Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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This is wonderful

https://twitter.com/Ollie_Cycles/status/1144407508854988800

homer911

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

This is wonderful

https://twitter.com/Ollie_Cycles/status/1144407508854988800

Car went through an amber light, it was red when the cyclist went through

Hurrache

homer911 wrote: »

Car went through an amber light, it was red when the cyclist went through

Don't know what state that's from, but some parts of America apply the "Idaho Stop" allowing cyclists to treat a red light as a yield so they can go through it if it's safe to do so, with many more about to legislate for it.

If I was to guess I'd say it may be New York and they either already have, or are currently legislating for it.

amcalester

homer911 wrote: »

Car went through an amber light, it was red when the cyclist went through

To be fair if the vehicle hadn’t delayed the cyclist it would have been green.

The vehicle forced the cyclist into running the red.

mistermaster

amcalester wrote: »

The vehicle forced the cyclist into running the red.

Sorry, but is that not like saying that a couple of two-abreast cyclists "forced" a driver to cross a continuous white line, or that a single cyclist taking up primary position "forced" a driver to do a close pass?

Nobody "forces" somebody else to do something like that. The drivers in the examples I give would be choosing to do those things. Just as the guy here ended up choosing to go through a red light.

I'm wondering why he didn't just go round the car when it was stopped and when the light was still green?

blackwhite

Neither party comes out of that video looking particularly well.

magicbastarder

mistermaster wrote: »

Sorry, but is that not like saying that a couple of two-abreast cyclists "forced" a driver to cross a continuous white line

without watching the video again, i am guessing from the above that the cyclist was behind the car? if so, i don't know how you can say the motorist would be any way responsible.

amcalester

mistermaster wrote: »

Sorry, but is that not like saying that a couple of two-abreast cyclists "forced" a driver to cross a continuous white line, or that a single cyclist taking up primary position "forced" a driver to do a close pass?

Nobody "forces" somebody else to do something like that. The drivers in the examples I give would be choosing to do those things. Just as the guy here ended up choosing to go through a red light.

I'm wondering why he didn't just go round the car when it was stopped and when the light was still green?

Your sarcasm detector might need new batteries.

Steoller

mistermaster wrote: »

Sorry, but is that not like saying that a couple of two-abreast cyclists "forced" a driver to cross a continuous white line, or that a single cyclist taking up primary position "forced" a driver to do a close pass?

That is exactly the point.
amcalester is being very droll

mistermaster

amcalester wrote: »

Your sarcasm detector might need new batteries.

Okay, sorry, I'm new here. Looks like I need to tune up the sarcasm sensors a bit more. Thanks for setting me right

p15574

Not a near miss, more a 'hit'. Me, this morning, Donnybrook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viQR7kUblWA

Driver pulled out into the yellow box then stopped dead. I only left the last 40 seconds in to show the driver not bothering to come over to me at all. Not once did he ask me how I was. Driving a Golf TDI, I think he was more pissed off that my body had dented his boy racer car, or that people had witnessed it. Ambulance/fire brigade in attendance, A&E, X-Rays etc but thankfully only battered and bruised - I think.

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p15574 wrote: »

Not a near miss, more a 'hit'. Me, this morning, Donnybrook

Driver pulled out into the yellow box then stopped dead. I only left the last 40 seconds in to show the driver not bothering to come over to me at all. Not once did he ask me how I was. Driving a Golf TDI, I think he was more pissed off that my body had dented his boy racer car, or that people had witnessed it. Ambulance/fire brigade in attendance, A&E, X-Rays etc but thankfully only battered and bruised - I think.

Hope you’re ok, glad it wasn’t more serious. Did he actually just get out, look down at you, and then say nothing? **** sake. Any idea what he was even doing?

Type 17

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

...Any idea what he was even doing?

I live near that junction - all the best TDI drivers do this - they look to see is there a bus/taxi or other motor vehicle coming in the bus lane, and when there isn't, they pull across it and stop to wait for the other lane(s) to clear.
If there is a bus coming, some of them pull across the bike lane and then stop to wait for the bus to pass...


Hope that you and the bike are ok, and well done for nailing his car in the hard-to-fix rear quarter, rather than the quick-fix bolt-on door skin

Seriously ???? I assume someone eventually came to check on you and called for help as you said emergency services were in attendance. So you were just left lying in a heap in the road and he's looking at his car and contemplating the inconvenience of it all with the possibility of a panel beater being needed and what not. Jesus wept, some people.

Glad you're ok and not seriously hurt.

EDIT: Where did the beep come from after the impact? Wasn't him was it?

p15574

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Hope you’re ok, glad it wasn’t more serious. Did he actually just get out, look down at you, and then say nothing? **** sake. Any idea what he was even doing?

Yes, he didn't say a single word to me. It was only on looking at the video that I noticed his momentary glance at me.

p15574

Deleted User wrote: »

Seriously ???? I assume someone eventually came to check on you and called for help as you said emergency services were in attendance. So you were just left lying in a heap in the road and he's looking at his car and contemplating the inconvenience of it all with the possibility of a panel beater being needed and what not. Jesus wept, some people.

Glad you're ok and not seriously hurt.

EDIT: Where did the beep come from after the impact? Wasn't him was it?

Thankfully two very nice ladies, one a driver, came to me within seconds and called the ambulance and stayed with me. Handy that it only had to come about 100m. I still cannot believe that I was lying on the ground for about 10 minutes and he seemed to just be concerned with his car. No bones broken but I do feel like I was hit by a train or something.

No idea about the beep, sorry. Could have been him smashing his steering wheel in frustration about bloody cyclists or something.

amcalester

p15574 wrote: »

Yes, he didn't say a single word to me. It was only on looking at the video that I noticed his momentary glance at me.

Did you get insurance details? Be a real shame if a small claim resulted in his premium skyrocketing.

tuxy

Was it reported? Will there be legal action taken against him?

el Fenomeno

Genuine question and not trolling - I've never cycled as I'm not brave enough to do it in Dublin! But I know that junction very well, and the car is obstructing the cycle lane as you're passing through the pedestrian crossing. It looks like there's loads of time for you to stop. Were you expecting the car to pull out onto the road so you just kept going? It does look like he's about to pull off, but then stops...

Just curious. Obviously he shouldn't be obstructing the cycle lane and is 100% in the wrong. Well aware that I'm asking this as someone who has never sat cheek on a bicycle seat!

amcalester

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Genuine question and not trolling - I've never cycled as I'm not brave enough to do it in Dublin! But I know that junction very well, and the car is obstructing the cycle lane as you're passing through the pedestrian crossing. It looks like there's loads of time for you to stop. Were you expecting the car to pull out onto the road so you just kept going? It does look like he's about to pull off, but then stops...

Just curious. Obviously he shouldn't be obstructing the cycle lane and is 100% in the wrong. Well aware that I'm asking this as someone who has never sat cheek on a bicycle seat!

Less than 2 seconds between the car blocking the lane and the impact, that’s not much time to stop.

tuxy

I'm not from Dublin so had to look it up

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3228757,-6.2381224,3a,75y,191.27h,84.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suNycrkbbPe42YCYV2koufQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

p15574 was past the pedestrian crossing before the golf stopped. No time to react, who would expect a car to just stop and block both the cycle lane and the main traffic lane.

CramCycle

amcalester wrote: »

Less than 2 seconds between the car blocking the lane and the impact, that’s not much time to stop.

I've noticed reviewing a video myself, what felt like no notice in real life, appears like plenty when looking at a video. I'll put up one of my own in awhile.

tuxy

CramCycle wrote: »

I've noticed reviewing a video myself, what felt like no notice in real life, appears like plenty when looking at a video. I'll put up one of my own in awhile.

Another thing to consider is that these cameras used to record are wide angle to maximise how much is seen in the recording. This distortion can make things look further away then they really are.

amcalester

CramCycle wrote: »

I've noticed reviewing a video myself, what felt like no notice in real life, appears like plenty when looking at a video. I'll put up one of my own in awhile.

Yeah, I get that and have experienced it myself. I think it’s because when watching the video you’re expecting something to happen (wouldn’t be watching it otherwise) and so it’s not as surprising.

When you’re ripping along at 25-30kmh you don’t get that forewarning.

magicbastarder

assuming that the distance p15574 had after it became obvious the car was pulling out was 8m, and initial speed was 25km/h (7m/s), the deceleration required would have been about -0.3g. from what i can google, the max you could possibly expect from a bike is 0.5g (mountain bike tyres on tarmac), so it seems the collision was inevitable - and the above does not take reaction times into account.

note that swerving left would have involved mounting a traffic island, and swerving right would have involved swerving out into the path of the car being avoided. not many options open.

amcalester

magicbastarder wrote: »

assuming that the distance p15574 had after it became obvious the car was pulling out was 8m, and initial speed was 25km/h (7m/s), the deceleration required would have been about -0.3g. from what i can google, the max you could possibly expect from a bike is 0.5g (mountain bike tyres on tarmac), so it seems the collision was inevitable - and the above does not take reaction times into account.

note that swerving left would have involved mounting a traffic island, and swerving right would have involved swerving out into the path of the car being avoided. not many options open.

Which would you prefer - going over the handlebars or colliding with the car?

tuxy

amcalester wrote: »

Which would you prefer - going over the handlebars or colliding with the car?

The car I'd say, over the handlebars at that speed can often means your jaw has to be rebuilt with extensive dental work. Less chance of head injury with the car also.

amcalester

tuxy wrote: »

The car I'd say, over the handlebars at that speed can often mean your jaw has to be rebuilt with extensive dental work.

Agreed.

And, it means the driver has to stick around. Otherwise he could just head away.

p15574

amcalester wrote: »

Did you get insurance details? Be a real shame if a small claim resulted in his premium skyrocketing.

I don't have his insurance details but a fireman got his name/phone/reg and have them to me so I'll certainly be giving him a call. I'll be out medical costs and probably damage to the bike. Will probably be up to him as to whether his insurance company finds out. Though his behaviour so far hasn't impressed me, which may reduce my empathy.

tuxy wrote: »

Was it reported? Will there be legal action taken against him?

The fireman said I'll need to report to the Gardaí, as will the other guy. So it certainly will be reported by me anyway. As for legal action, I suppose it'll be up to the guards.

el Fenomeno wrote: »

It looks like there's loads of time for you to stop. Were you expecting the car to pull out onto the road so you just kept going? It does look like he's about to pull off, but then stops...Just curious. Obviously he shouldn't be obstructing the cycle lane and is 100% in the wrong

As has been said, it looks like longer in the video than it actually was in real life. I probably had about a second, and I was on a road bike, holding onto the top handlebars ,and the brakes were on the front (if you get me), so I had to change hand position to brake.

magicbastarder

amcalester wrote: »

Which would you prefer - going over the handlebars or colliding with the car?

not a question with an easy answer. worst i ever came off was when colliding with a car. i've gone over the handlebars without suffering too much damage. but i suspect the latter is much more of a lottery than the former.