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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**
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Floyd via DQOutlaw Pete wrote: »Nothing but pure waffle...........
Look, you made a strawman argument suggesting I was of the belief that decades of experience and training don't "count for much"......... obvious waffling as it's clear from my posts that I respect Mayweather's experience and talent given that I only give McGregor a "slim chance" of winning in the early rounds. As for the trophy saying "Novice": nobody claimed it said anything else and if you had read what I wrote underneath the image you'd have seen that I specifically said:
The point of the image was merely to show that boxing is not "new" to Conor as had been suggested.
With regards to the AMA......... you made a holy show of yourself and came across as a narcissist tbh, more interested in what you were posting than anything John Kavanagh was going to say in response. You were given the chance to pose some questions and all you did was waste it in a clear attempt at trying to impress everyone with self indulgent essays.
What strawman? Your posts are clearly attempting to create a logic-based argument, for why Conor should be given greater respect in a BOXING RING... you simply can't handle that your hero is being written off by people.
It's killing you inside, that people are giving Conor next to no chance in this fight!! "ad hominem"... "strawman"... Are there any more excuses you have up your sleeve, to avoid addressing people's points!? :rolleyes:
What were your questions in that AMA again...?? Can't seem to remember them... were they any good? (Not too memorable I guess) :pac:
I will re-iterate, I am very satisfied with my contribution to that AMA... I don't really give a damn about popularity contests. I don't post on here to be popular, or even well liked... I enjoy reading interesting points. And I like to contribute, by also posting things that make people think or see things from a different angle. (If that rubs a few around here up the wrong way, well tough sh!t... grow a thicker skin!)
Outlaw Pete wrote: »Again you insinuate also that someone has said McGregor has got this fight on merit.... why do you keep doing that when nobody has? Is it the easy thanks your after from the boxing forum clique? Can't be to do with anything else given that nobody has said such a thing. Tbh, walshie, you seem to be taking this all a little personal that Conor has got this fight. Relax, man, it's just a knock.
You seem to put a lot of credence in internet 'likes'...?? You must be one of those people that gets upset when nobody hits the 'like' button on your post...?? :pac:
I'm not really surprised that you're such an unrealistic McGregor fan, with that mentality... It's usually the same people that judge the merits of things in life, by how popular they are.
Dangerous way to live your life....Outlaw Pete wrote: »No, not all of you..... just a one or two.
Eh, we haven't been disagreeing merely because someone said my views on the fight were ridiculous (that's ridiculous). We have, as you well know, been disagreeing because of all the bullshit that's being posted here.......... like saying Mayweather would win with one hand tied behind his back, and how the qualities McGregor's shown so far in MMA bouts are all immaterial given this is now boxing...... or insinuating his punching won't trouble Mayweather because his stance and style in MMA bouts wouldn't work in a Boxing match etc.
Along also of course with the constant strawmanning (nobody believes Conor has the fight on merit ffs or that he should be favourite, nor indeed that Mayweather's three decades of boxing experience mean nothing). Dial all that crap back and we'll all get along swimmingly during the build up............. and indeed, the aftermath.
Why would anyone get so worked up, because someone made a throwaway remark about Mayweather winning with one hand...?
Most people recognised that comment for what it was... but your ego simply couldn't let it go! You had to jump to the defence of your hero... you had to defend his honor! (fanboyism 101)
(For the record, Floyd possibly could win with this fight with one hand... boxers have beaten other top boxers, after breaking their hands during a fight. So it's not an impossible notion - and he certainly has the necessary ability level to pull it off)GerryDerpy wrote: »McGregor now 4-1 on PP. Market disagrees with 99% of the world.
The market is influenced by many factors... people place bets with many different motivations.
Many Irish people will back McGregor, the same way they will back Irish sports teams. Putting your hard earned down, is seen as a sign of loyalty and patriotism by many in this country. It doesn't necessarily indicate that they are all convinced he'll win!
Also, don't forget, Mayweather is hated by a lot of people. (even people who recognise and appreciate his boxing ability)LollipopJimmy wrote: »I'd be fairly sure that Floyd wins but I wouldn't be so sure that I'm willing to put money on it.
I thought Conor would struggle against Siver and Poirier, I was full sure Mendes would destroy Conor and he'd be found out, I was also sure that Aldo schools him... I've learned not to doubt a man that has that much self belief and who works as hard as he does, he messed up with Diaz I but Diaz II was some turnaround.
These MMA guys are animals, it's just plain wrong to assume FM will march on untroubled, yes FM should win but I am not putting my hard earned near that fight.
This post is just evidence that some people should stay away from the bookies... they would see people like you coming a mile off. :pac:
None of that is evidence that we should give Conor more respect in a boxing ring. He's still a novice, who is being thrown into the deep end against a hall of fame boxer!
Hope don't float... and McGregor fans are going to discover this, when Conor starts drowning in the deep end on Aug 27th.
Outlaw Pete wrote: »Not very given that he fights in a way which doesn't play into his opponent's hands.
he will study Floyd try to frustrate him as best he can.
What about not having high level boxing skills? Doesn't that count as "playing into your opponent's hands"... when your opponent is a highly skilled and experienced boxer?
He can study Floyd all he likes...
He studied Diaz before their first fight, yet still made a huge miscalculation by thinking he could knock the guy out inside the early rounds. This is despite most MMA analysts knowing the Diaz brothers are like human punching bags, that you should not try to knock out... (in fact, that's pretty much all they really are tbh)
Then he wised up for the 2nd fight, and did what everyone else does against those guys!! (they might be very tough - but they are also very easy to hit and score points against) But neither fight was impressive, either from a strategic POV or from a technical POV... He struggled in both fights, against a tough journeyman!
What makes you think he won't make a similar blunder in fight strategy against Mayweather??begbysback wrote: »I find it difficult to understand anyone who thinks Mc Gregor has any chance here - it seems just because he took the fight people believe he thinks he can win - I have absolutely no doubt Mc Gregor is purely in this for the dollars, and believe he will admit himself after the fight, and most likely say he had no chance if he is honest about it.
I would be of the same opinion myself.
I don't think McGregor is delusional, like many of his fans. I think he's playing a clever game, building up this persona... his fans and opponents get mesmerized by this, and he watches his bank balance grow ever bigger!
It doesn't hurt him one bit, for his fans to view him as some kind of superhero figure... it's great for business.
Look how many people are obsessed with superhero movies... (many of them adults) Many people are desperate to believe in real life superheroes... they don't care about reality or logic!! They want to believe!! :pac::pac:Outlaw Pete wrote: »I'll tell you something, Mayweather and his camp are going to be in for a surprise when they face off as the stats might have McGregor only having an inch in height over Floyd..... but the stats said that McGregor only had an inch in height over Eddie Alvarez too...........
Not everybody is intimidated or impressed by size...
This isn't a fight, it's a boxing match. If both guys had somewhat comparable skillsets, perhaps size might be a factor... but the gulf in class will be far more impressive, than any slight difference in size!
Tbh, I'm actually looking forward to the pre-fight antics from both guys... could be entertaining!
(I might give the fight itself a miss though...) :P0 -
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Weren't you the poster who got really salty when JK said Asians/Japanese fighters have grappling generally? I may be wrong, but the way you reacted came across as if you have done sort of connection to some Japanese jujitsu variation.ThinkProgress wrote: »I will re-iterate, I am very satisfied with my contribution to that AMA... I don't really give a damn about popularity contests. I don't post on here to be popular, or even well liked... I enjoy reading interesting points. And I like to contribute, by also posting things that make people think or see things from a different angle. (If that rubs a few around here up the wrong way, well tough sh!t... grow a thicker skin!)
Your reaction kind of contradicts what you're saying above about fanboys, idolising and needing a thicker skin?
To be clear, I'm not saying your wrong about people being blinded by fanboyism. I agree with a lot of your post. But I'm saying you did the same. People in those spots dont realise they are doing it. Their logic and equating things on different levels makes sense to them.
Sure Irish people back McGregor out of blind patriotism. But that's a tiny portion of the market, and the odds are the same in America, the UK, Australia, etc.The market is influenced by many factors... people place bets with many different motivations.
Many Irish people will back McGregor, the same way they will back Irish sports teams. Putting your hard earned down, is seen as a sign of loyalty and patriotism by many in this country. It doesn't necessarily indicate that they are all convinced he'll win!
Blind Irish punters aren't moving the line on a global market.
We can't say for sure what his true feelings are on it. Deep down he must know he's not an elite boxer. The same was he knows he's not an elite grappler. He wouldn't be expected to win ADCC.I don't think McGregor is delusional, like many of his fans. I think he's playing a clever game, building up this persona... his fans and opponents get mesmerized by this, and he watches his bank balance grow ever bigger!
It doesn't hurt him one bit, for his fans to view him as some kind of superhero figure... it's great for business.
Look how many people are obsessed with superhero movies... (many of them adults) Many people are desperate to believe in real life superheroes... they don't care about reality or logic!! They want to believe!! :pac::pac:
And the guys who are aren't elite MMA fighters.
What is certain though. He's done a good job creating this situation for himself. The achievement isn't performance based. It's the fact it's even happening. The fact that we're all talking about it, whether we blindly believe or give him no chance. It's still generating more discussion that any "legitmate" fight. And we'll all still watch it.0 -
Floyd via DQWeren't you the poster who got really salty when JK said Asians/Japanese fighters have grappling generally? I may be wrong, but the way you reacted came across as if you have done sort of connection to some Japanese jujitsu variation.
Your reaction kind of contradicts what you're saying above about fanboys, idolising and needing a thicker skin?
To be clear, I'm not saying your wrong about people being blinded by fanboyism. I agree with a lot of your post. But I'm saying you did the same. People in those spots dont realise they are doing it. Their logic and equating things on different levels makes sense to them.
I think you may have misinterpreted those AMA exchanges quite a bit there... actually, I was the one who highlighted Japanese pedigree in grappling arts, after the rather lazy suggestion was made, that Asians are poor at grappling!
(all 3 billion of them, according to JK - and apparently I'm the racist towards Asians!? ffs) :rolleyes:
Just because I possess enough knowledge on the subject, to recognise a lazy (or ill informed) answer when I see one... this does not mean I am some kind of "fanboy" on the subject...
My reaction was purely motivated by what I perceived as a lazy/half a$$ed answer, from someone who you might have been justified in expecting a slightly higher caliber of answer! Simple as that, really...
But hey whatever, it's just an AMA... perhaps my expectations and standards can be a bit too high sometimes. But I would be surprised if I was the only person on that thread, who was a bit disappointed/underwhelmed by the standard of answers... (I am probably just one of the few people that would stick my neck out and react to it - clever old me, eh!?)
It strikes me, that JK did not really have the time or inclination to really do that AMA justice. Most won't really care though... they're just happy he turned up, and tossed out a few answers to his adoring fans!
I guess I just have a different perspective on things. I don't see the point in doing something at all, unless you make a decent stab at it.
Look, I'm not even sure why we're talking about some fairly pointless AMA on this forum?? I find it a bit odd, that a poster felt the need to drag it into this discussion... (straws + clutching?)Sure Irish people back McGregor out of blind patriotism. But that's a tiny portion of the market, and the odds are the same in America, the UK, Australia, etc.
Blind Irish punters aren't moving the line on a global market.
You might have a point. I haven't really looked very deeply into it tbh...
Although, another poster did mention bookie exposure to an upset result as a possible reason?? Perhaps the oddsmakers are adjusting prices, to protect themselves against something?
I know one thing for sure... this fight has been on the cards for much longer than most fans realise. And I have heard that both fighters have been in contact with each other directly on several occasions, to co-ordinate this thing... there is a definite whiff of a broadway production about this.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, so I won't speculate on what that could all mean... but McGregor's odds certainly should be a great deal bigger.We can't say for sure what his true feelings are on it. Deep down he must know he's not an elite boxer. The same was he knows he's not an elite grappler. He wouldn't be expected to win ADCC.
And the guys who are aren't elite MMA fighters.
What is certain though. He's done a good job creating this situation for himself. The achievement isn't performance based. It's the fact it's even happening. The fact that we're all talking about it, whether we blindly believe or give him no chance. It's still generating more discussion that any "legitmate" fight. And we'll all still watch it.
You're right, we don't know the private mind of CM. But I don't think most of his fans see the real personality most of the time... that's my impression anyway. I think he gives them a stage-managed public character!
If you judge him as an entertainment figure... he's done an excellent job. As a sports purist, however, I find it all a bit tiresome at times.
I genuinely won't be paying for this event, or getting the coffee out to stay up at crazy-o-clock to watch it.... I'll probably catch the highlights the next day. It really isn't that big on my agenda. I don't view this as some kind of landmark sporting/entertainment event.
This event, is just a bunch of hucksters and marketing suits playing on the desperation of punters, who want their generation's version of "rumble in the jungle" or "hagler V hearns"... build it, and they will come as the saying goes!! 0 -
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