British monarch references painted over on street signs.

ohnonotgmail

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Jesus. Unbelievable squirming or weasling.

Keep digging if you get a kick from it.

and keep on deflecting.

Boom_Bap

or don't post

Seriously, ohnonotgmail and FrancieBrady, give it a rest.

maryishere

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Did I say it was right?

Do you condemn the bombing of Nelsons Pillar in O'Connell st so? Or is it like all Republican bombings, you refuse to condemn it?

LordSutch

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You CANNOT build an empire on the scale of the British one without plundering the lands that you take.
From Elizabeth 1 through James 1 and all the way to the end, the goal was to bring Ireland to heel and align it with England's (Churchill's Motherland) economic needs.

Ireland 'as part of this group of islands' was always bound to be involved in Empire building one way or another. Would have been strange if it hadn't been at the heart of it in the 1800s ....

Roman Empire = Good.
Austro Hungarian Empire = Good.
Mongol Empire = Good.
Ottoman Empire = Good.
Portuguese Empire = Good.
French Empire = Good.
Russian Empire = Good.
Spanish Empire = Good.
Klingon Empire = Good.

British Empire = Bad.
Which is a shame, seeing as the Irish were so heavily involved in building it.

FrancieBrady

LordSutch wrote: »

Ireland 'as part of this group of islands' was always bound to be involved in Empire building one way or another. Would have been strange if it hadn't.

Roman Empire = Good.
Austro Hungarian Empire = Good.
Mongol Empire = Good.
Ottoman Empire = Good.
Portuguese Empire = Good.
French Empire = Good.
Russian Empire = Good.
Spanish Empire = Good.
Klingon Empire = Good.

British Empire = Bad.
Which is a shame, seeing the Irish were so heavily involved in building it.

You claim all the others were 'good'? I am sure those subjugated and resource stripped would probably disagree.

And just because it was 'inevitable' doesn't make it a 'good' thing. Wind and rain are inevitable.

Jawgap

LordSutch wrote: »

Ireland 'as part of this group of islands' was always bound to be involved in Empire building one way or another. Would have been strange if it hadn't been at the heart of it in the 1800s ....

Roman Empire = Good.
Austro Hungarian Empire = Good.
Mongol Empire = Good.
Ottoman Empire = Good.
Portuguese Empire = Good.
French Empire = Good.
Russian Empire = Good.
Spanish Empire = Good.
Klingon Empire = Good.

British Empire = Bad.
Which is a shame, seeing as the Irish were so heavily involved in building it.

They do say, of India, that what Clive won and Hastings consolidated, Wellesley (a good Meath man) turned into an empire!

FrancieBrady

Jawgap wrote: »

They do say, of India, that what Clive won and Hastings consolidated, Wellesley (a good Meath man) turned into an empire!

Born and bred like 99.9% of other Meath men, no doubt.

Irish Guitarist

If they care that much they should come up with their own street name, put it on a sign and replace the old one with it.

Jawgap

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

If they care that much they should come up with their own street name, put it on a sign and replace the old one with it.

Hang on?????


That would mean PAYING for something.......paying :eek:

Shinners, "true" republicans, "good" republicans etc don't pay......they get the rest of us to pay.......while the magic money trees are growing.

FrancieBrady

Jawgap wrote: »

......they get the rest of us to pay.......

Nah, that would be somebody else.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/42-of-europes-banking-crisis-paid-by-ireland-219703.html

VinLieger

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nah, that would be somebody else.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/42-of-europes-banking-crisis-paid-by-ireland-219703.html

Whos deflecting now????

FrancieBrady

VinLieger wrote: »

Whos deflecting now????

Me.
Just responding to the introduction of another favourite trope of those who have run out of anything to say.

Happy to get back on topic though.

Cortina_MK_IV

Jawgap wrote: »

Hang on?????

That would mean PAYING for something.......paying :eek:

Shinners, "true" republicans, "good" republicans etc don't pay......they get the rest of us to pay.......while the magic money trees are growing.

I vote Sinn Féin and I'm into my 38th year of paying taxes. That's quite a bit of paying. Don't let facts get in the way of tired old generalisations though eh.

indioblack

LordSutch wrote: »

Ireland 'as part of this group of islands' was always bound to be involved in Empire building one way or another. Would have been strange if it hadn't been at the heart of it in the 1800s ....

Roman Empire = Good.
Austro Hungarian Empire = Good.
Mongol Empire = Good.
Ottoman Empire = Good.
Portuguese Empire = Good.
French Empire = Good.
Russian Empire = Good.
Spanish Empire = Good.
Klingon Empire = Good.

British Empire = Bad.
Which is a shame, seeing as the Irish were so heavily involved in building it.

The Kilngon Empire was awesome - lasted until the 24th century.

Junkyard Tom

Jawgap wrote: »

while the magic money trees are growing.

When you get the chance you should educate yourself a little on money creation. You'll learn there is indeed a 'magic money tree'. You've probably heard of the term 'quantitative easing'. They've been harvesting magic money trees to the tune of hundreds of billions of €/$/£ since 2008 (and before).

Jawgap

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

When you get the chance you should educate yourself a little on money creation. You'll learn there is indeed a 'magic money tree'. You've probably heard of the term 'quantitative easing'. They've been harvesting magic money trees to the tune of hundreds of billions of €/$/£ since 2008 (and before).

No, need. My economics lecturer some time ago was someone who oversaw the creation (and destruction) of balances for a major non-Euro area European Central Bank. In effect, before he retired, he controlled the money supply for a country.

His lectures were both terrifying and fascinating (in as much as economics lectures can be either).......and this was before QE.

topmanamillion

LordSutch wrote: »

Ireland 'as part of this group of islands' was always bound to be involved in Empire building one way or another. Would have been strange if it hadn't been at the heart of it in the 1800s ....

Roman Empire = Good.
Austro Hungarian Empire = Good.
Mongol Empire = Good.
Ottoman Empire = Good.
Portuguese Empire = Good.
French Empire = Good.
Russian Empire = Good.
Spanish Empire = Good.
Klingon Empire = Good.

British Empire = Bad.
Which is a shame, seeing as the Irish were so heavily involved in building it.

The Roman empire subjugated large portions of the known world. This oppression of people led to the invention of Christianity in Israel as a means of escapism i.e there`s historical evidence that the oppression of Israel led to an environment where monotheism and the relaxing of some off putting Jewish practices such as circumcision prospered. Jesus is thought to be a mythicized combination of a number of prominent holy men of the time.Then the vast Roman empire was the vehicle to carry it around the world. This popularity gave status to Israel which otherwise would have been another Roman outpost. However I digress.
The point I was trying to make here was Rome subjugated Israel in the same way Britain subjugated Ireland. Ireland was never an equal member of the union.

More than any other empire Britain has serious blood on its hands. At a minimum it was negligible in its duty of care to Ireland during the famine, at worst it was outright genocidal. Here was a British state who's citizens were allowed to starve to death while its food was exported by the shipload to feed the mainland British population and maintain the grand diets of landed gentry. Even by the standard of the 1800s, other nations were appalled.

The same absence of duty was evident in the 1960s when nationalists/Catholics were left to live in squallier with basic rights to among other things housing and employment denied to them in an apartheid state ruled by unionists.
This culminated in the civil rights marches and ultimately a bloody 30 year war.

Idealistic imperial thinking which culminated in Britain leaving the EU clearly shows that Britain has not learnt from its history.

Also, Who thinks the Russian empire was good? I suggest you visit eastern Europe and speak with natives in some of those countries. Be sure to speak loudly in a crowded area when you say the Russian empire was good.

FrancieBrady

Jawgap wrote: »

No, need. My economics lecturer some time ago was someone who oversaw the creation (and destruction) of balances for a major non-Euro area European Central Bank. In effect, before he retired, he controlled the money supply for a country.

His lectures were both terrifying and fascinating (in as much as economics lectures can be either).......and this was before QE.

But do you understand that QE is the physical manifestation of 'the magic money tree' and the UK central bank has been doing it? Here's a wee refresher course for you:

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-15198789

Then in August 2016, the Bank of England said it would buy £60bn of UK government bonds and £10bn of corporate bonds, amid uncertainty over the Brexit process and worries about productivity and economic growth.

Funny I don't see the dastardly Republicans/Sinn Fein mentioned in that at all.

Jawgap

FrancieBrady wrote: »

But do you understand that QE is the physical manifestation of 'the magic money tree' and the UK central bank has been doing it? Here's a wee refresher course for you:

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-15198789



Funny I don't see the dastardly Republicans/Sinn Fein mentioned in that at all.

Well no. Central banks have always used various means to control both the supply of money and the velocity with which it circulates. QE is just an extreme and rarely used example of that.

The Shinners Magic Money Tree is a bit like painting over road signs - they hypothecate income streams to a multiplicity of policy areas and hope we forget (or are as dumb as their supporters) the previous iterations that their most recent hypothecations have painted over. In other words, assuming that fiscal revenues are like a tree that can be coppiced.

FrancieBrady

Jawgap wrote: »

Well no. Central banks have always used various means to control both the supply of money and the velocity with which it circulates. QE is just an extreme and rarely used example of that.

The Shinners Magic Money Tree is a bit like painting over road signs - they hypothecate income streams to a multiplicity of policy areas and hope we forget (or are as dumb as their supporters) the previous iterations that their most recent hypothecations have painted over. In other words, assuming that fiscal revenues are like a tree that can be coppiced.

Well I can show with links that QE is neither 'rare' and has been used by countries to shore up otherwise failing entities.
Can you show us links that illustrate your point? Like budgets that haven't been costed?

Jawgap

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well I can show with links that QE is neither 'rare' and has been used by countries to shore up otherwise failing entities.
Can you show us links that illustrate your point? Like budgets that haven't been costed?

Oh, let's not wander too far of the road indicated by the painted over sign.

if you want to discuss this open a thread in the appropriate forum and I'll be along directly - assuming the way there hasn't also been painted over.

FrancieBrady

Jawgap wrote: »

Oh, let's not wander too far of the road indicated by the painted over sign.

if you want to discuss this open a thread in the appropriate forum and I'll be along directly - assuming the way there hasn't also been painted over.

So not prepared to back up what you are saying again while others are. Falling back on old tropes and cliches. Clear as day what is going on, regardless of the whitewash.

Fratton Fred

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well I can show with links that QE is neither 'rare' and has been used by countries to shore up otherwise failing entities.
Can you show us links that illustrate your point? Like budgets that haven't been costed?

QE is a sign of a failing entity?

Anyway, on your last point, have a read of this piece of comedy http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2011/SF_GeneralElectionManifesto2011.pdf

Jawgap

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So not prepared to back up what you are saying again while others are. Falling back on old tropes and cliches. Clear as day what is going on, regardless of the whitewash.

Yeah.....just not in this thread. Not really on topic is it?

.....and just because it's a cliché, doesn' make it untrue

FrancieBrady

Fratton Fred wrote: »

QE is a sign of a failing entity?

Anyway, on your last point, have a read of this piece of comedy http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2011/SF_GeneralElectionManifesto2011.pdf

Just because you find it comedic is not enough though, as you are disposed to finding anything from the republican community comedic.
How does it differ from the policies of the governments who wrecked the country financially is what we are looking for.

Fratton Fred

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Just because you find it comedic is not enough though, as you are disposed to finding anything from the republican community comedic.

Wat's a republican community? is there some sort of republican Kibbutz out in Louth somewhere?

in fairness, there is plenty of things within the republican movement that can be taken the piss out of, because they have so many bat**** crazy (and in a lot of cases, seriously deludeed) supporters.[/quote]

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How does it differ from the policies of the governments who wrecked the country financially is what we are looking for.

it differs in that most parties come out with manifestos that whilst flawed, are at least an attempt in putting forward a serious economic plan. That manifesto was just a desperate attempt to grab a few populist votes from anyone too dim to see through the millions of holes. Such as there not actually being €7bn in the pension pot, for example.

FrancieBrady

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Wat's a republican community? is there some sort of republican Kibbutz out in Louth somewhere?

in fairness, there is plenty of things within the republican movement that can be taken the piss out of, because they have so many bat**** crazy (and in a lot of cases, seriously deludeed) supporters.

Aw Fred, must we play the silly game all the time?

it differs in that most parties come out with manifestos that whilst flawed, are at least an attempt in putting forward a serious economic plan. That manifesto was just a desperate attempt to grab a few populist votes from anyone too dim to see through the millions of holes. Such as there not actually being €7bn in the pension pot, for example.

Would it be similar to 'fiscal space'?

The fact is they are no different to the rest of our political parties unfortunately.
I would not be an advocate of SF economic policy but then I don't see any political party that has ever gotten it right, and some political parties have all the experience to get at least close to it, but have failed again and again, ending in almost collapsing the state.

Junkyard Tom

Jawgap wrote: »

No, need.

Then that just displays the stupidity/futility of your 'magic money tree/SF/Republicans' post seeing as you're aware there is a 'magic money tree' - for private banks at least.

As you were.

Jawgap

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Then that just displays the stupidity/futility of your 'magic money tree/SF/Republicans' post seeing as you're aware there is a 'magic money tree' - for private banks at least.

As you were.

Well, no. You'll see that I clearly distinguish between the concepts that animate central banks' monetary policy and the inability of Shinners to grasp the idea that when you spend a Euro, it's gone - it isn't magically replaced to be spent again......and again.....and again. Unless the Shinners are going to take us out of the Euro, and make our central bank subservient to the whim of the politicians......the Shinners won't appreciate this because they've failed to get into government, but such an approach has, historically speaking, led to sub-optimal outcomes

Del.Monte