Danzy wrote: » McGregor may not be Boxing fit, going 12 rounds in boxing is as grueling an endurance as any sport. It is also a different focus on training. There are different types of fitness, Floyd has been training like an animal for 36 years, muscle memory alone will keep him going and sharp. It is like having a 1500 meter runner do a 10k. For me the visible difference is that McGregor is sticky on his feet for a boxer and his punching combinations are slow and often over reached, a necessity where a kick can come. Also I question his ability to sustain punches, balance. Mayweather will see them and reacted before they even start. Surviving the 12 rounds is a victory, getting hit 20 times for every punch landed in later rounds is also a possibility.
snowflaker wrote: » http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/can-sports-sink-lower-than-mayweather-mcgregor.html?utm_source=tw&utm_medium=s3&utm_campaign=sharebutton-b
walshb wrote: » Nail on the head!
hbhook wrote: » Why has he got such a hard on for boxing? Lots and lots of problems as we know but there's plenty going on in the sport this year. I don't know MMA but there's an awesome fightcard coming up on Sept 9th called 'Super-Fly'. It's a mouth watering event. Check out question and answer number 1 https://www.ringtv.com/504251-dougies-friday-mailbag-116/ Mayweather, McGregor and all the people that don't really understand or care about either sport are what are making this happen. Hey, even I'm making it happen. It's a leave your brain at the door type of thing mostly. I'm not being forced into it. I suppose if he wants to blame someone or be angry at it's Mayweather. He doesn't give a **** and purposely scheduled the fight to **** with Canelo/GGG Idk, maybe it hit a sore spot.
Danzy wrote: » That writer comes across as the type of progressive snob that made life long Democrats want to vote Trump.
walshb wrote: » He is still calling this as we all truly know it it. A BS circus masquerading as sport! A circus that I will nonetheless watch..and likely he will too. Instead of slating the writer point out where he is so off the mark?
Danzy wrote: » A similar take on it.https://deadspin.com/floyd-mayweather-vs-conor-mcgregor-is-the-second-bigge-1797272009 "This is none of my concern, and how the idiots on the Nevada Commission board enrich themselves and bring revenue to the state is their business, but these dumb mother****ers should never again have a voice in who is or isn’t allowed to box in Nevada. If Charles Manson applies for a license to fight Anthony Joshua at the MGM Grand in Vegas, they better not have the audacity to withhold it from him." and most tellingly "McGregor walks directly into punches. He keeps his hands too low, and is forced to constantly make adjustments to block and throw punches. These adjustments are done too slowly, with no sense of anticipation as to either where the incoming punch will land or where his own punch should go. In coming forward, he often presents himself as a square target, and he doesn’t move his head. He loops slow punches from the outside, leaving himself entirely vulnerable to counter shots. His footwork is poor, alternating between a too wide stance that simultaneously makes him unable to punch and susceptible to being knocked off balance, and an overcompensating tendency to place his feet nearly together, a mistake that will produce the same sorry results as the overly wide stance. By pro boxing standards, he has no power at all. When moving around the ring, he often crosses one foot in front of the other, a recipe for being embarrassed by any boxer better than a novice pro with a losing record."
LordSutch wrote: » In my opinion the only hope McGregor (not a boxer) has against Mayweather (excellent boxer) is to use Ali's "rope a dope" for as many rounds as it takes for Floyd to burn himself out > Then McGregor (still fresh) let's rip... McGregor cannot mix it with Maywether or he will be destroyed within just a few rounds, so the only option is to either cover up 'rope s dope style' until the storm passes, or keep away & dance, out of range and out of reach.
ThinkProgress wrote: » Well, Paulie wasn't really feeling the power... Not that I'm surprised tbh. Respectable power, but nothing to write home about. I never really felt the KO was a realistic possibility anyway... but after watching that, I would be even more confident that Floyd has very little to worry about! "I'll bounce shots off his head!!" :pac:...:pac:...
ThinkProgress wrote: » Wind your neck in there Mellor! I'm not attacking wrestling... or wrestlers! My answer regarding wrestlers, was specifically in respect to fighting. (stand-up fighting in particular)
ThinkProgress wrote: » I don't really view top wrestlers, or martial arts champs, as being great athletes... they tend to be lacking in terms of all-round athleticism. You can see this in the UFC... athletic attributes often come second to skill development in those disciplines!
The type of conditioning you do is very important, for your chosen sport. And the % of time you dedicate to certain aspects, will be crucial to the type of athletic attributes you build. If you spend the majority of your training hours on the mat, practicing wrestling... you will have mostly wrestling-specific conditioning... and your conditioning for stand-up fighting will naturally suffer!
Some people actually believe, that part of the motivation behind the creation of the UFC (and Crossfit too btw)... was to create a legitimate sporting career for top wrestlers to compete in after their amatuer careers were over.
Mellor wrote: » That's a cool story. But it's a nowhere near what you actually said;
No mention on striking, stand-up, MMA or boxing. If you said wrestlers weren't very good at striking, I doubt anyone would disagree. But that's obviously a matter of technical ability, not athleticism.
I have no issue with saying there are different types of athleticism. Or that wrestlers have different athletic attributes to boxers... ...but that's not what you initially said. As pointed out above. If it had been in the context of boxing, I'd have agreed with you. Wrestling requires a much bigger engine than boxing, and as such wouldn't be suited to the latter. Walshb's 200m vrs 1500m example would be similar.
But lumping wrestlers in with middle aged karate blackbelts with beer bellys is just silly.
Side point, but I doubt that rumour is true, considering who was driving the original Ultimate Fighting events.
ThinkProgress wrote: » @Mellor Btw, did you watch Cormier vs Jones?? Great example of what I'm talking about.... Cormier is an Olympic caliber wrestler... but he has very poor conditioning/athleticism for a stand-up fight, and as a result, his stand-up skills are sloppy and he was at a major disadvantage when Jones kept the fight on the feet... eventually getting KO'd. Now, I'm not saying Jones is a million times better in that respect either. But he's significantly better at striking, and his conditioning is considerably better suited to a stand-up fight, than Cormier. (you only have to look at footage of Jones training, to see this) Olympic calibre wrestler.... but very un-athletic in a stand-up fight. This is something you see a lot down the years in MMA fights. (If you're looking for it, and know what you're looking at) He is, however, a seriously tough individual - I must add that - which no doubt gives him a chance in any fight! I like Cormier... brave dude! Seems like a very likable person too... I'm not trying to kick the chap, when he's down. Just using that fight to better explain on my point, re athleticism in MMA.
ThinkProgress wrote: » Wrong! Scumlord and myself were discussing the athletic merits of MMA fighters... the quote of mine that you lifted, was in response to that. So it very much was in the context of MMA fighting!!
You live in Oz, right? (Not sure what time it is over there... maybe you need to go back to bed buddy... get some more ZZzzz's!!) :P
And, you are very much wrong that striking is JUST about skill... striking ability, whether it's boxing or kicking, is also very much about conditioning and a particular type of athleticism!
I have good sources, who's opinion I trust... I don't really give a crap whether you agree with the theory. Not like I can prove it one way or the other anyway...
wonderfullife wrote: » I love how you post absolute waffle but say it in such a declarative way, it's impressive.
Cormier was, on most pundit scorecards, 2 rounds up after 2 rounds. On the official cards he was 19-19 after 2 rounds.
What are you blabbering on about DC's conditioning? He landed the hardest shots in both the first 2 rounds, he was pushing the pace of the fight and backing Jones up, he was consistently timing the uppercut and was winning the fight ON THE FEET in many peoples opinion at the time he got caught with the head kick.
He wasn't "at a major disadvantage on the feet" due to "sloppy striking" or "bad conditioning", he was at an intrinsic disadvantage because Jon Jones is 6'4 with an 84" reach - which is an incredible 7" height advantage and 12" reach advantage over Cormier.
Height and reach advantages have completely *ZERO* to do with someones conditioning or athleticism.
You're correct that wrestling cardio/conditioning is not apples-for-apples suited to boxing, though.
Mellor wrote: » Move the goal posts all you like.
ThinkProgress wrote: » Work away mellor... but I won't be entertaining your BS! I will simply leave you to your nonsense, and move on!
hbhook wrote: » There's an article on BoxingScene saying that MW wants to charge £100 per PPV in Britain. Hearn reckons it'll be the standard price. That Sky won't go beyond £19.95. .
Mellor wrote: » As I said, same as the chicken fibre debacle (and all the rest :rolleyes: ). Somebody calls you on your pony. So you spin some "not what I meant yarn".
Mellor wrote: » Cormier isn't in Olympic caliber wrestler condition. Technically, he is an phenomenal wrestler. And succeed on that ability. But his conditioning has never been on pointe, even when he was on the Olympic team. He missed out on the Olympics due to his poor physical preparation. I'm sure we can all think of a few boxer who never reached their potential in similar fashion. Somebody like Jordan Burroughs would be an example of top condition.
Conditioning aside (bolded that bit so you don't miss it) Jones is a much better dynamic striker on a technical level. DC has no striking background prior to MMA, so plays to his skillsets, dirty boxing, clinchwork, instead to trying to learn the sweet science from the ground up. Yesterday, the first two rounds were very close. It only went south when Jones flicked a switch in rd3.
