Tesla Model S

unkel · 08-03-2018 09:49PM

Denisoftus wrote: »

Fully self driving is absolutely useless, its not legal. Why even include it in the build tool?

It's not fully self driving. Is it even autonomous driving level 3 yet?

Level 4 is fully self driving, but with an alert driver still in the drivers seat (google autonomous cars e.g.). Level 5 is fully autonomous driving, no driver is even needed anymore.

tedpan · 08-03-2018 10:07PM

Followed a P100D this morning, beautiful car. 181-D-100! He still found it difficult to lose my leaf in the city centre

unkel · 08-03-2018 10:35PM

0-100km/h in 2s vs 0-100km/h in 10s

I somehow seem to think he wasn't really trying

tedpan · 08-03-2018 10:37PM

unkel wrote:

0-100km/h in 2s vs 0-100km/h in 10s

unkel wrote:

I somehow seem to think he wasn't really trying

Haha, of course he wasn't and I know the specs. Just having a giggle!

ELM327 · 09-03-2018 07:42AM

Denisoftus wrote: »

Fully self driving is absolutely useless, its not legal. Why even include it in the build tool?

Yet.

ted1 · 09-03-2018 08:42AM

ELM327 wrote: »

Denisoftus wrote: »

Fully self driving is absolutely useless, its not legal. Why even include it in the build tool?

Yet.

Is it actual illegal? Is there an SI for it?

Sabre Man · 09-03-2018 08:47AM

unkel wrote: »

What's the camera for then? Surely it must be for adaptive cruise control? Or just for autonomous braking?

There are 8 cameras on each Model S and X but you need to pay for EAP to take full advantage of them, otherwise you only get the benefit of the rear camera for reversing.

I'm not sure if autonomous emergency braking uses any of the three front cameras or just the radar.

ELM327 · 09-03-2018 08:52AM

ted1 wrote: »

Is it actual illegal? Is there an SI for it?

There's no SI allowing a car to be driven on the road without a driver in full control and responsibility. (Hence why you can be done for drink driving if you fall asleep in a parked car with the keys in the ignition for instance - drunk in charge).

The owner would be prosecuted for not being in control of the vehicle.

Legislation to allow it is coming. Just not for a while - once the model 3 has the full capability built out I'd say it wont be long before the red tape catches up

tedpan · 10-03-2018 03:29PM

Here's the P100D from the other day. Gorgeous car!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7649qR3M20

unkel · 10-03-2018 05:22PM

And he gave the tax payer €1000 subsidy back when buying that plate

tedpan · 10-03-2018 05:25PM

unkel wrote:

And he gave the tax payer â‚¬1000 subsidy back when buying that plate

A very nice man Indeed! I wonder how much it cost him all in?

unkel · 10-03-2018 06:11PM

With metallic paint and full AP, just shy of €190k

includes well over €50k in taxes - VAT and VRT, so the tax payer is doing quite well here.

tedpan · 10-03-2018 07:38PM

unkel wrote:

includes well over â‚¬50k in taxes - VAT and VRT, so the tax payer is doing quite well here.

Think you mean the tax man, doubt we'll see much of that cash

spyderski · 12-03-2018 04:58PM

Just saw a Model S which had rear ended another car at a junction (hope it wasn’t anyone on here). I genuinely thought it was impossible for this to happen, with the crash avoidance tech...

unkel · 12-03-2018 05:07PM

Is that a standard feature on all Model S though? I wouldn't have thought so.

In Ioniq (where it is a standard feature) it seems to work well. If I drive onto my driveway a little bit too enthusiastically (in the direction of the other car parked there), it beeps first and then slams on the brakes straight after

Sabre Man · 12-03-2018 05:11PM

spyderski wrote: »

Just saw a Model S which had rear ended another car at a junction (hope it wasn’t anyone on here). I genuinely thought it was impossible for this to happen, with the crash avoidance tech...

Model S has got automatic emergency braking, which will kick in when a crash can't be avoided. It's designed to minimize impact. Traffic aware cruise control will prevent issues like this one and can be used, but isn't designed for city driving.

spyderski · 12-03-2018 05:20PM

Noticed all the door handles had popped out too, presumably for ease of access for emergency services...

spyderski · 12-03-2018 05:21PM

Sabre Man wrote: »

Model S has got automatic emergency braking, which will kick in when a crash can't be avoided. It's designed to minimize impact.

Seemed to have worked to an extent, damage seemed minimal. But even slight damage is expensive to repair these days.

unkel · 12-03-2018 05:24PM

Sabre Man wrote: »

Model S has got automatic emergency braking, which will kick in when a crash can't be avoided.

That's bizarre. Why didn't they design it specifically to avoid a crash?

Denisoftus · 12-03-2018 05:26PM

spyderski wrote: »

Seemed to have worked to an extent, damage seemed minimal. But even slight damage is expensive to repair these days.

This is configurable option and can be set to Off/Normal/Earlier Warning. Depends what they had it set, could be avoidable. But again, its only a warning, the auto-braking will kick in always too late.

But one should be always in control of the vehicle and don't assume automatics will do the magic, when people put to much trust into electronics - disasters happen.

peposhi · 12-03-2018 05:27PM

How many Teslas are out there in Ireland at the moment. I argued with a colleague of mine who said there are 16 in total... I am 100% sure there are at least a double amount if not triple. I could not provide any sensible data so I left it at that.

Anyone knows the right figures atm?

Denisoftus · 12-03-2018 05:28PM

unkel wrote: »

That's bizarre. Why didn't they design it specifically to avoid a crash?

To avoid hit to the rear, I suppose, or false positives.

Sabre Man · 12-03-2018 05:32PM

unkel wrote: »

That's bizarre. Why didn't they design it specifically to avoid a crash?

I guess it's very hard to always avoid a crash completely. I suppose it will prevent a crash in some/many/most circumstances but it isn't something I am willing to try. Although I did see some old YouTube videos from Tesla Bjørn trying to trick a Model S into doing just that.

Say you're driving your Ioniq very close to the car in front on a motorway and the car in front of you crashes into another car. Do you really think your car will stop?

Sabre Man · 12-03-2018 05:36PM

peposhi wrote: »

How many Teslas are out there in Ireland at the moment. I argued with a colleague of mine who said there are 16 in total... I am 100% sure there are at least a double amount if not triple. I could not provide any sensible data so I left it at that.

Anyone knows the right figures atm?

New registrations for February alone was 23 so your friend is clearly wrong. My guess is between 80 and 100, or at least it will be soon enough.

peposhi · 12-03-2018 05:49PM

Sabre Man wrote: »

New registrations for February alone was 23 so your friend is clearly wrong. My guess is between 80 and 100, or at least it will be soon enough.

Cool! Response already sent

I knew the figures did not make sense ...

spyderski · 12-03-2018 06:01PM

peposhi wrote: »

Cool! Response already sent I knew the figures did not make sense ...

Your colleague is clearly clueless. I was at the Tesla dealership a week or 2 ago and there was the best part of 16 registered cars sitting on the forecourt. I’d agree numbers must be getting up towards 100 at this stage.

unkel · 12-03-2018 06:07PM

Sabre Man wrote: »

Say you're driving your Ioniq very close to the car in front on a motorway

My active cruise control (also a standard feature on Ioniq) won't let me drive very close to the car in front on a motorway

Sabre Man · 12-03-2018 06:19PM

A Model S 75D drove through a wall in a parking garage in Oslo earlier today. The driver died.

https://ap.mnocdn.no/images/3f1487fa-dd94-46d2-a194-8d2c558a187c

unkel · 12-03-2018 06:37PM

Jesus. RIP.

One of those blocks must have gone through the windscreen, killing him

josip · 12-03-2018 06:40PM

unkel wrote: »

That's bizarre. Why didn't they design it specifically to avoid a crash?

Then they wouldn't get you for the repair costs

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