Killer Robots

Fathom

Was Ex Machina a "killer robot?"

Black Swan

Fathom wrote: »

Was Ex Machina a "killer robot?"

See the film.

Capt'n Midnight

Black Swan wrote: »

See the film.

Or better still , watch Klaus Kinski do his thing in the low budget Android (1983)

I tried to watch Ex Machina and after a while just had to stick it on fast forward









The problem with robots is people.

srsly78

Black Mirror Season 4 Episode 5 - Metalhead

Most realistic depiction of killer robots to date?

Fathom

srsly78 wrote: »

Black Mirror Season 4 Episode 5 - Metalhead Most realistic depiction of killer robots to date?

Spoiler alert: Link to above.

ScumLord

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm not really too worried about robots until there's something independant to run them without human help.

So much sci-fi gives the impression that we'll accidentally make robots that will just spontaneously become smart and hate us as a consequence. Not only do they become sentient but they become human sentient, as if that's the only state of consciousness that matters, or can exist.

I don't really see an automated system just deciding to run amok. When our tech fails it doesn't fail in a coordinated way, it just stops working. At worst the AI will just make the same mistakes as people, like incorrectly identifying targets, it would probably just do it less than people. It won't get afraid that a child might have a bomb, it will just register a non combatant and leave it at that.

Bottom line is machines are far from self sufficient. They need people in so many ways that any attempt to turn against the will of people will fail pretty rapidly.

When technology starts malfunctioning it doesn't just stop working though. A small error, either on its part or by human interference can cause it to continue doing what its programmed to do, til the end of its program with sometimes unexpected outcomes.

Face recognition software has been tricked by printouts of faces. What if a drone is given an order to kill a dissident who is also running for election in a country that has posters with his face up all over the place and the drone strafes whole apartment buildings?

dr.fuzzenstein

denartha wrote: »

When technology starts malfunctioning it doesn't just stop working though. A small error, either on its part or by human interference can cause it to continue doing what its programmed to do, til the end of its program with sometimes unexpected outcomes.

Face recognition software has been tricked by printouts of faces. What if a drone is given an order to kill a dissident who is also running for election in a country that has posters with his face up all over the place and the drone strafes whole apartment buildings?

It should be precise enough to just destroy the posters.

Black Swan

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Or better still , watch Klaus Kinski do his thing in the low budget Android (1983)

Or Ash in Alien (1979); or Bishop in Aliens (1986) and Alien 3 (1992)?

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/ Lifesaving robots.

(Whilst not true AI), a small drone has saved two swimmers down in Aussieland.
From launch to accurate device drop in about 70secs.

"Never before has a drone, fitted with a flotation device been used to rescue swimmers like this."

Capt'n Midnight

Archer Eager Viper wrote: »

From launch to accurate device drop in about 70secs[

200 years ago they'd have used a Manby mortar or a rocket ( or later on a cannon ) to deliver the line.

Black Swan

Hospital delivery robot rolls out in Japan.

Fathom

Black Swan

Above definitely fulfills the Killer Robots subject.

Fathom

As does this flying one.

Fathom

Robot army. United States Army's Future Combat Systems Project. Use of artificially intelligent systems in modern warfare. Behind original deployment schedule. Alex Leveringhaus in What's So Bad About Killer Robots? (Journal of Applied Philosophy, 6 March 2016), questions if engaging a target without supervision by a human operator should be allowed.

Black Swan

Killer robots: Philosophical ethics understood only by a few vs the Military Industrial Complex profits under Trump. I can just imagine who would win.

Fathom

"Profits not people" maxim? Specifically killer robots not people.

Professor Moriarty

So, could/should a robot be put on trial for war crimes?

Fathom

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So, could/should a robot be put on trial for war crimes?

Did movie i-Robot consider robot rights to trial?

Professor Moriarty

Fathom wrote: »

Did movie i-Robot consider robot rights to trial?

Dunno. Just wondering in general in the context of free will.

Capt'n Midnight

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So, could/should a robot be put on trial for war crimes?

No.

The human who authorised it , yes.



Both Germany and the US deployed homing torpedos in 1943 so arguably we've had killer robots for quite a while now.

Capt'n Midnight

Fathom wrote: »

Did movie i-Robot consider robot rights to trial?

It was slightly based on Asimov's robots series, which were based on a pure fantasy concept.

Real robots are based on programs. Unless you are using certain mathematically provable languages the output of a program can't be guaranteed. So there's a risk factor.

Professor Moriarty

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

No.

The human who authorised it , yes.



Both Germany and the US deployed homing torpedos in 1943 so arguably we've had killer robots for quite a while now.

It's not my field, but as AI progresses, at what stage does the machine have choice? Of course the creator 'should' be responsible but if the machine's intelligence reaches a point where it is autonomous?

Capt'n Midnight

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It's not my field, but as AI progresses, at what stage does the machine have choice? Of course the creator 'should' be responsible but if the machine's intelligence reaches a point where it is autonomous?

Passing a Turing Test doesn't prove you're human.

It just means you are more likely to be.

And it has to be a really good Turing Test. Not some crappy web chat AI that is just Eliza with a better dictionary and more hard coded grammar rules.


AI has a very long way to go before it can pretend to be us in open ended tests, and even that doesn't prove it's sentient.

Fathom

Ex Machina (2014) used Turing Test?

Professor Moriarty

Fathom wrote: »

Ex Machina (2014) used Turing Test?

It was that kind of 'robot' I was thinking of but in a military combat context.

Black Swan

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It was that kind of 'robot' I was thinking of but in a military combat context.

Fathom

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It was that kind of 'robot' I was thinking of but in a military combat context.

1st in Sci Fi. Someday real robot army.

Professor Moriarty

Fathom wrote: »

1st in Sci Fi. Someday real robot army.

Drones being an early iteration.

Black Swan

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Drones being an early iteration.