Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**

yabadabado

Floyd via DQ

I can see PP going to town on this promotion. Be handy money for them some people are just full dopes.

blade1

Draw

Burial. wrote: »

That lad has literally no clue.

That fact that this is even happening says no body has a clue what will happen.
Maybe both camps know.
Call me a cynic,but I for one won't be surprised whatever the outcome.
I'll still watch it though just for the spectacle that it is.

Mellor

Draw

ThinkProgress wrote: »

I think you may have misinterpreted those AMA exchanges quite a bit there... actually, I was the one who highlighted Japanese pedigree in grappling arts, after the rather lazy suggestion was made, that Asians are poor at grappling!

(all 3 billion of them, according to JK - and apparently I'm the racist towards Asians!? ffs) :rolleyes:

Just because I possess enough knowledge on the subject, to recognise a lazy (or ill informed) answer when I see one... this does not mean I am some kind of "fanboy" on the subject...

My reaction was purely motivated by what I perceived as a lazy/half a$ed answer, from someone who you might have been justified in expecting a slightly higher caliber of answer! Simple as that, really...

You're essentially proving my point tbh. John's answer was blunt sure, but that doesn't make it automatically incorrect. He obviously has an extensive grappling knowledge.
Anyone who has any sort of interest in grappling, is aware of the history of various arts. A lot of them are simply not very good. Japanese jujitsu went down to make believe route a century ago. Akido is worse tbh. Just not a lot of solid grappling. And this would be evident up by the last 20 years of grappling and MMA results. It's fairly common knowledge at this point.

So when John disregarded your question bluntly. It was because it was that trivial tbh. 3 billion people, lots of martial artists, lots of fantasy ninjas.


As for why it's relevant. As I said above, it's the same situation here. Some "Conor Fanboy" gets told bluntly that MMA striking is not cut out for elite boxing, and throws a strop. To everyone looking on, it's a fairly reasonable fact. But the blind can't see.

I know one thing for sure... this fight has been on the cards for much longer than most fans realise. And I have heard that both fighters have been in contact with each other directly on several occasions, to co-ordinate this thing... there is a definite whiff of a broadway production about this.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, so I won't speculate on what that could all mean... but McGregor's odds certainly should be a great deal bigger.

They've been in negotiations officially since shortly after UFC205. But Conor mentioned he was chasing the PPV since MayPac.

If you judge him as an entertainment figure... he's done an excellent job. As a sports purist, however, I find it all a bit tiresome at times.

I don't think I he's sporting achievements in MMA are questionable in the slightest.
That's mainly what I judge a fighter on.

Mellor

Draw

colly10 wrote: »

On backing McGregor, was chatting to a lad who put 30 on him...

€30 is pennies overall though. I'm sure there will be lots of lads putting a few notes down for the sweat.
But a random pro gambler, or high roller will easily drop $100k on Mayweather at 1/5

ROCKMAN

On the McGregor Odds coming in ,,I believe part of it can be explained by a false run organised by the bookies to mop up all the small bets in an attempt to off set the big ones on Mayweather and try keep the book balanced in their favour.

Bookies have been known to start a false run often in big Handicaps and watch the small EW punters pile on ,ensuring a better % book for themselves.

Mellor

Draw

ROCKMAN wrote: »

On the McGregor Odds coming in ,,I believe part of it can be explained by a false run organised by the bookies to mop up all the small bets in an attempt to off set the big ones on Mayweather and try keep the book balanced in their favour.

Bookies have been known to start a false run often in big Handicaps and watch the small EW punters pile on ,ensuring a better % book for themselves.

I've heard lot of similar theories. But I'm not convinced. This isn't a large ante post field. It's a two horse race. A false run on McGregor here would, by definition expose lots of value on Mayweather.

If they actually wanted to limit liability on Mayweather, they should simply keep his odds at 1/10. But increasing it to 1/5 they are only enouraging the big punters to lump on.

I've a feeling they are simply happy to lay Conor at 6/1-ish and are passing all the Mayweather bets to the exchanges. If the exchanges dry up I'd expect to see a shift in the bookies sharpish

yabadabado

Floyd via DQ

Is there much liquidity in the win market?

flashforward

8/11 for Mayweather TKO/KO seems the best value Bet bet by a long shot?

Can anyone see any reason not to lump big on this one??

Mellor

Draw

yabadabado wrote: »

Is there much liquidity in the win market?

Don't take these figures as bona fide as I'm going for memory.
But on betfair's win market there is is €4m matched on Floyd, €1.2m match on McGregor. And maybe €250k or more at the best availible price. Full depth of the market is probably millions

colly10

Floyd via KO-TKO

flashforward wrote: »

8/11 for Mayweather TKO/KO seems the best value Bet bet by a long shot?

Can anyone see any reason not to lump big on this one??

Mayweather doesn't look to finish fights, if ye leave out Ortiz it's 10 years since he stopped someone. I'd say he'll feel conor out for the first 2/3, pick it up a bit then and will move to showboating.
McGregor has the chin and determination that he will not want to give up so while it might not be competitive, he'll probably continue to throw enough and defend himself that the ref may not stop this.

I'd think a stoppage is the most likely outcome but I think far from certain

Schwanz

Floyd via DQ

The more I think of this, the more a points win by a mile for Money makes sense.

blade1

Draw

I'll guess a controversial stoppage sets up the rematch.

Too Tough To Die

Floyd via DQ

flashforward wrote: »

8/11 for Mayweather TKO/KO seems the best value Bet bet by a long shot?

Can anyone see any reason not to lump big on this one??

A few reasons.

Hasn't knocked anyone out in years.
Happy to let his skills do the talking, doesn't care what fans expect or want.
Brittle hands, if one of them goes he might just look to preserve them and coast to an easy points victory.

A stoppage is not a sure thing by any stretch, i wouldn't bet the house on it.

Outlaw Pete

Floyd via DQ

ThinkProgress wrote: »

What strawman?

You appear to be unable to follow a simple conversation...... this strawman:

ThinkProgress wrote: »

So, you don't think experience and decades of training in a particular sport counts for much then...?

You're attacking an argument that I never made... classic strawman. I don't think that. Never said it. Never implied it.

Your posts are clearly attempting to create a logic-based argument, for why Conor should be given greater respect in a BOXING RING... you simply can't handle that your hero is being written off by people.

I can't bleive walshb thanked this nonsense.... and even wanted to thank it twice

1) he's not my hero and 2) I am efficiently writing him off myself given that I said he only has slim chance of winning.

It's killing you inside, that people are giving Conor next to no chance in this fight!!

I give him next to no chance (slim is next to none - that's what it means, chief) and so why would it kill me inside for others to do what I've done? You're not making much sense.

Are there any more excuses you have up your sleeve, to avoid addressing people's points!? :rolleyes:

I addressed all points put to me. You're rambling.

What were your questions in that AMA again...?? Can't seem to remember them... were they any good? (Not too memorable I guess) :pac:

Untrue, as users even posted on the thread commenting on John's answers to questions I had asked him regarding not shaking Floyd's hand etc. I also asked him about steroid use and how he would react if he found a fighter using and also how a suicide of one the instructors affected him professionally. Mainly one line questions...... as I didn't arrogantly think questions in the form of essays would be appropriate.

I will re-iterate, I am very satisfied with my contribution to that AMA... I don't really give a damn about popularity contests. I don't post on here to be popular, or even well liked... I enjoy reading interesting points. And I like to contribute, by also posting things that make people think or see things from a different angle. (If that rubs a few around here up the wrong way, well tough sh!t... grow a thicker skin!)

Your constant use of smileys ain't fooling anyone (other than your chums that is). It's clear you are bothered and it's clear you were trying to turn the AMA into being about you and attempting to spotlight what you had to say than showing any real interest in what JK had to say. You act like there were two options, lick John's arse or make the thread about you..... there wasn't thought, there was another option: ask short and to the point questions as the guy is kinda busy right now and we should be appreciative of his time.... love or loathe him. Everyone else managed it, even when they asked tough questions, including wonder. The only one who didn't........ was you.

You seem to put a lot of credence in internet 'likes'...?? You must be one of those people that gets upset when nobody hits the 'like' button on your post...?? :pac:

Yet another smiley.... you're trying so hard to come across as if you're smiling but it's clear you banged all this crap into your keyboard with butthurt aggression. If I wanted likes, I would hardly look for them on a Boxing forum by positing positive things about an mma fighter now would I. Maybe make some sense next time you post.

I'm not really surprised that you're such an unrealistic McGregor fan, with that mentality...

It's not "unrealistic" to give McGregor a "slim chance" of winning or say it's "highly unlikely" that he will win. Go and find someone who thinks McGregor has a very good chance of winning and direct your comments at them maybe. They might make sense then.

Why would anyone get so worked up, because someone made a throwaway remark about Mayweather winning with one hand...?

Firstly, nobody is worked up but you. Yourself and walshie seem obsessed with saying people are worked up or taking things personally when they're not. Secondly, it wasn't a throwaway comment as it has been said in the mma forum also. It's an idiotic thing to say but shows the level of fanboiism we're dealing with here that anywould honestly believe such a thing.

For the record, Floyd possibly could win with this fight with one hand... boxers have beaten other top boxers, after breaking their hands during a fight. So it's not an impossible notion - and he certainly has the necessary ability level to pull it off

So one minute you argue that it was a throwaway comment......... and then the next you are trying to justify and give credence to the moronic opinion that Floyd could win with one fucking arm. Open a window, chief. You're showing signs of oxygen deprivation.

What about not having high level boxing skills? Doesn't that count as "playing into your opponent's hands"... when your opponent is a highly skilled and experienced boxer?

He can study Floyd all he likes...

The point was that there are certain ways of him approaching this fight which would advance his admittedly slim chances of winning. You're not making any good points here. You say merely fighting Floyd is playing into his hands. Seriously, wake up. McGregor will earn more money this fight than he has ever earned before and perhaps will again (on one night at least) and so he's playing into nobody's hands by taking the fight.

Look, most people accept his chances of winning are slim. If you don't want to comment on what tactics you feel might be best for Conor to adopt and which wouldn't, then stay out of the conversation as you're just embarrassing yourself by weakly and predictably sniping from the sidelines saying 'It doesn't matter, he'll get beat no matter what'.

He studied Diaz before their first fight, yet still made a huge miscalculation by thinking he could knock the guy out inside the early rounds. This is despite most MMA analysts knowing the Diaz brothers are like human punching bags, that you should not try to knock out... (in fact, that's pretty much all they really are tbh)

He was under prepared..... was supposed to fight at 155 and within 10 days that was changed to fight at 170.... also had a staph infection in the lead up.

Then he wised up for the 2nd fight, and did what everyone else does against those guys!! (they might be very tough - but they are also very easy to hit and score points against) But neither fight was impressive, either from a strategic POV or from a technical POV... He struggled in both fights, against a tough journeyman!

He put Diaz on his back multiple times. A taller, heavier fighter.

What makes you think he won't make a similar blunder in fight strategy against Mayweather??

He didn't make a blunder.

Not everybody is intimidated or impressed by size...

We'll see.......

This isn't a fight, it's a boxing match.

Wrong, it's a fight. Like I said, inside three and Conor has a slim chance, if it goes to more than that..... then it becomes a boxing match and unless Floyd has been hurt somewhat in those early three rounds, it would then actually become a boxing clinic.

mikeybrennan

flashforward wrote: »

8/11 for Mayweather TKO/KO seems the best value Bet bet by a long shot?

Can anyone see any reason not to lump big on this one??

I would think it's a good bet

normanoffside

Floyd via DQ

flashforward wrote: »

8/11 for Mayweather TKO/KO seems the best value Bet bet by a long shot?

Can anyone see any reason not to lump big on this one??

Make sure you get KO/TKO/DQ.
This bet opened at evens or 6/5 and has been back in. Despite Paddy Power having the best odds on a Mayweather win (2/11) an the shortest odds on Conor (4/1) the Mayweather by KO/TKO/DQ is at 8/13. It looks like they are taking lots of 'smart' money on this and lots of small bets on Conor at the same time.

I still think the odds will drift back so will be holding out for Evens or 10/11 at worst before lumping on this. I can't see any other outcome.

hbhook

Floyd via DQ

Round 1..posing, Round 2..'Mystic Mc realises he may not have dusted of the ol' crystal ball well enough. I'm torn between round 3 and 4 tbh. It is fair to say though that anything can happen. That I'm sure we all can agree on but seriously..

Personally I hope the McG shreds MW in the buildup. He's the one that'll sell the fight. The buildup to MW v Hatton was what actually caught my eye and initially sparked an interest and made me want to follow boxing back in the day...it should be fun. I didn't see the build-up to the Oscar de la Hoya fight but I think MW is quite bland pre-fight.

Apart from the domestic abuse do y'all think there might be anything else that may be contractually a no-go? There are afew things (mostly the Pacquiao story...''mostly'') I ask that because of the fact that there's no Dublin presser. I honestly think MW would find it too hostile!

Dempsey

Floyd via DQ

If Mayweather calls off the fight because of 'no-go' topics then he'll have embarrassed himself tbh

DontThankMe

Conor via DQ

Thinking of backing McGregor to win it in rounds 3 4 and 5? 50-1 on Sky Bet

How much of an idiot would I be to do it?

Burial.

Floyd via DQ

Floyd bland pre fight? Jesus people really have no clue about Mayweather. Conor basically built his trash talking antics off Floyd ffs. The money, the spending, the sheer disrespect for his opponents, the being the lottery ticket guy...

Floyd had him shook. The chicken in the cage with Golden Girl above it and the Olympic medal is the funniest thing I have ever seen in a pre fight presser.

Dempsey

Floyd via DQ

Burial. wrote: »

Floyd bland pre fight? Jesus people really have no clue about Mayweather. Conor basically built his trash talking antics off Floyd ffs. The money, the spending, the sheer disrespect for his opponents, the being the lottery ticket guy...

Floyd had him shook. The chicken in the cage with Golden Girl above it and the Olympic medal is the funniest thing I have ever seen in a pre fight presser.

You'd swear trash talking started with Mayweather :rolleyes:

hbhook

Floyd via DQ

Burial. wrote: »

Floyd bland pre fight? Jesus people really have no clue about Mayweather. Conor basically built his trash talking antics off Floyd ffs. The money, the spending, the sheer disrespect for his opponents, the being the lottery ticket guy...

Floyd had him shook. The chicken in the cage with Golden Girl above it and the Olympic medal is the funniest thing I have ever seen in a pre fight presser.

I said I didn't see the build-up to the ODLH fight. One example is hardly conclusive either. Although I've been told he was brutal to Corrales. I saw someone write the other day that he was usually more of a talker before a fight that he wasn't fully a favourite. I'm hoping McGregor annoys him.
I thought that was just the one-on-one vid of his interview with Merchant so we're even now..

Burial.

Floyd via DQ

Dempsey wrote: »

You'd swear trash talking started with Mayweather :rolleyes:

It didn't but to think McGregor's persona is genesis is just stupid, and to say Floyd is bland and will be shook by the trash talk is worse. Conor's a more articulate white version of Floyd.

Gamebred

Floyd via KO-TKO

McGregor has ripped off everyone from Floyd to Vince McMahon ffs.

hbhook

Floyd via DQ

What exactly is Floyd supposed to say during the build-up is really what I'm asking. Won't MW be trying to make it sound like there's gonna be a contest? I still think this won't sell as well as people think. I suppose the pressers will have a lot to do with it. Is Floyd gonna go straight out and say ''I'm gonna whip yo ass easy'' (sounds more like sr.)...well yeah, you are and everybody knows it.

YFlyer

McGregor will do a Steve Collins.

12gauge dave

Floyd via DQ

When do tickets to weigh in go on sale anyone know? Im going to vegas that weekend but cant afford fight tickets so hoping to get some weigh in tickets if possible?

hbhook

Floyd via DQ

YFlyer wrote: »

McGregor will do a Steve Collins.

that was mind ****ery at it's best

Dempsey

Floyd via DQ

Burial. wrote: »

It didn't but to think McGregor's persona is genesis is just stupid, and to say Floyd is bland and will be shook by the trash talk is worse. Conor's a more articulate white version of Floyd.

Genesis? :rolleyes:

To say that McGregor is copying Mayweathers thrash talking is embarrassing tbh. Sounds like you still only believe in one version of thrash talking .

StringerBell

Floyd via DQ

Would you say he is more in line with Naz trash talking and persona?