Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

RacoonQueen

Blackglen road today and a car coming from opposite me beeps...I know what that means on the Blackglen road, some idiot is overtaking on a blind bend and solid white line. His response to the beep, come back in right on top of me at speed. There was a pedestrian walking on the road towards us (on our side obviously) who just looked at me knowingly (I did respond let out a vocal f***ing dickhead to the driver - that is my token reaction to this sh*t)

Was also driving along here today myself closer to lambs cross and a pedestrian was coming against me, there is a broken white line here but there were cars coming in the other direction, so I slowed to pass the pedestrian with y'know a bit less speed and a bit more care. I mean, it's really not that hard to do if you don't have space to move out. Just slow the fu*k down.

sy_flembeck

More an anecdote than a near miss per se.
This morninig I left Bray and did one of my regular sub 50km loops. Traffic was the same as any other Sunday. Not only did I have absolutely no issues whatsoever while out I got astonishing space and patience behind me all the way round by absolutely every driver. When returning to Bray I crossed the N11 at Kilcroney and heard a car patiently waiting behind me. Then I heard a car horn blowing. It was a car coming opposite unhappy with the space I was being afforded which meant the car passing me encroached on their lane.

Why was this? Well, I reckon it was because it was the first time this season I'd worn my 'Stayin' Alive at 1.5' gilet with the camera logo on the back.

Nothing says give me space like the three magical words 'RECORDING MY RIDE'

Pinch Flat

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Blackglen road today and a car coming from opposite me beeps...I know what that means on the Blackglen road, some idiot is overtaking on a blind bend and solid white line. His response to the beep, come back in right on top of me at speed. There was a pedestrian walking on the road towards us (on our side obviously) who just looked at me knowingly (I did respond let out a vocal f***ing dickhead to the driver - that is my token reaction to this sh*t)

Was also driving along here today myself closer to lambs cross and a pedestrian was coming against me, there is a broken white line here but there were cars coming in the other direction, so I slowed to pass the pedestrian with y'know a bit less speed and a bit more care. I mean, it's really not that hard to do if you don't have space to move out. Just slow the fu*k down.

Usually on Sunday morning this type of driving is because of something urgent and life threatening. You know, picking up the news paper, heading to the local shooting centre or getting to breakfast at a local cafe. Motorists simply cannot be expected to drive reasonably and safely in these critical scenarios.

AndrewJRenko

Cyclist down on Clonskeagh Road this morning - ambulance attending and fire brigade arrived as I passed. No thanks to the lady cyclist who ignored the fire brigade attempting to cross traffic and pushed through on her journey.

From my fly-by diagnosis, it looked like a fractured collar bone.

mrcheez

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Cyclist down on Clonskeagh Road this morning - ambulance attending and fire brigade arrived as I passed. No thanks to the lady cyclist who ignored the fire brigade attempting to cross traffic and pushed through on her journey.

From my fly-by diagnosis, it looked like a fractured collar bone.

Why do the fire brigade get involved in these types of incidents?

amcalester

mrcheez wrote: »

Why do the fire brigade get involved in these types of incidents?

Aren't they all trained paramedics too?

And you never know who or what equipment might be needed at a RTC.

mrcheez

amcalester wrote: »

Aren't they all trained paramedics too?

And you never know who or what equipment might be needed at a RTC.

I guess, I would have assumed the ambulance would have had all required equipment/staff.

CramCycle

mrcheez wrote: »

I guess, I would have assumed the ambulance would have had all required equipment/staff.

The Fire Brigade run many of the ambulances in Dublin, it is more likely only an Ambulance was called but a Fire truck was the closest responder from Donnybrook. This is common to speed up treatment, also if reported as an RTA, they may have sent one as a precautionary measure.

mr spuckler

mrcheez wrote: »

Why do the fire brigade get involved in these types of incidents?

as well as the fire brigade having much more specialised equipment, my second hand info is that ambulance paramedics aren't trained / insured for certain issues such as spinal injuries.
at least that's what they told my brother when he fractured a couple of vertebrae a few years ago - the ambulance arrived and the ambulance paramedics wouldn't touch him once they'd assessed his injuries, they called the fire brigade who then tended to him.

amcalester

mrcheez wrote: »

I guess, I would have assumed the ambulance would have had all required equipment/staff.

They'd have first aid equipment, but what if the injured party is under a truck, or stuck inside a vehicle.

Plenty of scenarios where the fire brigade's expertise would be required and you probably can't rely on Joe Public to make that call when calling the emergency services.

mrcheez

Interesting, learn something new .. thankfully I haven't yet been in a situation where I had to get a Fire Brigade called for me, or anyone I knew so was unaware of this.

TallGlass

CramCycle wrote: »

The Fire Brigade run many of the ambulances in Dublin, it is more likely only an Ambulance was called but a Fire truck was the closest responder from Donnybrook. This is common to speed up treatment, also if reported as an RTA, they may have sent one as a precautionary measure.

Usually an appliance will come, I have notice from any of the times I have rang (in Dublin mind you, this was DFB), usually the appliance comes first and then the ambulance. Might be an approach of better to be over prepared than under. They won't know the severity of the injuries too. Spinal injuries if I recall there are certain number of people needed for the moves, 2 people in the ambulance might not be able.

As someone said too, chances are the ambulance is on the road and the nearest is the appliance to go out, but I wouldn't worry on seeing it arrive, it's a fully equipped ambulance (only thing it can't do is carry) and all are trained paramedics (again DFB, not sure on the other brigades).

Weepsie

As above, they will dispatch the closest available, which is more often than not a DFB. I had a DFB come in February, and do all the prelim stuff until the ambulance was available.

Hurrache

mr spuckler wrote: »

as well as the fire brigade having much more specialised equipment, my second hand info is that ambulance paramedics aren't trained / insured for certain issues such as spinal injuries.
at least that's what they told my brother when he fractured a couple of vertebrae a few years ago - the ambulance arrived and the ambulance paramedics wouldn't touch him once they'd assessed his injuries, they called the fire brigade who then tended to him.

In Dublin the guys are one and the same, could be in an appliance one day, the ambulance the next.

mr spuckler

Hurrache wrote: »

In Dublin the guys are one and the same, could be in an appliance one day, the ambulance the next.

strange then as that example was in Dublin, maybe 15+ years ago. maybe it was more equipment related but he was very clear that they said it was more than that.

CramCycle

I wonder would they make you tea and toast as they wait for the Ambulance, or would that depend on what appliance they brought with them to the call :pac:

Hurrache

mr spuckler wrote: »

strange then as that example was in Dublin, maybe 15+ years ago. maybe it was more equipment related but he was very clear that they said it was more than that.

As long as I can remember they've operated like that, certainly 15-20 years ago. Maybe they just didn't have the equipment on board that particular ambulance as you suggest, or it wasn't a DFB crew?

TallGlass

mr spuckler wrote: »

strange then as that example was in Dublin, maybe 15+ years ago. maybe it was more equipment related but he was very clear that they said it was more than that.

We would need a bit more info on what you mention to give you an answer.

TallGlass

CramCycle wrote: »

I wonder would they make you tea and toast as they wait for the Ambulance, or would that depend on what appliance they brought with them to the call :pac:

No eating or drinking if your hurt :pac:

mr spuckler

TallGlass wrote: »

We would need a bit more info on what you mention to give you an answer.

I didn't ask a question :pac:

magicbastarder

a cyclist was knocked down outside my house last year - was a fire tender which arrived. when one of the firemen was happy that the other guys had the situation under control, he took out a consaw and cut down the bent traffic sign the car also hit. so they're a bit more of a swiss army knife option than an ambulance.

I was overtaken by a Darby O'Gills coach heading up to Enniskerry from the N11 on Saturday morning. Dickhead obviously thought he was driving a mini and not a coach, because he overtook where he clearly couldn't see far enough ahead and then decided to pull in on me and force me in to the kerb. I actually thought I might have to bail at one point, he was that close.

I nearly caught up with him in Enniskerry as well, where it appeared he was causing chaos by not knowing where he was going or what he was doing. The fact he was trying to park on the side of the road by the crossing, does reinforce my earlier assumption that the driver forgot what vehicle he was driving.

or maybe he was just a dick.

CramCycle

Report him to the company, the fact that you are reporting him for multiple things, they might pay more head, rather than think it is a random rant.

ED E

I'm a Firefighter/Paramedic, AMA wrote:

To answer your other question, the combined fire/EMS system is world renowned as the best system. The city in the world with the best "out of hospital, cardiac arrest" survival rate is Seattle. Second best is Dublin. This means if your heart was to stop beating for whatever reason, and you weren't in a hospital, the only city with a better survival rate than Dublin, is Seattle. This is a combination of reduced response times, and all the firefighters being paramedics. It's a huge influence on survival percentages!

Bold is mine. This is why they roll appliances rather than have them sit about waiting for RTCs and fires only.

CramCycle

ED E wrote: »

Bold is mine. This is why they roll appliances rather than have them sit about waiting for RTCs and fires only.

My uncle died of a Heart issues in the Ambulance and it was actually a neighbour who was a fireman/paramedic in the Van with him, and as you said, in his 20years at it, he couldn't recall losing someone on the way to the hospital once they had the heart going again.

Weepsie

Not a near miss with a bike, but just saw a car speed through a level crossing as the ate was closing. They are now sitting in traffic maybe 150 m up the road.

Moronic

rushfan

mrcheez wrote:

Why do the fire brigade get involved in these types of incidents?

Another reason the fire brigade get involved is in the event that a spinal lift is required. Plenty of specialist equipment carried on the tenders for any eventuality.

TallGlass

Weepsie wrote: »

Not a near miss with a bike, but just saw a car speed through a level crossing as the ate was closing. They are now sitting in traffic maybe 150 m up the road.

Moronic

Never stops, see it all the time on the bike, car or motorbike. Person drives on past the amber and or red, only to drive right into a yellow box and block the entire thing up causing chaos for everyone else.

I bet if everyone followed the rules as they should the traffic would actually flow better. Will never happen however some people are of the option they are above everyone else and do as they please.

silverharp

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Cyclist down on Clonskeagh Road this morning - ambulance attending and fire brigade arrived as I passed. No thanks to the lady cyclist who ignored the fire brigade attempting to cross traffic and pushed through on her journey.

From my fly-by diagnosis, it looked like a fractured collar bone.

my wife saw that happen, muppet driver pulled out onto the main road without looking, cyclist 100% in the right, she said the cyclist was doing some speed (downhill part) but might have had a chance to hit the breaks

AndrewJRenko

ED E wrote: »

Members of the public can report traffic-related incidents using the Traffic Watch lo-call number 1890 205 805. These calls are answered and logged by civilian personnel at the Garda Information Services Centre, Castlebar, Mayo F23 D303. The incident is then forwarded to the relevant District Officer (Superintendent) for investigation.

You call.
Local Super assigns it to a lackie
Lackie calls you
Lackie turns up at drivers door for a chat.

I've always tried to give a formal statement to Lackie first. It's a PITA, but I hope it gets them to take it more seriously.


Having said that, my last experience was giving a statement and video showing the driver with his phone in his hand five times over the course of a few minutes. I was even able to identify the brand/family of phone.



The Garda who dealt with the matter (who wasn't the Garda that I gave the statement to) called me declining to prosecute.


Garda: Well you see, that could be any kind of device in his hand, not necessarily a phone.
AJR: What kind of device do you think it was, Garda?
Garda: I don't have to answer to you.

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

The guards *may* seize the camera and storage if it's considered serious enough. My suggestion would be a quick call to traffic watch who will forward it on to the local station for a word with the driver.

I've never heard of this happening. Just make sure you've got the video off the camera onto temporary storage, like a DVD/R or similar and there is no reason for them to want the camera.

Hurrache wrote: »

As long as I can remember they've operated like that, certainly 15-20 years ago. Maybe they just didn't have the equipment on board that particular ambulance as you suggest, or it wasn't a DFB crew?

They seem to send a fire tender to every ambulance job now. On their fly-on-the-wall series on TV a few years back, they sent the fire tender to a purely domestic job, person had collapsed in the house. I presume there is an evidence base to support this approach. It's good to hear that stats about 2nd to Seattle.