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Hank Scorpio

HellSquirrel wrote: »

Yes, but everyone who spoke or speaks against Trump appears to have no credibility in your eyes, so I doubt it will keep her up at nights.

Got anything more about the Russian arrests, or is that just a big liberal conspiracy theory?

She's a clown. She was saying the election was over and mocking Trump's chances right up to election day, so yeah zero credibility.

Do you have a link to the Russian arrests from some reputable source? I have no idea because I haven't read anything about it.

HellSquirrel

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

She's a clown. She was saying the election was over and mocking Trump's chances right up to election day, so yeah zero credibility.

Do you have a link to the Russian arrests from some reputable source? I have no idea because I haven't read anything about it.

Depends what you count as a "reputable source". I only linked the one from NYTimes, but I could link to anything and someone would call it fake news.

Edit; Repost - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/world/europe/russia-hacking-us-election.html

Hank Scorpio

HellSquirrel wrote: »

Depends what you count as a "reputable source". I only linked the one from NYTimes, but I could link to anything and someone would call it fake news.

Edit; Repost - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/world/europe/russia-hacking-us-election.html

What's in that article points to a Russian diplomat being hacked, and people were arrested for treason.

There might be something to it but nothing in the report shows any evidence the people in trouble are connected to the DNC hacking.

Honest question, do you think if those people did the US hacking, it would be made public, if it was ordered by Putin?

HellSquirrel

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

What's in that article points to a Russian diplomat being hacked, and people were arrested for treason.

There might be something to it but nothing in the report shows any evidence the people in trouble are connected to the DNC hacking.

Honest question, do you think if those people did the US hacking, it would be made public, if it was ordered by Putin?

I will grant that it is puzzling, unless it's that making a lesson to his other staff is more important. There is a mention of American intelligence in there. The Russian diplomat may be a smokescreen, but I grant we're getting into the iffy parts of it again.

Still, this does deserve a bit more attention.

Christy42

HellSquirrel wrote: »

It was, yeah. I deleted that part as I'd gotten confused.

Weirdly enough I didn't see it in your post initially. It just came up when I hit quote. I presumed you had just added it but must have been a glitch in deleting your post that it still came up when I hit quote.

Hank Scorpio

HellSquirrel wrote: »

Still, this does deserve a bit more attention.

It does, we'll find out soon.

I'd love to know if it was Russia who provided the emails to Wikileaks.

Billy86

darkpagandeath wrote: »

USA and Russia not antagonising each other is a good thing. Like Reagan and Gorbachev..

Small problem - Putin is no Gorbachaev.

Timberrrrrrrr

Billy86 wrote: »

Small problem - Putin is no Gorbachaev.

And Trump is definitely no Reagan.

The_Valeyard

Lloyd Bentsen style going on here.

Hank Scorpio

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/316796-deblasio-to-cnn-its-ok-to-shield-undocumented-drunk-drivers

These comments are indefensible imo.

Leroy42

@Hank, is it your assertion that anyone who didn't call the election in Trumps favour is without any credibility?

I mean, who does that leave? Even Trump said, although of course he has later denied, that he told Melania that night that they had lost. Of course that was based on the polls but they weren't that wrong. He did lose the votes, but won the election (which is of course the point of the whole thing).

You seem to be saying that anyone who got it wrong cannot ever be right again, even though Trump got the whole birther thing spectacularly wrong.

philstar

Arne_Saknussem wrote: »

That's where one of these comes in.

is that matt cooper ??

Leroy42

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/316796-deblasio-to-cnn-its-ok-to-shield-undocumented-drunk-drivers

These comments are indefensible imo.

Well, in Ireland drunk driving that causes no negative outcome (a crash etc) is treated as a minor offence. There is no mandatory jail time etc.

So what is wrong with what he said? You, and me, may not agree, but he is legally correct

Billy86

Leroy42 wrote: »

@Hank, is it your assertion that anyone who didn't call the election in Trumps favour is without any credibility?

I mean, who does that leave? Even Trump said, although of course he has later denied, that he told Melania that night that they had lost. Of course that was based on the polls but they weren't that wrong. He did lose the votes, but won the election (which is of course the point of the whole thing).

You seem to be saying that anyone who got it wrong cannot ever be right again, even though Trump got the whole birther thing spectacularly wrong.

I -repeatedly- gave every Trump supporter on boards 20/1 odds for a charity bet on whether he would win the election. €5 donation from them if Clinton won, €100 donation from me if Trump won.

Literally one Trump fan (pumpkin4life in their credit; Irish Cancer Research being the charity) on the entire website was willing to take me up on it, everyone else avoided my posts with said challenge like the plague. Basically if that's the bar we are setting, then no Trump fans outside of pumpkin4life have any credibility either.

Hank Scorpio

Leroy42 wrote: »

@Hank, is it your assertion that anyone who didn't call the election in Trumps favour is without any credibility?

Not at all, imo it's true what I said. Maddow is to msnbc as Hannity is to Fox. She is on the extreme end. No matter your political leaning, to drive the narrative it's not who will win, it's how big the landslide will be and frequently criticize Trump's campaign strategy for electoral votes in such a smug and condescending manner, it ended up making her look extremely foolish.

I have no time for her at all.

kunst nugget

kunst nugget wrote: »

This is a very interesting, if a little scary, article about the grassroots Christofascist movement in America and its role in the recent election. It makes me very scared for the inevitable moment when Pence takes over from Trump.

https://www.autostraddle.com/i-was-trained-for-the-culture-wars-in-home-school-awaiting-someone-like-mike-pence-as-a-messiah-367057/

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

There's always been religious nuts and groups. I think it's far fetched to believe any administration is going to go after LGBT rights. Pence has a checkered past but a lot of it has been blown up, electro shock therapy stuff and so on. You can be a strong catholic but that doesn't mean you have the right to impose your views on everyone.

I think they are going to be chipped away at slowly but surely…

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2017/01/23/texas_supreme_court_may_roll_back_same_sex_marriage_rights.html

Hank Scorpio

Billy86 wrote: »

I -repeatedly- gave every Trump supporter on boards 20/1 odds for a charity bet on whether he would win the election. €5 donation from them if Clinton won, €100 donation from me if Trump won.

Literally one Trump fan (pumpkin4life in their credit; Irish Cancer Research being the charity) on the entire website was willing to take me up on it, everyone else avoided my posts with said challenge like the plague. Basically if that's the bar we are setting, then no Trump fans outside of pumpkin4life have any credibility either.

I bet on him the morning before the election, not a huge amount but still.

I never seen you offer that bet honestly, the 20/1 odds. Not saying you didn't but if I seen it I wouldn't have passed.

Little CuChulainn

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/316796-deblasio-to-cnn-its-ok-to-shield-undocumented-drunk-drivers

These comments are indefensible imo.

You don't believe law enforcement should have a working relationship with the half million undocumented people in the city?

Leroy42

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Not at all, imo it's true what I said. Maddow is to msnbc as Hannity is to Fox. She is on the extreme end. No matter your political leaning, to drive the narrative it's not who will win, it's how big the landslide will be and frequently criticize Trump's campaign strategy for electoral votes in such a smug and condescending manner, it ended up making her look extremely foolish.

I have no time for her at all.

That is another matter entirely. Maddow, like Hannity, have their clear bias, and its what is wrong with the media, and politics in general. People should report and the facts that ask the questions that need asking rather that looking to curry favour or "get their man to win". That is the job of the persons spin doctors, noty the media.

Things seem to be right and wrong depending on which party/person says it, not the facts of what they are saying.

Hank Scorpio

Leroy42 wrote: »

Well, in Ireland drunk driving that causes no negative outcome (a crash etc) is treated as a minor offence. There is no mandatory jail time etc.

So what is wrong with what he said? You, and me, may not agree, but he is legally correct

Drink driving is one of the worst things you can do. If someone does it they are a scumbag it shows they have no thoughts for other peoples welfare.

Is it OK for a person to throw knifes in someones direction as long as it doesn't hit them, that's essentially what that clown of a Mayor is saying.

Hank Scorpio

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

You don't believe law enforcement should have a working relationship with the half million undocumented people in the city?

A working relationship? If they're illegal and have the nerve to put peoples life's at risk by drink driving they should be fcuked out.

Little CuChulainn

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

A working relationship? If they're illegal and have the nerve to put peoples life's at risk by drink driving they should be fcuked out.

Did you actually watch the video or did you just read the headline? Do you know how difficult it would be to police a community who fears talking to you because you can have them deported?

Leroy42

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Drink driving is one of the worst things you can do. If someone does it they are a scumbag it shows they have no thoughts for other peoples welfare.

Is it OK for a person to throw knifes in someones direction as long as it doesn't hit them, that's essentially what that clown of a Mayor is saying.

Not according to the law it isn't.

Listen, I agree with you. IMO it is attempted manslaughter.

But that is not how the law sees it and certainly not how the law deals with it. I don't know what the law is in the States, but in Ireland, drunk driving results in losing your licence, that is about it.

So what the Mayor is saying is that it is not a serious offence, and the law backs him up on that. You are treating what he is saying in terms of what you would like (and again I agree with you) the status to be, not what it is.

He is not incorrect in what he is saying.

Hank Scorpio

Leroy42 wrote: »

That is another matter entirely.

I don't think it is, with or without facts you can control a narrative so that it becomes very damaging for another party. At that point it's just not bias anymore. The NYT article posted earlier for example links the Russians / US election hacking to the Russians who were arrested, where as the Forbes article on the same subject has no mention of anything US related.

Hank Scorpio

kunst nugget wrote: »

I think they are going to be chipped away at slowly but surely…

If Trump or any of his administration actively promote or seek to remove LGBT rights while in power I will drop any support I have for them. Pence has a checkered past but it's not his right to impose what he believes on others. Up to now they've been following through with campaign promises but something like that would be over the line. I wouldn't be alone, many of his supporters would react the same imo.

dudara

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

If Trump or any of his administration actively promote or seek to remove LGBT rights while in power I will drop any support I have for them. Pence has a checkered past but it's not his right to impose what he believes on others. Up to now they've been following through with campaign promises but something like that would be over the line. I wouldn't be alone, many of his supporters would react the same imo.

By removing funding for reproductive rights, thy have imposed their belief on others.

Hank Scorpio

dudara wrote: »

By removing funding for reproductive rights, thy have imposed their belief on others.

That's different. If I as a citizen don't support abortion, why should I be made to pay for it?

If anything, everyone being forced to pay for it is worse.

Christy42

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Drink driving is one of the worst things you can do. If someone does it they are a scumbag it shows they have no thoughts for other peoples welfare.

Is it OK for a person to throw knifes in someones direction as long as it doesn't hit them, that's essentially what that clown of a Mayor is saying.

Not really it is what the law says. If it is upgraded generally to a serious offense for everyone then sure the mayor would turf them out.

Until then it is complete bull to treat it as a serious offense for immigrants but a minor one for everyone else. The mayor specifically said that it is as it is seen as a minor offense that he won't turf them out. Change that part of it.

kunst nugget

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

If Trump or any of his administration actively promote or seek to remove LGBT rights while in power I will drop any support I have for them. Pence has a checkered past but it's not his right to impose what he believes on others. Up to now they've been following through with campaign promises but something like that would be over the line. I wouldn't be alone, many of his supporters would react the same imo.

Trump's campaign promises involved rolling back Obama's executive order outlawing discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity among federal contractors and signing FADA into law, a nationwide version of Religious Freedom Restoration Act that Pence had already signed into law in Indiana.

Hank Scorpio

Christy42 wrote: »

Not really it is what the law says. If it is upgraded generally to a serious offense for everyone then sure the mayor would turf them out.

Until then it is complete bull to treat it as a serious offense for immigrants but a minor one for everyone else. The mayor specifically said that it is as it is seen as a minor offense that he won't turf them out. Change that part of it.

I don't view it that way at all. Drink driving while being there illegally is a pure middle to the constitution endangering the lives of others who live there legally. How many times does the average drink driver do it before they get caught, or worse still, do serious damage to someone.

You're right in the sense that's what the law says, but in some cases cop on needs to be used too. If they drink drive they clearly don't give a bollox about being there in the first place.