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Killer Robots

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    The Samsung SGR-A1 sentry gun on the Korean DMZ may or may not have a Human In The Loop, which means a Human has to OK the slaughter.

    The other alternative is Human On The Loop, which means it will continue to kill people until a Human takes action to stop it.

    It's not a technical thing, the sentry gun could work in either setting.



    It's got laser ranging . cameras, infra red and thermographs and can be linked to grenade launchers or machine guns with a effective range of 3.5Km. It's like a minefield, except the mine is actively hunting you.




    That genie is out of the bottle.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Black Swan



    That genie is out of the bottle.
    Indeed.


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    Subsurface robots about long time. Example.

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    Fathom wrote: »
    Subsurface robots about long time. Example.
    Way earlier , but dumber.


    me wrote:
    Both Germany and the US deployed homing torpedos in 1943 so arguably we've had killer robots for quite a while now.

    There's a lot of money in killing humans.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42981072
    The Senate bill, which has not yet been publicly unveiled, reportedly increases defence spending by $80bn in the first fiscal year and $85bn in the second.
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    Note the spending on Homeland Security

    Also the NASA budget includes $4Bn pork barrel funds in the SLS & related projects (reinventing the wheel, using off the shelf wheels). And another €3bn or so in slush funds for the big aerospace military industry complex. If you look at what the US military actually get for this money it's shameful.

    Note the spending on Veteran Affairs
    Think how much money could be saved, and votes won, by not putting humans in harms way, and how the marketing droid will pitch it




    Listen, and understand. That terminator is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
    - Kyle Reese


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Black Swan


    574 billion during 2018 will build a lot of killer robots.


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    Black Swan wrote: »
    574 billion during 2018 will build a lot of killer robots.
    Not with the prices BAE and their ilk will charge


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    Not with the prices BAE and their ilk will charge
    Will flying killer robots still need $1,200 toilet seats?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Black Swan


    Drones in the FY 2018 Defense Budget:
    The U.S. military’s spending on drones is set to reach a five-year high. The Department of Defense Fiscal Year 2018 budget request contains $6.97 billion for drone-related procurement, research and development, and system-specific construction.


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    Small drone budget out of one-half trillion 2018 defense budget.


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    Lots of pass the buck potentially going on. Is an AI an entity with insufficient mental capacity for criminal intent ? Or does handing a gun to an idiot make you responsible ?

    Or will they try and use a lowly paid serf or outsourcing as the scapegoat ?

    When clever code kills, who pays and who does the time?
    Programmers might be held liable as accomplices to a criminal act by an AI if the crime was deemed a "natural or probable consequence" of the software's operation. Kingston recounted the story of a Japanese factory worker killed accidentally by a robot arm that mistook him for a motorcycle as an example of a problem that should have been foreseen.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Black Swan


    Fathom wrote: »
    Small drone budget out of one-half trillion 2018 defense budget.
    Lots of pass the buck potentially going on. Is an AI an entity with insufficient mental capacity for criminal intent ? Or does handing a gun to an idiot make you responsible ?

    Or will they try and use a lowly paid serf or outsourcing as the scapegoat ?
    Or... do you "get what you pay for?" When something goes wrong, look for a scapegoat.


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    Underwater robot competitions.


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    "Fully autonomous weapons, also known as "killer robots," would be able to select and engage targets without human intervention. Precursors to these weapons, such as armed drones, are being developed and deployed by nations including China, Israel, South Korea, Russia, the United Kingdom and the United States."


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    Fathom wrote: »
    "Fully autonomous weapons, also known as "killer robots," would be able to select and engage targets without human intervention. Precursors to these weapons, such as armed drones, are being developed and deployed by nations including China, Israel, South Korea, Russia, the United Kingdom and the United States."
    To what extent do international laws cover "autonomous weapons," or do they?


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    Technology outpacing laws?


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    Fathom wrote: »
    Technology outpacing laws?
    H.G. Wells?


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    Criminal gang uses drones to defeat observations by FBI during rescue attempt.

    Ref:
    https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2018/05/criminal-gang-used-drone-swarm-obstruct-fbi-raid/147956/


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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-44028810
    Russia's big Victory Day parade on Wednesday will feature a remote-controlled tank and other new weapons systems combat-tested in Syria.

    The Uran-9 tank is armed with anti-tank rockets, a cannon and a machine-gun.

    ...
    Gazeta.ru reports that the Uran-9 can locate a target itself but the decision to fire is taken by a commander sitting in an armoured truck up to 3km (1.8 miles) away.
    So at the moment they still use a human in the loop. Killer robots are out there, it's nothing new.


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    So at the moment they still use a human in the loop. Killer robots are out there, it's nothing new.
    At moment. Someday?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Black Swan


    "Humans in the loop," given that such a policy may reduce efficiency and effectiveness below that of AI killer robot control, will probably be a factor for years to come.


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    I'd suspect it's more to do with the fear of friendly fire.

    From a story by Philip K Dick some of the script of Screamers - a film about killer robots.
    Are they machines? Are they alive?
    l don't understand...
    l don't have the answers, Jefferson.
    - But where are they coming from?
    - Underground.
    The first design was sent to us from the Alliance on Earth.
    lt's all automated now.
    No one's been down there since they pushed the first button and ran.
    - They make themselves now.


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    Will have to view Screamers.


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    Robot combat events calendar.

    See:
    https://www.robotcombatevents.com/


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    Black Swan wrote: »
    Robot combat events calendar.

    See:
    https://www.robotcombatevents.com/
    Child's play? Compared to today's military versions.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Black Swan


    Indeed "child's play" given active drones and experimental land and water warbots.


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    Comes military Skynet. First movie fiction. Then?


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