€300M Investment into Waterford City

Mulbert

Looks better than empty space.

Johnboy1951

vriesmays wrote: »

It will spoil the view of the Ard rí.

wakka12

Mulbert wrote: »

Looks better than empty space.

I cant say I agree in this instance tbh

Harry Palmr

mooseknunkle wrote: »

http://193.178.30.153/iDocsWebDPSS/ViewFiles.aspx?docid=421621&format=jpeg

Not loading for me in any browser, desktop or android.

I've seen plenty of artists impressions and none of them are probably that accurate.

wakka12

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Not loading for me in any browser, desktop or android.

I've seen plenty of artists impressions and none of them are probably that accurate.

It's not an artist impression, its a planning document photomontage which must as accurately as possible portray how the building will look

Harry Palmr

Fair enough. I did comment previously that the blocks looked utilitarian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGbqb16YjqI

mooseknunkle

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Not loading for me in any browser, desktop or android.

I've seen plenty of artists impressions and none of them are probably that accurate.

Its all in here

http://193.178.30.153/iDocsWebDPSS/copyright.aspx?catalog=planning&id=19928

vriesmays

What's an energy centre.

mooseknunkle

vriesmays wrote: »

What's an energy centre.

BLOCK E – ENERGY CENTRE
• A new low rise stand-alone energy centre building
at (1,089 sq m GFA) the western end of the site.
• To manage electrical energy generated on site and
purchased from external energy providers and to
distribute it to the Hotel and the various Retail uses.
• Provision for future expansion to include distributing
energy to the Offices and Residential Apartments.
• The Energy Centre contains: An Electrical Generator
Compound, Boilers, Pump Headers, Pressure Units,
Ice Banks, Rainwater Storage Tanks, Cold Water
Storage Tank, Sprinkler Tank, Other Facilities

MoashoaM

Well, there's always next generation to change it.

Dexpat

jelutong wrote: »

The tower blocks look pretty ugly. Bound to be lots of objections to the development.

I must say it doesn't look great from the views given although they are renders so it's always difficult to tell. The quality of the materials/cladding will be important. Colours in buildings can be good if done correctly but here it seems to be a bit jarring.

I like the promenade shown in the walk through video as it allows the development to relate to the existing city rather than turning into a stand alone 'ghetto'.

As its's a strategic development zone no objections are allowed, (except for complaining on boards) so it will come down to the council planners. I see the planners intend deal with it as they would any other development and have committed to a seven week period to make a decision. Sounds ambitious.

fricatus

Dexpat wrote: »

I must say it doesn't look great from the views given although they are renders so it's always difficult to tell. The quality of the materials/cladding will be important. Colours in buildings can be good if done correctly but here it seems to be a bit jarring.

I agree - this detail will be key. The finish on Maritana Gate for example is really good and the building has aged well as a result.

Dexpat wrote: »

I like the promenade shown in the walk through video as it allows the development to relate to the existing city rather than turning into a stand alone 'ghetto'.

I think a walk along this south-facing prom with the "old city" across the river has the potential to be a real joy!

Dexpat wrote: »

As its's a strategic development zone no objections are allowed, (except for complaining on boards

Not strictly true - people could have objected to the SDZ, but you're right, the time for objections is now behind us. TBH it's a good way of doing things for big developments. Imagine if vexatious objectors (won't name any here, but we all remember one from about 10 years ago) were able to stand in the way of a €500 million brownfield site redevelopment. :eek:

Dexpat wrote: »

I see the planners intend deal with it as they would any other development and have committed to a seven week period to make a decision. Sounds ambitious.

Just guessing here, but I'd say the council has been working so closely with Falcon and so long on this, that the planning department will only have to check that the application reflects what had been agreed in prior discussions.

BBM77

fricatus wrote: »

I agree - this detail will be key. The finish on Maritana Gate for example is really good and the building has aged well as a result.




I think a walk along this south-facing prom with the "old city" across the river has the potential to be a real joy!




Not strictly true - people could have objected to the SDZ, but you're right, the time for objections is now behind us. TBH it's a good way of doing things for big developments. Imagine if vexatious objectors (won't name any here, but we all remember one from about 10 years ago) were able to stand in the way of a €500 million brownfield site redevelopment. :eek:




Just guessing here, but I'd say the council has been working so closely with Falcon and so long on this, that the planning department will only have to check that the application reflects what had been agreed in prior discussions.

Thank god for that. What has come out about the Tower Hotel today shows what a complete lottery ABP decisions are.

Dunmoreroader

mooseknunkle wrote: »

BLOCK E – ENERGY CENTRE
• A new low rise stand-alone energy centre building
at (1,089 sq m GFA) the western end of the site.
• To manage electrical energy generated on site and
purchased from external energy providers and to
distribute it to the Hotel and the various Retail uses.
• Provision for future expansion to include distributing
energy to the Offices and Residential Apartments.
• The Energy Centre contains: An Electrical Generator
Compound, Boilers, Pump Headers, Pressure Units,
Ice Banks, Rainwater Storage Tanks, Cold Water
Storage Tank, Sprinkler Tank, Other Facilities

From looking at the individual drawings for the different buildings, they are mostly going to be covered in arrays of solar panels thus the Energy centre building to manage it all.

Johnboy1951

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

From looking at the individual drawings for the different buildings, they are mostly going to be covered in arrays of solar panels thus the Energy centre building to manage it all.

Is there any indication of them getting heat from the river water using heat exchange units which might be beneficial to the hotel and offices etc?

Dunmoreroader

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Is there any indication of them getting heat from the river water using heat exchange units which might be beneficial to the hotel and offices etc?

Didn't see any mention in the architectural drawings I looked at but there's tons of documents available to be viewed online like the Mech./Elec. drawings/plans for you to peruse over the Xmas holidays when you get fed up of watching Home Alone 2 for the 20th time!

Waterboy2014

The more I look at the design the more I like it. But like others have said, the final use of materials will tell a lot.

jelutong

Legoland by the Suir.

Johnboy1951

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

Didn't see any mention in the architectural drawings I looked at but there's tons of documents available to be viewed online like the Mech./Elec. drawings/plans for you to peruse over the Xmas holidays when you get fed up of watching Home Alone 2 for the 20th time!

I had a quick look through where I thought I might find something, but finding nothing relevant I asked.

I doubt I will either watch HomeAlone2 or search those files again over the hols

fricatus

According to this, the planning application should be viewable online:

https://twitter.com/WaterfordCounci/status/1207684492074405888

I'm just getting the e-planning search page, and when I look for 19-928, I just get "no results". Anyone got a reliable link?

JohnC.

fricatus wrote: »

According to this, the planning application should be viewable online:

I'm just getting the e-planning search page, and when I look for 19-928, I just get "no results". Anyone got a reliable link?

http://193.178.30.153/iDocsWebDPSS/copyright.aspx?catalog=planning&id=19928

fricatus

JohnC. wrote: »

http://193.178.30.153/iDocsWebDPSS/copyright.aspx?catalog=planning&id=19928

Thanks for that... I know I shouldn't be surprised (given that it's a planning application and all...), but the level of detail in the few files I've looked at is savage! This is what they were doing when we were here moaning that "it's all gone very quiet".

Harry Palmr

The thread title should be renamed to €500m Investment into Waterford City as that's the figure I keep seeing now!

Doylers

Wonder if the apartments will be sold pre construction? Very common in Toronto to buy 4/5 years in advance

wakka12

Waterboy2014 wrote: »

The more I look at the design the more I like it. But like others have said, the final use of materials will tell a lot.

It does look better up close I'll admit. But still, I really think it could have been a lot better in 2019, it looks like a regeneration project from the celtic tiger or 90's

Bards

Doylers wrote: »

Wonder if the apartments will be sold pre construction? Very common in Toronto to buy 4/5 years in advance

Im hearing the hoyel is sold, 50%of the apa8arw sold and the offices are 100% sold

snotboogie

Bards wrote: »

Im hearing the hoyel is sold, 50%of the apa8arw sold and the offices are 100% sold

I'd be flabbergasted if that's true. Even in Dublin, its rare to have office projects fully let out before they start construction, if it does happen it is almost always developers with long track records of delivery renting to established companies in Ireland. Outside Dublin it's unheard of, Navigation Square in Cork and Gardens International in Limerick are both struggling with rents after construction.

Harry Palmr

Here is the interview with two of the main people involved with the project (jump to about 6 minutes in as Tiernan is waffling on with his usual 'hale fellow' guff before the serious stuff)

https://www.wlrfm.com/2019/12/19/the-latest-on-waterfords-north-quays-development/#.Xftv63lxz40

Dexpat

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Here is the interview with two of the main people involved with the project (jump to about 6 minutes in as Tiernan is waffling on with his usual 'hale fellow' guff before the serious stuff)

https://www.wlrfm.com/2019/12/19/the-latest-on-waterfords-north-quays-development/#.Xftv63lxz40

Thanks. That was an interesting listen. It seems like it's nearly unstoppable at this point.

They are very confident about the financing and pre-lets of the hotel, retail and offices. The private investement was mentioned at about €400m and with the public money it confims the overall €500m investment.

12 weeks is the timeline for a planning decision and if granted will finally allow Falcon to purchase the site and start signing contracts for pre lets. This then allows them to secure the remaining financing. Falcon are putting in about 40% of the cost themselves.

BBM77

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Here is the interview with two of the main people involved with the project (jump to about 6 minutes in as Tiernan is waffling on with his usual 'hale fellow' guff before the serious stuff)

https://www.wlrfm.com/2019/12/19/the-latest-on-waterfords-north-quays-development/#.Xftv63lxz40

God Tiernan is gloom on legs. He was all how it could not happen. Not how it could.

Great text on that, “Damien, Take a drink from a glass of half full, be positive.”