Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120703926#Comment_120703926

We should do it anyway though. We should be a shining light for the rest of the world. Let them know what we have found out about the consumption of alcohol and the dangers that even one sip can pose to people.

If the countries then don't want the product well we shouldn't export it to them. HOw would we live with ourselves.

Do you think that glasses in pubs should have the same warning that we will be putting on bottles or cans?

ArmaniJeanss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120703947#Comment_120703947

Generic glasses would be strange really, kind of like looking to put calorie information on sugar/salt warnings on plates in restaurants. But on specially designed advertising glasses? Yeah, seems reasonable to me.

But labelling for exports, could you please just stop? It's a nonsensical angle to take.

(Did you know by the way that lots of our alcohol export isn't even bottled here, it'll go out in barrels/balloons and be bottled & labelled locally?)

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120703988#Comment_120703988

Shocking stuff.

How will we let the French or Italians know that their glass of wine at lunch is killing them.

crusd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120642230#Comment_120642230

With these type of studies, the devil is in the detail.

About 50% of people will develop cancer in their lifetime. An increased risk of just under 1% for men and just over 1% for women is marginal at best, instead of a 50% chance of developing cancer it might be closer to 51% With these type of observational studies it. It doesnt control for other known factors such as diet, smoking, environmental hazards etc.

And dont take my word for it. Here is what the peer review said

I'm against this nonsense, but since the vintners didn't stand against MUP then I would be delighted if they have to put health warnings on pub glasses and posters of cancerous livers all over the walls. Serves them right.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705793#Comment_120705793

Bad tactics in my opinion.

We should be against all this nonsense all the way.

You are right about MUP, the publicans sold us out but two wrongs don't make a right.

The real enemy is Alcohol Action Ireland and their supporters.

200mg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120706394#Comment_120706394

Anti Alcohol Ireland..

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120706430#Comment_120706430

I love the way they claim they are not.

They come out with lines like "I like a drink in moderation".

Well newsflash for them so do most of us but we aren't going around trying to make drink more expensive.

Leroy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120706394#Comment_120706394

This again. You really think AAI are that powerful? The vintners and producers are 100% behind MAP.

When is the last time you heard of the vintners pushing for lower prices or liberasation of the market?

They are the enemy not some small, but admittedly vocal, lobby group.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120707488#Comment_120707488

I said AAI and their supporters which unfortunately for us includes all the political parties.

If the publicans can get a result against this neo prohibitionist nonsense it can only be a good thing.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120707610#Comment_120707610

Nope the publicans are only looking out for number 1, they only care about getting more people through their doors without having to overhaul their tired lazy business models.

Gusser09

If I'm sitting at home having a can looking at a rotten liver I expect to see the same in a pub. I expect to be sipping a pint looking at someone who has lost limbs from diabetes on my pint glass. I expect to see a cancerous liver on my pint glass. I expect to see the victim of domestic violence on a poster in the corner too. It makes no sense to only target home drinkers.

If this only targets people who like a drink at home then we know what the agenda from AAI and the publicans is.

Mark my words. The next thing that will be targeted are the supermarkets selling alcohol, independent off licenses and the hours in which they sell it will be restricted even further. AAI and publicans will push for state run off licenses or even a model whereby you can only get a take out in a pub.

We are getting screwed over rightly here and they won't stop at this.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120707488#Comment_120707488

Every single party in the Dail has fallen into lockstep with AAI.

So yes. Yes they are that powerful.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120708286#Comment_120708286

Rationing would then be next.

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120708563#Comment_120708563

I actually think they will look for an increase in MUP shortly enough. They will realise that they aren't seeing the huge reduction in consumption they predicted. They could look to bench mark the cost of off license sales against pubs or something mad like that. Nothing is beyond them.

Scipri0

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120708657#Comment_120708657

I think further down the road they plan on bringing in a tax on processed foods. too much of processed foods is a bad thing and something like this will again affect poorer people. For a government so free market they love to interfere in it when they stand to gain from it.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0516/1383844-diet-report/

Dub.

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

Cocaine seems to have replaced alcohol for young people in my neighbourhood. Three times as many drug dealers as there was a couple of years ago. Thank God for France. A van full of 500ml 7.8% Lidl Perlembourg lager at 90 cents a can last week. I would never have drank that strength of beer before but you might as well get your money`s worth shipping it from France. Huge savings on spirits, 9 euro for Lidl vodka compared to 22 euro here. 10 litre boxes of very drinkable White and Rose wine in Casino for 11 euro. 10 litres of similar quality wine here would cost over 100 euro. I would highly recommend people bring back these 10 litre boxes from France as they are a doddle to transport rather than the equivalent 13 glass bottles. 5 litre bottles of red cooking wine less than 4 euro. Again that amount of the cheapest cooking wine here is 50 euro.

As for good value in Ireland, i notice that 500ml bottles of Polish Tyskie lager in Tesco are still 2 euro, which is the same price i was paying a few years back.

Hotblack Desiato

The cans used to be significantly under 2 euro and they were 5.5/5.6% too (although the change down to 5% happened well before MUP)

thesandeman

"As for good value in Ireland, i notice that 500ml bottles of Polish Tyskie lager in Tesco are still 2 euro, which is the same price i was paying a few years back."

Unfortunately the Tyskie here isn't Polish any more. It's brewed in The Netherlands by Grolsh, imported to the UK by Asahi, and then distributed here by Coman's.

It's €2 in Aldi as well. They and Tesco are probably bringing it direct from the UK.

Hotblack Desiato

Yeah. I stopped buying it when that change happened.

dubrov

In case anyone was interested I was up in Newry a few weeks ago.

I went to Sainsbury's which I believe is one of the fancier supermarkets so not the best for deals.

The biggest problem was that all their deals were linked to some sort of loyalty card which you couldn't get on the spot.

The prices were similar to pre-MUP prices down south. Craft beers were in the £2-4 range so the only savings were in the cheaper end of the beer spectrum.

I ended up buying about 3 slabs of Stella as it was the only cheap beer you didn't need a loyalty card for.

It's not a great beer though so make sure you are prepared so you have more options.

Busman Paddy Lasty

First n Last in Jonesborough for the win. Can go there on the way back from Slieve Gullion park without having to drive on to Newry, in our case.

bladespin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120764943#Comment_120764943

Most have on-line registration for loyalty cards and are pretty much instant though I'd recommend anyone wanting these deals to register before you visit, great deals to be had.

dubrov

I had read something about 14 days to get the card in the post but now see I could have just grabbed a card in store :(

theteal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120764943#Comment_120764943

Not fancier as such, direct competitor to Tesco. I supposed fancier than Asda, Aldi etc.

Also these new loyalty card deals are a pain. . . .for those of us who keep forgetting the bloody card 😖

anonanymore

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

25% off 6 or more bottles of wine in Tesco and Sainsbury's with Club or Nectar cards until 03/07.

VinLieger

AAI on newstalk this morning spouting lies and mistruths again. The drinks industry guy got a good point in at the end though pointing out nobody is asking the likes of coke to remove their top brand name ie ""Coke" from their sugar free drinks like AAI is asking for to happen with 0.0 drinks.

This whole argument is nonsensical to me, people like the taste of for example Heineken so they designed a 0.0 drink that matches the flavour of Heineken as closely as possible but now the nimby fun sponges say it cant be called Heineken 0.0? Its fvcking absurd.

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120780881#Comment_120780881

All about control and not about the health of the problem drinkers at all. I'm not impressed with the way the woke presenters on these shows try to side with AAI. Really irritating and impartial.

So now we have MUP, Label warnings and removal of branding from 0.0 drinks. It'll be a total ban soon enough.

I had a can of Krombacher (German Import) at the weekend. It has a subtle line on the back of the can which states " The surgeon general recommends not to drink when pregnant. Alcohol may cause health problems"

I presume that's what we will be having on our packaging? Something that's not overly intrusive but is there for the dimwits that don't know the dangers of drinking too much.

Leroy42

Its a rubbish argument from the drinks industry. Coke is not using Coke Zero or Diet Coke as a way to circumvent the advertising rules.

And just to be clear, the drinks industry are now figthing this out of some care for the consumer. The Drinks industry at the forefront of the introduction of MAP. The likes of Henekin and Diageo didn't want to continue to have to price match against the cheaper stuff so they found a way to add price fixing.

Gusser09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120780954#Comment_120780954

So we have two different organisations who aren't acting on behalf of the customers.

The only stakeholder in all of this who doesn't have a voice is the customer.