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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭ Kellygirl

    Very impressive after Amsterdam though. Well done.

    I’ve a couple of questions if you don’t mind.

    Why not the beetroot again? I was only reading about creatine recently and decided I must look into it more after Dublin was over. Very interesting about it helping the hydration.

    Great food for thought there too with the less carbs etc. I must read your Ams report again.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭ Wottle

    Hi Kellygirl

    I guess never say never but the taste was disgusting and I found it darkened my urine which I didn't like from a hydration feedback standpoint.

    I also didn't load up on it for long enough, one of the studies, I think suggested 12 to 15 days of 500/600ml.

    With the creatine that was the idea of a chemistry friend who's big into his cycling and running and swears by it. It was also him that advised me to change my fueling. He believes I was making everything hypertonic, a higher concentration of liquids than blood and therefore putting more pressure on the body and actually adding to dehydration effect.

    So Sunday I took a bit of water at every station as well as having isotonic mix. I'd like to try it again at another marathon when body is recovered as my gut tells me it's a winner

    Btw massive well done to you, huge chunk taken off your PB

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,888 ✭✭✭ Kellygirl

    Thanks for that. I want to review my fuelling. I was fully convinced of my plan going into it but I struggled and I’m not sure I have ever been hanging for water stations so much. I’d had a litre of Tailwind as fuel, making it up as I went along and I was then too full taking water on again. It might be back to gels for me … on a humid day anyway.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,677 ✭✭✭ ReeReeG

    You didn't mention your coaching successes on Sunday! Congrats, fantastic performances! One in particular ;) who absolutely thanked her training for those last 6 miles!

    Congrats on another marathon!

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭ Wottle

    Thanks, she was unreal! Good day out all round and we had another receive the Lord Mayor's Medal beforehand which was really special.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,222 ✭✭✭ Laineyfrecks

    Well done completing this after Amsterdam, I'm always in awe of anyone doing marathons so close together! I was taking the beetroot shots the week of the marathon, I agree about the taste, but it was grand if I just had a drink ready to go straight after haha.

    Enjoy the recovery now!

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭ Wottle

    You were incredible, congratulations on another PB. I estimate you probably passed me around Clonskeagh

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,222 ✭✭✭ Laineyfrecks

    Thank you, happy to be making improvements year after year...long may it last😊

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭ Lazare

    That's a really strong effort just after Amsterdam, well done D.

    The Superman thing is hilarious 😂

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭ Wottle

    Thanks and good job toughening it out yourself.

    I wouldn't overthink it too much, there was STH strange in the air. I was sweating way more than usual and from very early on and I've never seen so many taken out with cramp.

    Onwards we march!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 377 ✭✭ marathon2022

    Well done on the 2000 miles, can only stand for you next year. Many more PBs to come

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,895 ✭✭✭ Murph_D

    What's your resting HR?

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭ Wottle

  • Registered Users Posts: 9,895 ✭✭✭ Murph_D

    I asked because I'm trying to compare your 160 with the 161-168 range I did a lot of training at in my recent marathon block: the Lydiard '¾' effort, which Keith Livingstone's book interpreted as 75-80% of heart rate reserve. That would seem to equate to 154-161 for you, so essentially it's the upper limit of that range.

    Not sure of the wisdom of another marathon in, what, three weeks' time, but that's your call - the training effort seems about right to me based on the above but I'd be very careful not to exceed that.

    Good luck!

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭ Wottle

    Thanks Murph and I'm also not sure how wise it is, I'm definitely easing off for the rest of December, I know I need it.

    I guess I'm still hung up on thinking I should have run quicker in Amsterdam but for iron and poor pacing.

    In Dublin, I got a lot right, pacing and fueling and not worrying too much about the outcome but still giving it a fair crack.

    However two weeks was never enough recovery.

    Valencia will be a 5 week gap and I pretty much took a week off, muscle recovery was far better than it was for Amsterdam. I did have a little knee twinge but that's now resolved.

    Another interesting experiment and one where I do fancy my chances to go quicker than Amsterdam.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,675 ✭✭✭ skyblue46

    Interesting discussion....but if running 3 marathons in close succession was a good idea would all the elites not be doing it to maximise their earnings? If you run faster than Amsterdam what does it tell you? That running 3 marathons in a row off a patchwork training plan is the answer? Maybe taking your learnings from the 2 you have done and incorporating them into a full block for a spring marathon would be more advantageous...

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭ Wottle

    Can't really argue with your point and I agree three marathons in quick succession isn't a good idea. I've done it before back in 2008.

    I believe my training for Amsterdam was the best I've ever done and just feel the low iron was the main factor for not running quicker. I've been on an iron supplement since 3rd week of September and although I haven't had my bloods done since, I do feel better within my body.

    In hindsight, Dublin was a mistake and I bought into the hype but I pretty much downed tools at 30k and ran/walked the last 12k with a friend who was struggling. I think this is why I feel recovered and motivation is high.

    Valencia could well again prove to be a bridge too far but I really do think I can better Amsterdam, if I don't, I'm ok with that too but I'm actually excited by the challenge.

    Looking forward to a nice weekend away and I guess I just don't see any negatives.

    And I've already got one eye on next year, my main target being Amsterdam 2023 and I can guarantee I won't be running more than two marathons.

    Apologies, just realised I actually didn't answer your question...what would it tell me? It would just give my training some delayed validation and I know that doesn't even make sense, as that training block has been so diluted but I can't help feeling the What if?

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭ ariana`

    The thing with the iron though is the high mileage on the roads is hampering the replenishment. Easing off a little on the mileage from now until the end of the year along with the supplementation might do you a lot better in the long term. Just a suggestion though...

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭ Wottle

    I didn't know that, thank you. December will be a very low mileage month, so fingers crossed all is normal starting 2023.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭ ariana`

    A process called foot strike haemolysis occurs where red blood cells are damaged when the foot hits the ground, thus reducing your haemoglobin levels. And Iron is also lost through sweat.

    Food for thought anyway 😊

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭ Wottle

    It is, thank you. I was thinking purely from a diet pov.

    Last December I decided to try shift some kilos and a side consequence of that was my meat consumption went down.

  • Registered Users Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭ ariana`

    Yeah, I'm in a similar boat, dinner regularly falls by the wayside. Kids schedule is so tightly packed in the evenings that I don't stop going and by the time I do, I just have a snack and fall into bed. I don't skip breakfast, lunch or other snacks during the day, but with dinner I don't seem to even realise I'm skipping it until it's 10pm and suddenly I'm starving 😳 Anyways, best of luck with it, hopefully being conscious of it going forward and supplementing will do the trick.

  • Registered Users Posts: 377 ✭✭ marathon2022

    Good luck tomorrow, hope the running gods throw some magic your way.

  • Registered Users Posts: 122 ✭✭ SuspectZero

    Well done today! Looks like you paced it to perfection. I haven't been about but looks like you had a proper good year, a long way removed from the fine weather athlete😋. The 3:10/15 will come and running that today in your 3rd marathon in like 6 weeks is a really good sign of that.

    El C

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭ Wottle

    Cheers, 2022 has been pretty kind with pbs from 5k to the full.

    Haha, I'm definitely more consistent now, embracing proper easy running has been the big difference

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