I've SWITCHed! - General discussion - WARNING IN POST 1

Corholio

amadablam wrote: »

I'm about to order a pro controller but has anyone compared the standard black controller and the Xenoblade one?

Seems to be some people saying there is a difference in the D pad?

Anyone used both?

Some D-Pads, and not all as has been mentioned, seem to have had an input problem where pressing a diagonal direction etc would register another direction. There were reports that the Xenoblade one didn't have this problem but I have read that some odd ones still have the problem.

ShadowHearth

I have to say that Nintendo not putting hdmi port is a bit of miss play.

I am going to my sisters today and taking my switch. Brother in law really wants to see it and play it. Really could not be arsed taking whole dock with me too.
Simple hdmi port would sort out so many problems.
I know you can get those adapters, but I dont have one right now and thats an extra dongle to carry with you.

Inviere

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I have to say that Nintendo not putting hdmi port is a bit of miss play.

I am going to my sisters today and taking my switch. Brother in law really wants to see it and play it. Really could not be arsed taking whole dock with me too.
Simple hdmi port would sort out so many problems.
I know you can get those adapters, but I dont have one right now and thats an extra dongle to carry with you.

Does the dock do any processing or anything? Perhaps the bare Switch needs a helping hand with the higher resolutions seen on tvs, while it can happily manage the 720p needed for the built in screen. Or indeed, is the dock a simple pass through? In which case, 90blips does seem steep for a second one

Star Lord

Inviere wrote: »

Does the dock do any processing or anything? Perhaps the bare Switch needs a helping hand with the higher resolutions seen on tvs, while it can happily manage the 720p needed for the built in screen. Or indeed, is the dock a simple pass through? In which case, 90blips does seem steep for a second one

Nope, it's just stand with power input, HDMI out and USB ports.

It's way too steep for all it is.

sligeach

The price of the dock(€90) is a cod and a con. It's a giant heap of plastic with a few ports, there's probably no more than €30 of tech in it and I'm being extremely generous. But then everything about the Switch is expensive, Joy-Con's, Pro Controller, dock, right down to the games cartridges.

Like the Pro Controller, €75 for a controller that has a dodgy D pad, no headphone port or analogue triggers. But instead added expense for NFC, which is dying and HD Rumble which is a bit of a gimmick. I don't really hear anyone lavishing that with praise.

I said it right at the start, the Switch is expensive, for me, you do need to buy a screen protector, a game, a Pro Controller, a memory card. Then you may need other stuff if you take it out and about. I've already spent well over €400 and I still don't have a Pro Controller(€75) and a memory card(€50 for a decent size).

Yes there are some brilliant games but I see a lot of overpriced ports and indie games where the only noticeable improvement is bump in resolution or an increase in fps. There's my Sunday afternoon rant. I agree it could have had an HDMI port but then it could have had a lot of other things and there are many other criticisms.

MilesMorales1

sligeach wrote: »

The price of the dock(€90) is a cod and a con. It's a giant heap of plastic with a few ports, there's probably no more than €30 of tech in it and I'm being extremely generous. But then everything about the Switch is expensive, Joy-Con's, Pro Controller, dock, right down to the games cartridges.

Like the Pro Controller, €75 for a controller that has a dodgy D pad, no headphone port or analogue triggers. But instead added expense for NFC, which is dying and HD Rumble which is a bit of a gimmick. I don't really hear anyone lavishing that with praise.

I said it right at the start, the Switch is expensive, for me, you do need to buy a screen protector, a game, a Pro Controller, a memory card. Then you may need other stuff if you take it out and about. I've already spent well over €400 and I still don't have a Pro Controller(€75) and a memory card(€50 for a decent size).

Yes there are some brilliant games but I see a lot of overpriced ports and indie games where the only noticeable improvement is bump in resolution or an increase in fps. There's my Sunday afternoon rant. I agree it could have had an HDMI port but then it could have had a lot of other things and there are many other criticisms.

Nope, you are wrong. You either don't need them, or don't need them straight away. I've had a switch since launch (more or less) and still don't have a memory card, zero problems. No screen protector either. Really, a console needs a game to play on it? How odd. Just because you don't like the joy cons personally doesn't make them an awful controller, since you've had (if you've even taken it out of the box yet) one much less time than most of us have, and most of us are happy with them.

So actually, lets see if we include various deals that have been obtainable through the year, you'd need

Console - 305 (Cheapest switch I've seen is 260 pounds a few times)
Game - 50 (Mario for the sake of argument)
Case - I'll grant you that, lets say 15 quid.


Total cost is.... 370 euro!

TitianGerm

sligeach wrote: »

The price of the dock(€90) is a cod and a con. It's a giant heap of plastic with a few ports, there's probably no more than €30 of tech in it and I'm being extremely generous. But then everything about the Switch is expensive, Joy-Con's, Pro Controller, dock, right down to the games cartridges.

Like the Pro Controller, €75 for a controller that has a dodgy D pad, no headphone port or analogue triggers. But instead added expense for NFC, which is dying and HD Rumble which is a bit of a gimmick. I don't really hear anyone lavishing that with praise.

I said it right at the start, the Switch is expensive, for me, you do need to buy a screen protector, a game, a Pro Controller, a memory card. Then you may need other stuff if you take it out and about. I've already spent well over €400 and I still don't have a Pro Controller(€75) and a memory card(€50 for a decent size).

Yes there are some brilliant games but I see a lot of overpriced ports and indie games where the only noticeable improvement is bump in resolution or an increase in fps. There's my Sunday afternoon rant. I agree it could have had an HDMI port but then it could have had a lot of other things and there are many other criticisms.

It's no more expensive than an Xbox or PlayStation though. In most cases both those consoles will need additional storage.

dunworth1

i see cdkeys now have some switch games

https://www.cdkeys.com/nintendo/switch

earthwormjack

Cdkeys have been selling keys since launch I think. Better value to be had just switching eshops though.

Star Lord

sligeach wrote: »

I said it right at the start, the Switch is expensive, for me, you do need to buy a screen protector...

For a console that you're not going to use out of the dock? There, just saved you a few euro. You're welcome!

Corholio

Person complains about product relentlessly.

Person buys said product.

Person continues to complain about said product relentlessly.

It's always humorous when someone complains about Nintendo or other companies being anti-consumer, being 'stingy' or charging high prices to consumers, when some people are just god awful consumers from the start.

ShadowHearth

emmetkenny wrote: »

It's no more expensive than an Xbox or PlayStation though. In most cases both those consoles will need additional storage.

To be fair, now, xbox and playsation works out way cheaper as you can get huge bundles for 300eu. Damn, even bundle xbox I picked up for ratty was like 250eu with all minecraft games, dlc packs and sw bf2, which went to cex unwrapped saving me 50eu extra on bundle.
Its new console, so its expensive, it sells well, so why Nintendo would do anything? If I remember right best black friday seller was switch and it had no deal going at all, full price.
The joys of buying new console close to lauch, you will always pay a lot.

Tipsy McSwagger

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sligeach

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Nope, you are wrong. You either don't need them, or don't need them straight away. I've had a switch since launch (more or less) and still don't have a memory card, zero problems. No screen protector either. Really, a console needs a game to play on it? How odd. Just because you don't like the joy cons personally doesn't make them an awful controller, since you've had (if you've even taken it out of the box yet) one much less time than most of us have, and most of us are happy with them.

So actually, lets see if we include various deals that have been obtainable through the year, you'd need

Console - 305 (Cheapest switch I've seen is 260 pounds a few times)
Game - 50 (Mario for the sake of argument)
Case - I'll grant you that, lets say 15 quid.


Total cost is.... 370 euro!

You're really stretching things there. The price of the Switch is €330. There's only been a few occasions where it's been a little cheaper. A screen protector is an absolute must if you don't want to scratch the screen. A memory card by the day is becoming more and more necessary. The point about a game was that both Wii and Wii U launched with a game included. A lot of the PS4 and XB1 bundles already being cheaper too very often come with a game or 2 included.

TitianGerm

ShadowHearth wrote: »

To be fair, now, xbox and playsation works out way cheaper as you can get huge bundles for 300eu. Damn, even bundle xbox I picked up for ratty was like 250eu with all minecraft games, dlc packs and sw bf2, which went to cex unwrapped saving me 50eu extra on bundle.
Its new console, so its expensive, it sells well, so why Nintendo would do anything? If I remember right best black friday seller was switch and it had no deal going at all, full price.
The joys of buying new console close to lauch, you will always pay a lot.

Both Xbox and PlayStation have been out a long time now so they've launched their scaled down machines (Xbox S and PS4 Slim) and have more than likely reduced manufacturing cost. They would have also hit the point in sales where they wouldn't sell as many units now if the price was still at launch level.

Like you say the Switch is still new and selling well so there is no need to drop the price just yet.

ShadowHearth

emmetkenny wrote: »

Both Xbox and PlayStation have been out a long time now so they've launched their scaled down machines (Xbox S and PS4 Slim) and have more than likely reduced manufacturing cost. They would have also hit the point in sales where they wouldn't sell as many units now if the price was still at launch level.

Like you say the Switch is still new and selling well so there is no need to drop the price just yet.

Thats exactly what said.

CiDeRmAn

sligeach wrote: »

You're really stretching things there. The price of the Switch is €330. There's only been a few occasions where it's been a little cheaper. A screen protector is an absolute must if you don't want to scratch the screen. A memory card by the day is becoming more and more necessary. The point about a game was that both Wii and Wii U launched with a game included. A lot of the PS4 and XB1 bundles already being cheaper too very often come with a game or 2 included.

Nope.
My Switch is there, used hours a day everyday, and has yet to suffer a single scratch.
I have a large number of physical and digital titles, and I have a SD card in there, but it cost about €30.
And that's it.
I've a couple of controllers but none of them essential, the Switch controller is just fine as it is.
No need to sweat the extra expense.
Plus, early adopters are ALWAYS caught, regardless of platform.

TrustedApple

Wait did I miss sowmthing did sligeach get a switch after all his moaning ?.

In regards to day one consoles I paid 330 euros a vita with a 16gb card and a game 6 years ago when it came out ...

450 for my ps4 when it came out with a game ...

MilesMorales1

sligeach wrote: »

You're really stretching things there. The price of the Switch is €330. There's only been a few occasions where it's been a little cheaper. A screen protector is an absolute must if you don't want to scratch the screen. A memory card by the day is becoming more and more necessary. The point about a game was that both Wii and Wii U launched with a game included. A lot of the PS4 and XB1 bundles already being cheaper too very often come with a game or 2 included.

Nope, there's been numerous occasions over the past 9 months where its been reduced. No, a screen protector isn't necessary, at all. My switch is frequently taken outside and used, and hasn't one scratch on it.

iamtony

Poor sligeach ha. He gets hammered with every post I don't use a screen protector or a case to carry mine around and I do it daily and no scratches. I have a pro controller but I don't use it I prefer a joy con per hand now days. And I've yet to put a memory card in it. If I need to I'll rob one out of my 3ds as I don't need it for that either. Xbox one was 500 at launch without a game and if you wanted to play 2 player you had to shell out for a second controller. And batteries!

Nollog

I use a screen protector. Lucky I do too, there's a switch on sale at my local cex for 350 euro I think with a massive scratch right down the middle of the screen. Good luck with that cex.

The back of my switch is a complete mess too, scratches and faded plastic. The dock is an awful design imo.

A screen protector is dirt cheap though considering the cost of a screen, why anyone wouldn't get one is beyond me.

What Nintendo really messed up here is the left joycon. My red Mario Oddyssey joycon has the very same problem the launch joycons shipped with. Months later, their biggest bundle release, still didn't bother to fix a horrible oversight.

CiDeRmAn

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but you are way off Sligeach.
Like most consoles the system as released, plus a game is all a person needs to get started, and they're free to expand it over time, as needs and funds allow.
But to suggest that a person must buy more things and that the buyer is somehow compelled by circumstance to invest more money beyond the initial outlay is simply not factual.
You can spend more, but you don't have to and there's no impediment to playing BotW, MK8DX and Mario Odyssey with the base Switch pack.

Nollog

Corholio wrote: »

Person complains about product relentlessly.

Person buys said product.

Person continues to complain about said product relentlessly.

It's always humorous when someone complains about Nintendo or other companies being anti-consumer, being 'stingy' or charging high prices to consumers, when some people are just god awful consumers from the start.

I bought a PS4 on black Friday. I absolutely hate playstation, for ruining gaming in the mainstream among other reasons I won't go into.

I wanted to play crash bandicoot again.

When I trade it in, Sony may lose a sale to someone who actually might have an interest in their own games, which gives me a bit of pleasure.


I'd hate to live in a world where everyone had to love everything a company ever made, we'd still be gaming on Atari's.

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but you are way off Sligeach.
Like most consoles the system as released, plus a game is all a person needs to get started, and they're free to expand it over time, as needs and funds allow.
But to suggest that a person must buy more things and that the buyer is somehow compelled by circumstance to invest more money beyond the initial outlay is simply not factual.
You can spend more, but you don't have to and there's no impediment to playing BotW, MK8DX and Mario Odyssey with the base Switch pack.

What if you want to play say la noire and any other third party game that requires a download though?
I've barely used my MicroSD card myself, but some people like different things.

sligeach wrote: »

Let's Predict Nintendo's 2018!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_BC-tbGUjM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_BC-tbGUjM

That's the thing, I don't see how 2018 can possibly match this year. When you look at the big franchises, we've had Mario and Zelda, they take years to make, so that's them done for a while(though I'm sure SMO will have DLC announced). Then look at the big games from Wii U, MK8, it's out. Splatoon, the biggest new franchise, the sequel is out.

Then there's Smash Bros. and Super Mario Maker. They're not as huge, still big though, again they're likely to be ports. Yoshi, Kirby, Pikmin 4 they're way down the heavyweight list, they won't be massive system shifters. Metroid Prime 4 isn't a big seller either, it's great for the hardcore but it goes mostly unappreciated by the general public. It's most likely not coming out next year either. That just leaves Pokemon, can't stand it but if it releases next year, it's the one title that can sell hardware. You know Nintendo will be pushing them to have it ready for Christmas next year.

3rd parties, I think Nintendo will need big-time next year. And big 3rd party games, not just ports. Nothing released by them thus far has been truly original, sold well, had proper parity with the competition. With a couple of exceptions. The most successful game has been Mario + Rabbids, a collaboration. I'd guess that Bayonetta 3 is in the same boat as MP4. Let's see if the 3rd parties back up their recent talk(that Namco event is happening tomorrow, well today now). Next month's Nintendo Direct will be hugely important and fascinating to watch, it's likely this side of a month away.

I expect a 2d Mario for Christmas, or Mario maker 2(deluxe).

Watching the game awards has to have us sad, all those trailers, again no Nintendo logos to be seen. We may have yet another third party abyss this gen.


I feel like I'm being overly negative, lol I'm only here because pocket camp is doing the maintenance :pac:

Ace Attorney

Ah sligeach i thought you would soften a bit after getting your switch.

MilesMorales1

/\/ollog wrote: »

I bought a PS4 on black Friday. I absolutely hate playstation, for ruining gaming in the mainstream among other reasons I won't go into.

I wanted to play crash bandicoot again.

When I trade it in, Sony may lose a sale to someone who actually might have an interest in their own games, which gives me a bit of pleasure.


I'd hate to live in a world where everyone had to love everything a company ever made, we'd still be gaming on Atari's.



What if you want to play say la noire and any other third party game that requires a download though?
I've barely used my MicroSD card myself, but some people like different things.



I expect a 2d Mario for Christmas, or Mario maker 2(deluxe).

Watching the game awards has to have us sad, all those trailers, again no Nintendo logos to be seen. We may have yet another third party abyss this gen.


I feel like I'm being overly negative, lol I'm only here because pocket camp is doing the maintenance :pac:

I had LA noire installed on my switch at the same time as Mario, Zelda, Skyrim, about 7 or 8 download games, and I still don't need a memory card. Of course at some point I will need one, but its not an essential day one purchase.

earthwormjack

^^ that's impossible if you're talking digital versions of those games. Zelda alone is about 13gb I think and LA Noire requires more than that as a download if you own the cart. LA Noire as a full digital is 29gb.

Ivefoundgod

In fairness he specifies "7 or 8 download" games so safe to assume the listed ones are physical. Delighted to hear that actually, i'll have MK8, SMO, BotW, Mario & Rabbids and want to get Stardew Valley and Overcooked off the store, was worried i'd have no space for the two download games. Can't wait to get playing it, I finish up Wednesday hoping the better half lets me open it early so I can actually enjoy it on my days off over Christmas.

MilesMorales1

earthwormjack wrote: »

^^ that's impossible if you're talking digital versions of those games. Zelda alone is about 13gb I think and LA Noire requires more than that as a download if you own the cart. LA Noire as a full digital is 29gb.

Nope, the downloaded games are downloads (shocking) and the bigger ones are physical releases.

earthwormjack

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Nope, the downloaded games are downloads (shocking) and the bigger ones are physical releases.

Yeah I get it now. The first sentence threw me off the way it was written was all.

Corholio

/\/ollog wrote: »

I bought a PS4 on black Friday. I absolutely hate playstation, for ruining gaming in the mainstream among other reasons I won't go into.

I wanted to play crash bandicoot again.

When I trade it in, Sony may lose a sale to someone who actually might have an interest in their own games, which gives me a bit of pleasure.


I'd hate to live in a world where everyone had to love everything a company ever made, we'd still be gaming on Atari's.

PS4's were a great deal on Black Friday in fairness. But anyway, if you hated the controller, the lineup of games, the power of the PS4, the online capabilities and almost everything else about the console and you still bought it then I'd consider that being a poor consumer, but I imagine that's not the case. I never said anything about 'everything' a company makes or anything even near that in fairness. We certainly don't have to love everything a company makes but why someone may buy something they have a deep dislike for I have no idea and find it highly hypocritical when they complain about the thing they purchased that they were previously complaining about.