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Killer Robots

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional Midlands Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators, Regional South East Moderators, Regional North East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 8,371 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Fathom


    Was Ex Machina a "killer robot?"


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Black Swan


    Fathom wrote: »
    Was Ex Machina a "killer robot?"
    See the film.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 84,786 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Capt'n Midnight


    Black Swan wrote: »
    See the film.
    Or better still , watch Klaus Kinski do his thing in the low budget Android (1983)

    I tried to watch Ex Machina and after a while just had to stick it on fast forward :o







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    The problem with robots is people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭ srsly78


    Black Mirror Season 4 Episode 5 - Metalhead

    Most realistic depiction of killer robots to date?


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    srsly78 wrote: »
    Black Mirror Season 4 Episode 5 - Metalhead

    Most realistic depiction of killer robots to date?
    Spoiler alert: Link to above.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,917 ✭✭✭✭ denartha


    ScumLord wrote: »
    I'm not really too worried about robots until there's something independant to run them without human help.

    So much sci-fi gives the impression that we'll accidentally make robots that will just spontaneously become smart and hate us as a consequence. Not only do they become sentient but they become human sentient, as if that's the only state of consciousness that matters, or can exist.

    I don't really see an automated system just deciding to run amok. When our tech fails it doesn't fail in a coordinated way, it just stops working. At worst the AI will just make the same mistakes as people, like incorrectly identifying targets, it would probably just do it less than people. It won't get afraid that a child might have a bomb, it will just register a non combatant and leave it at that.

    Bottom line is machines are far from self sufficient. They need people in so many ways that any attempt to turn against the will of people will fail pretty rapidly.

    When technology starts malfunctioning it doesn't just stop working though. A small error, either on its part or by human interference can cause it to continue doing what its programmed to do, til the end of its program with sometimes unexpected outcomes.

    Face recognition software has been tricked by printouts of faces. What if a drone is given an order to kill a dissident who is also running for election in a country that has posters with his face up all over the place and the drone strafes whole apartment buildings?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭ dr.fuzzenstein


    denartha wrote: »
    When technology starts malfunctioning it doesn't just stop working though. A small error, either on its part or by human interference can cause it to continue doing what its programmed to do, til the end of its program with sometimes unexpected outcomes.

    Face recognition software has been tricked by printouts of faces. What if a drone is given an order to kill a dissident who is also running for election in a country that has posters with his face up all over the place and the drone strafes whole apartment buildings?

    It should be precise enough to just destroy the posters. :D


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Black Swan


    Or better still , watch Klaus Kinski do his thing in the low budget Android (1983)
    Or Ash in Alien (1979); or Bishop in Aliens (1986) and Alien 3 (1992)?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭ Archer Eager Viper


    / Lifesaving robots.

    (Whilst not true AI), a small drone has saved two swimmers down in Aussieland.
    From launch to accurate device drop in about 70secs.

    "Never before has a drone, fitted with a flotation device been used to rescue swimmers like this."


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 84,786 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Capt'n Midnight


    From launch to accurate device drop in about 70secs[
    200 years ago they'd have used a Manby mortar or a rocket ( or later on a cannon ) to deliver the line.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Black Swan


    Hospital delivery robot rolls out in Japan.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Black Swan


    Above definitely fulfills the Killer Robots subject.


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    As does this flying one.

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    Robot army. United States Army's Future Combat Systems Project. Use of artificially intelligent systems in modern warfare. Behind original deployment schedule.

    Alex Leveringhaus in What's So Bad About Killer Robots? (Journal of Applied Philosophy, 6 March 2016), questions if engaging a target without supervision by a human operator should be allowed.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Black Swan


    Killer robots: Philosophical ethics understood only by a few vs the Military Industrial Complex profits under Trump. I can just imagine who would win.


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    "Profits not people" maxim? Specifically killer robots not people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,349 ✭✭✭✭ Professor Moriarty


    So, could/should a robot be put on trial for war crimes?


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    So, could/should a robot be put on trial for war crimes?
    Did movie i-Robot consider robot rights to trial?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,349 ✭✭✭✭ Professor Moriarty


    Fathom wrote: »
    Did movie i-Robot consider robot rights to trial?

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    Dunno. Just wondering in general in the context of free will.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 84,786 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Capt'n Midnight


    So, could/should a robot be put on trial for war crimes?
    No.

    The human who authorised it , yes.



    Both Germany and the US deployed homing torpedos in 1943 so arguably we've had killer robots for quite a while now.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 84,786 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Capt'n Midnight


    Fathom wrote: »
    Did movie i-Robot consider robot rights to trial?
    It was slightly based on Asimov's robots series, which were based on a pure fantasy concept.

    Real robots are based on programs. Unless you are using certain mathematically provable languages the output of a program can't be guaranteed. So there's a risk factor.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,349 ✭✭✭✭ Professor Moriarty


    No.

    The human who authorised it , yes.



    Both Germany and the US deployed homing torpedos in 1943 so arguably we've had killer robots for quite a while now.

    It's not my field, but as AI progresses, at what stage does the machine have choice? Of course the creator 'should' be responsible but if the machine's intelligence reaches a point where it is autonomous?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 84,786 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Capt'n Midnight


    It's not my field, but as AI progresses, at what stage does the machine have choice? Of course the creator 'should' be responsible but if the machine's intelligence reaches a point where it is autonomous?
    Passing a Turing Test doesn't prove you're human.

    It just means you are more likely to be.

    And it has to be a really good Turing Test. Not some crappy web chat AI that is just Eliza with a better dictionary and more hard coded grammar rules.


    AI has a very long way to go before it can pretend to be us in open ended tests, and even that doesn't prove it's sentient.


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    Ex Machina (2014) used Turing Test?


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,349 ✭✭✭✭ Professor Moriarty


    Fathom wrote: »
    Ex Machina (2014) used Turing Test?

    It was that kind of 'robot' I was thinking of but in a military combat context.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Black Swan


    It was that kind of 'robot' I was thinking of but in a military combat context.

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    It was that kind of 'robot' I was thinking of but in a military combat context.
    1st in Sci Fi. Someday real robot army.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,349 ✭✭✭✭ Professor Moriarty


    Fathom wrote: »
    1st in Sci Fi. Someday real robot army.

    Drones being an early iteration.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Black Swan


    Drones being an early iteration.

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