Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

John_Rambo

My route is the Clontarf cycle path on the promenade/Alfie Byrne Road/East Wall Road/Church Road and onwards... (Dublin)

I had to drive in for a few days as I had gear to bring in and out work. Twice I witnessed a very very irate girl driving a blue 141 BMW. She's angry, switches lanes, heavy on the horn, lots of hand gestures, pulling on to the wrong side of the road leaning out in her seat to see what the "delay" is etc...

On Thursday I was cycling in. Felt a presence close behind me on the East Wall road, turned around to find a blue bonnet practically under my right thigh. Guess who? Traffic was light, lots of room, no reason for her to be bullying me. I raised my hand in wtf gesture and she gunned the car. I had no option but to mount the kerb. Called traffic watch, explained what happened & a sergeant from Store st. called, took the details and said he'd contact her and call me back.
I'll post again when he does.

ED E

Rechuchote wrote: »

Are the Carriage Office the Garda

See previous page.

homer911

Was heading to go down the side of Herbert Park this morning, between the park and the Dodder. There are two construction yards there at the moment with guys working on flood defences and drainage. As soon as I came around the corner from Donnybrook @ 7:45 I spotted three young lads hanging out and immediately sensed danger, and put on a spurt of speed. One of the lads seemed to step towards my path and it didn't feel right - maybe having 3 lads hanging out there at that time was an obvious concern. I sped past the guys without incident and was glad to be clear of them and slowed down. A moment later an older cyclist catches up with me, very shook, had been shouldered by one of the lads and was nearly knocked off.

Pays to be on your guard, be careful out there, its not just traffic you need to worry about..

Dr_Colossus

Lambay island wrote: »

For anyone interested, Council are putting down Orcas on Custom House Quay this morning. Interested to see how this unfolds with the coaches that regularly park there.

Dr_Colossus wrote: »

Saw this for the first time on the commute this morning and it's probably the most ridiculous piece of road/cycle infrastructure I've seen, more the location than the idea. The bus stop is still in existence and as mentioned it’s only the 2nd half of the quay that is segregated so all the private operators that use the stop and before it as a parking spot will not be curtailed and if there is a bus stopped/parked are you supposed to weave back into the cycle lane after. Wouldn’t like to try that at a reasonable speed.

Are the council completely inept when it comes to roads and maintenance, if they bothered to properly fix the pothole further up towards the light vehicles wouldn’t have the need to veer into the cycle lane avoiding it. In my years commuting I’ve never had a problem with this section of the quays, even with buses parked I’d take the lane from the lights and veer back into the cycle lane after the bus stop.

What great foresight, all removed over the weekend as council have now resurfaced that section of road (one lane mind and only the 2nd half of the quays which had the Orcas installed, in other words a large patch). Remains to be seen whether they'll re-install the Orcas which lasted nearly a month.

Fighting Tao

Interesting one last week. Taxi pulled out of a gate across 2 lanes (illegally due to solid white line) and across me. Then I turn off a side road and a car coming the opposite direction turned in front of me. I had to hit the brakes and swerve around the back. I was annoyed with the 2 incidents within the space of 200 metres that I followed them in the hope of catching them at the next set of lights about 100m away at a crossroads. The lights turned green but I knew they wouldn’t get far and there was a cop car stopped at the lights to the right that was going the same direction. So rather than let it go I caught them within 50m to ask the driver if he saw me. He told me to eff off. So I told him about the cop car stopped behind him. That’s all that I said to him and then cop stopped me and asked was anything up. If he had said sorry I would have gone in my way but he didn’t, and so I explained to the guard what happened. So the driver was approached. I don’t know what he said to the guard but the guard said to me that it will go to court.

Then a RPU car arrived behind the first. The road was fully blocked and the 2 guards took turns talking to the driver. I don’t know what was said but the second came back and said it will go to court and that there are cameras at the junction that the incident happened at.

I went on my way laughing.

hesker

That’s not exactly what you would have expected. Wondering does it herald a change in AGS stance. One can only hope

CramCycle

hesker wrote: »

That’s not exactly what you would have expected. Wondering does it herald a change in AGS stance. One can only hope

Sometimes you get a good Garda, sometimes you don't, nothing more than that.

Fighting Tao

hesker wrote: »

That’s not exactly what you would have expected. Wondering does it herald a change in AGS stance. One can only hope

It’s just pot luck. The first Garda cycles

magicbastarder

not a near miss for me, collided with another cyclist on the way home. no damage done bar a minor bruise, i'd say. cycling past stopped traffic on the east wall road and she popped out in front of me from between two cars. she reckoned she was OK too.

Breezer

They were all out today. Left hook this morning from a woman in an i10 turning across the cycle lane onto a side road. She announced her presence by pulling alongside me in the bus lane with the indictator on first so I had time to slam on the brakes. No other traffic around at all, she could easily have nipped in behind me.

Then on the way home a runner with headphones on runs across a T junction as I arrive at it from the side road, oblivious. I was going to stop anyway but had to brake early. He then notices me and looks very confused, as if I'd appeared from nowhere.

Then I'm at Hart's Corner inbound, taking the bus lane, with stopped traffic in the two general lanes to the right. A fella comes out in his car from the side road to the left meaning to cross the yellow box to swing around outbound, and he's half way across the bus lane before he looks in my direction. I slam on again. He's lucky I wasn't driving a bus and judging by his expression he knew it.

Those disc brakes are starting to seem like a wise investment. A camera might be a good one too I guess. I don't get a whole lot of these incidents but all it takes is one to go wrong...

blackwhite

Breezer wrote: »

They were all out today. Left hook this morning from a woman in an i10 turning across the cycle lane onto a side road. She announced her presence by pulling alongside me in the bus lane with the indictator on first so I had time to slam on the brakes. No other traffic around at all, she could easily have nipped in behind me.

Then on the way home a runner with headphones on runs across a T junction as I arrive at it from the side road, oblivious. I was going to stop anyway but had to brake early. He then notices me and looks very confused, as if I'd appeared from nowhere.

Then I'm at Hart's Corner inbound, taking the bus lane, with stopped traffic in the two general lanes to the right. A fella comes out in his car from the side road to the left meaning to cross the yellow box to swing around outbound, and he's half way across the bus lane before he looks in my direction. I slam on again. He's lucky I wasn't driving a bus and judging by his expression he knew it.

Those disc brakes are starting to seem like a wise investment. A camera might be a good one too I guess. I don't get a whole lot of these incidents but all it takes is one to go wrong...

Just on the jogger one - a pedestrian (or anyone else,) crossing a side road whilst continuing along the main road has right of way over anyone leaving or entering the main carriage way, unless there’s traffic lights or signage to indicate otherwise. They’re understood to be continuing in their “lane” which you are crossing. Same principle in law as the idiot in the i10 left hooking you.

Breezer

blackwhite wrote: »

Just on the jogger one - a pedestrian (or anyone else,) crossing a side road whilst continuing along the main road has right of way over anyone leaving or entering the main carriage way, unless there’s traffic lights or signage to indicate otherwise. They’re understood to be continuing in their “lane” which you are crossing. Same principle in law as the idiot in the i10 left hooking you.

Oh I totally acknowledge this and in fact had a post a while back in Commuting and Transport where I had it out with a Garda who had a go at me for not giving way to him in his car when I was half way across a road (on foot) before he appeared.

I probably didn't explain that very well. I was approaching a stop line and had begun slowing, and at that point the jogger left the path and ran out in front of me without looking, forcing me to brake hard. Had I been further back as he'd left the path he'd have had right of way, as it was I was essentially at the junction before he arrived.

I'm not sure about the "continuing in their lane" bit to be honest. If that were the case the stop line for traffic should be further back, before it 'crosses their lane'. Everyone has a responsibility to pay attention coming up to junctions, with priority ceded to pedestrians if they are already crossing, as I understand it.

Whatever about the law, the responsibility for safety was still on me: I'm traffic, he's a pedestrian. I saw him, stopped and we all moved on without major incident. Had I hit him I reckon I would have been at least partially at fault. But that doesn't mean it wasn't silly behaviour on his part.

blackwhite

blackwhite wrote: »

Just on the jogger one - a pedestrian (or anyone else,) crossing a side road whilst continuing along the main road has right of way over anyone leaving or entering the main carriage way, unless there’s traffic lights or signage to indicate otherwise. They’re understood to be continuing in their “lane” which you are crossing. Same principle in law as the idiot in the i10 left hooking you.

Was only reading this morning about a case in the UK between a pedestrian who stepped onto the road while looking at her phone and a cyclist.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/payout-yoga-teacher-hit-cyclist-crossed-road-looking-phone-427651

dhaughton99

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Was only reading this morning about a case in the UK between a pedestrian who stepped onto the road while looking at her phone and a cyclist.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/payout-yoga-teacher-hit-cyclist-crossed-road-looking-phone-427651

Just after been reading it in the Guardian.
Madness. I’ve twice hit pedestrians badly because they weren’t paying attention and near misses almost daily.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/18/woman-knocked-down-while-on-phone-wins-payout-from-cyclist

AndrewJRenko

Breezer wrote: »

Oh I totally acknowledge this and in fact had a post a while back in Commuting and Transport where I had it out with a Garda who had a go at me for not giving way to him in his car when I was half way across a road (on foot) before he appeared.

I probably didn't explain that very well. I was approaching a stop line and had begun slowing, and at that point the jogger left the path and ran out in front of me without looking, forcing me to brake hard. Had I been further back as he'd left the path he'd have had right of way, as it was I was essentially at the junction before he arrived.

I'm not sure about the "continuing in their lane" bit to be honest. If that were the case the stop line for traffic should be further back, before it 'crosses their lane'. Everyone has a responsibility to pay attention coming up to junctions, with priority ceded to pedestrians if they are already crossing, as I understand it.

Whatever about the law, the responsibility for safety was still on me: I'm traffic, he's a pedestrian. I saw him, stopped and we all moved on without major incident. Had I hit him I reckon I would have been at least partially at fault. But that doesn't mean it wasn't silly behaviour on his part.

Interesting judgement from the UK today;


https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/18/cyclist-ordered-pay-compensation-woman-stepped-front-looking-phone-9996411/

Breezer

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Interesting judgement from the UK today;


https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/18/cyclist-ordered-pay-compensation-woman-stepped-front-looking-phone-9996411/

Pretty much echoes what I said above then. Though I have to say I'd feel hard done by as the cyclist all the same.

magicbastarder

magicbastarder wrote: »

not a near miss for me, collided with another cyclist on the way home. no damage done bar a minor bruise, i'd say. cycling past stopped traffic on the east wall road and she popped out in front of me from between two cars. she reckoned she was OK too.

didn't mention earlier, but got me thinking in the wake of the verdict in the guardian article - this happened here:
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110469885&postcount=8342
i was in the left lane, not on the cycle path. i suspect many people would have held me somewhat at fault for not being on the cycle path.

magicbastarder

dhaughton99 wrote: »

Just after been reading it in the Guardian.
Madness. I’ve twice hit pedestrians badly because they weren’t paying attention and near misses almost daily.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jun/18/woman-knocked-down-while-on-phone-wins-payout-from-cyclist

that judgment begs the question; if the cyclist was also knocked out, and the pedestrian was equally to blame, why doesn't the cyclist get to make the same claim against the pedestrian?

DaveyDave

The judge said that Mr Hazeldean “fell below the level expected of a reasonably competent cyclist in that he proceeded when the road was not completely clear.”

Yeah, because she stepped out in front of a moving vehicle without due care. That doesn't make him an incompetent cyclist. I'm sure he does his best to be careful with city pedestrians like most of us, doesn't mean you can prevent the one time someone walks out in front of you.

Pinch Flat

Motorist nearly took out 3 or 4 cyclists coming across the bridge at Heuston here this morning. Barged on through the yield triangle. He didn't seem to see what the problem was, totally car blind.

https://goo.gl/maps/cj2eJT3Ana93BjF67

blackwhite

Got (lightly) hit by a seagull this morning :eek:

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3398819,-6.2275726,3a,75y,208.23h,98.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stKRQwJ0Jh2q-VWAscecnNQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Coming along the path along the Dodder and 5/6 seagulls came up and low over the wall - assume they'd been sitting on the river.
Bang to the helmet from one of them - caused a big wobble but didn't come off. Lucky that I was braking in advance of the kerb to come onto the road.

Lad coming behind caught up to me at top of the road whilst waiting to cross, and he had a camera on his handlebars. If you're on here feel free to upload the video :pac:

Seth Brundle

I was in back Freiburg (in Germany) for a few days with work this week. It is always amazing to see the approach used there and how it (generally*) works.
For those of you unaware of it, it is a university city with excellent public transport (train, tram and bus) and an absolutely brilliant cycle network. The cycling infrastructure includes a mix on segregated and non-segregated cycle lanes.
It works because vehicles actually yield to cyclists where appropriate. There are loads of places to park bicycles.

In the image below, cyclists leave the cycle path where I'm standing and back onto the road (on the red surface). Traffic in the rightmost lane (to my left) wanting to turn right actually yield to cyclists to the point that most cyclists that i observed did not feel the need to check if it was safe to leave the path and onto the red surface...



You can also see that the width of the track is wide enough for a faster bike to overtake a slower one safely.

I would also say that the vast majority of cyclists do not wear a helmet.
I don't think I saw anyone wearing any kind of high-viz crap whilst there.


* Whilst describing to a colleague how wonderful this infrastructure was, I saw a car turning right almost take out a cyclist. They were however the exception which I haven't seen here before.

francois

Deleted User wrote: »

Was only reading this morning about a case in the UK between a pedestrian who stepped onto the road while looking at her phone and a cyclist.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/payout-yoga-teacher-hit-cyclist-crossed-road-looking-phone-427651

Not sure if this has been posted up before

CramCycle

Not a near miss for me, cyclist who I had overtaken in their nice gear, decided as I was stopped at lights to go around me. I ignored it but as the lights changed they tried to scoot across the road to beat the crossing lights. Missed the driver beating the amber/red. Missed having to call an ambulance by the narrowest of margins. Both were at fault for not paying attention, breaking the rules. Later down the road, a cargo bike in front of me coming into one of those shared spaces near a bus stop. Yield sign on the ground but they didn't really slow. Ped with headphones walked in front, they stopped, sort of, but a pedestrian at the bus stop pointed out the yield sign. Cargo bike rider hung their head, and acknowledged it, but the cyclists from earlier was just behind me just started shouting at the peds it was a bike lane, which it wasn't. This one person successfully turned 20 people against those pesky cyclists, even though they were repeatedly in the wrong.

xckjoo

francois wrote: »

Not sure if this has been posted up before

What a knob. He's the same type of c1nt that would close pass you in a car because he feels like you've slowed him down

DaveyDave

Your man's such a knob in that horn video. I completely understand the need for one as people are flat out just walking on the road but something a bit quieter maybe. I understand he's probably fed up of people walking in the bike lanes but still.

When I used an Airzound I probably had it half volume and would only give a quick toot on approach. The high pitch was enough to get people's attention but at a reasonable volume. Hate people laying on the horn.

average_runner

Breezer wrote: »

Pretty much echoes what I said above then. Though I have to say I'd feel hard done by as the cyclist all the same.

As said on this forum in the past, road users are expected to stop at any time.
It's not realistic but you will get some people posting a car should be able to stop at any time!


Insurance wise, once a pedestrian steps on to the road they will win the case.

average_runner

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Motorist nearly took out 3 or 4 cyclists coming across the bridge at Heuston here this morning. Barged on through the yield triangle. He didn't seem to see what the problem was, totally car blind.

https://goo.gl/maps/cj2eJT3Ana93BjF67

No one seems to obey that yield. Often seen motorbikes, cars and cyclists pushing on ahead in front of a bus and then wondering why the bus blows them out of it.

blackwhite

DaveyDave wrote: »

Your man's such a knob in that horn video. I completely understand the need for one as people are flat out just walking on the road but something a bit quieter maybe. I understand he's probably fed up of people walking in the bike lanes but still.

When I used an Airzound I probably had it half volume and would only give a quick toot on approach. The high pitch was enough to get people's attention but at a reasonable volume. Hate people laying on the horn.

I can understand the desire for using the air horn (and even the benefit in cases where pedestrians have headphones on), but that guy seems to be trying to get as close as possible before blowing it to try and scare people.

Add in the couple of times in the video where he's blowing it at pedestrians in shared space areas, and you get the sum total of an ignorant c*nt.

Some people are ar*seholes regardless of mode of transport, and this guy is undoubtedly one of them.

AndrewJRenko

DaveyDave wrote: »

The judge said that Mr Hazeldean “fell below the level expected of a reasonably competent cyclist in that he proceeded when the road was not completely clear.”

Yeah, because she stepped out in front of a moving vehicle without due care. That doesn't make him an incompetent cyclist. I'm sure he does his best to be careful with city pedestrians like most of us, doesn't mean you can prevent the one time someone walks out in front of you.

The cyclist should have driven a car instead, to get away with killing the pedestrian

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/cheltenham-news/delivery-driver-mark-hale-given-2354566