but obviously one of them isnt.

Yeah Cartell's info comes from the DTTAS NVDF database.

KCross

He made a balls of it....

Then fixed it...

Not sure I'd like to be buying it off him but I give him credit for effort!
Those batteries are well sealed.