RIP Fidel Castro

Radiosonde · 26-11-2016 3:57pm

A Little Pony wrote: »

I see Jeremy Corbyn has commented and that is why he should never be Prime Minister. Not that he has a hope of winning a general election anyway.

Castro was a man without honor.

Thatcher was PM for a decade, and was a friend of brutal Chilean dictator Pinochet. Successive UK governments have maintained close relations with the hideous Saudi regime. What's so awful about Corbyn paying tribute to Castro?

Galway_Old_Man · 26-11-2016 4:03pm

Sand wrote: »

Don't worry. I'm sure they'll herd some Cubans into an open air prison camp under armed guard and keep them in the depths of poverty for future generations of tourists to come and experience the 'real' Cuba.

Can you imagine the cheek of someone foreign lamenting the loss of "old" Ireland and its modernity because they liked coming here as tourists to see the "real" country? Welcome to the looney left.

Yourself isit · 26-11-2016 4:04pm

There is a definite element of your dictator is better than our dictator. I admired Castro for fighting the US hegemon. Not so much the over reliance on a Marxism that was past it's sell date. Europe now needs to free itself from US hegemony.

Jawgap · 26-11-2016 4:06pm

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Or because Castro overthrew these collaborators with the US-sponsored dictator of Cuba, Fulgencio Batista, and they were itching to return to Cuba to regain their positions in said puppet regime and carry on persecuting the Cubans/enriching themselves on behalf of US political and economic interests?

Make no mistake about it: Cuba under Castro in 1968 was a far fairer society than Cuba under Batista/US colonial occupation in 1958.

Really? And the 30,000 he imprisoned for refusing to fight in the war in Angola? That was fair how?

Btw, the most conservative estimate of the number of deaths Castro was responsible for is 9,240. These are named victims of which the circumstances of their deaths are known, with those circumstances confirmed by two independent sources. You can check the database out yourself.....http://cubaarchive.org/wordpress/

....and as for 1968 being fairer in Cuba than 1958, it might be worth noting that the preferred method of capital punishment in 1968 in Cuba involved blood extraction sufficient to produce cerebral anaemia, unconsciousness and paralysis before execution.

Why do it that way?

.....because that way the regime could extract about seven pints of blood from each person for sale to Vietnam. Apparently the going rate was $50 per pint and it was done not just to help the Vietnamese with their war but to earn hard currency.

Alf Stewart. · 26-11-2016 4:08pm

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Oh dont worry, I agree, its just I see the constant rhetoric typed out from the same posters time and time again, but they are usually evidently quiet when it comes to condemnation of other "regimes".

You can't condemn one without the other.

Permabear · 26-11-2016 4:09pm

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Alf Stewart. · 26-11-2016 4:11pm

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Isn't Michael D a socialist?

Permabear · 26-11-2016 4:13pm

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A Little Pony · 26-11-2016 4:13pm

Radiosonde wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

I see Jeremy Corbyn has commented and that is why he should never be Prime Minister. Not that he has a hope of winning a general election anyway.

Castro was a man without honor.

Thatcher was PM for a decade, and was a friend of brutal Chilean dictator Pinochet. Successive UK governments have maintained close relations with the hideous Saudi regime. What's so awful about Corbyn paying tribute to Castro?

Here we go again..

The guy was a despot who stopped elections, didn't allow trade Unions to exist. I could not imagine living in such a country when I could not express my opinion via a free and democratic election. He was a disgrace!

Alf Stewart. · 26-11-2016 4:14pm

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I can just see Enda with the "shemagh" wrapped around his gob now:pac:

Radiosonde · 26-11-2016 4:16pm

A Little Pony wrote: »

Here we go again..

The guy was a despot who stopped elections, didn't allow trade Unions to exist. I could not imagine living in such a country when I could not express my opinion via a free and democratic election. He was a disgrace!

Are you talking about Castro or Pinochet or the Saudis?

Alf Stewart. · 26-11-2016 4:17pm

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This one still gets me every time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZFR0NWpjio

A Little Pony · 26-11-2016 4:28pm

Radiosonde wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Here we go again..

The guy was a despot who stopped elections, didn't allow trade Unions to exist. I could not imagine living in such a country when I could not express my opinion via a free and democratic election. He was a disgrace!

Are you talking about Castro or Pinochet or the Saudis?

All of them. The fact the damn Yankees support Saudi Arabia is a disgrace.

Radiosonde · 26-11-2016 4:32pm

A Little Pony wrote: »

All of them. The fact the damn Yankees support Saudi Arabia is a disgrace.

The UK are fans too. And you won't see Enda condemning Ireland's largest trading partner in the Middle East any time soon either.

A Little Pony · 26-11-2016 4:33pm

Radiosonde wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

All of them. The fact the damn Yankees support Saudi Arabia is a disgrace.

The UK are fans too. And you won't see Enda condemning Ireland's largest trading partner in the Middle East any time soon either.

Hate Saudi Arabia, but then I don't like any of those dictator middle east countries.

recipio · 26-11-2016 4:39pm

A Little Pony wrote: »

All of them. The fact the damn Yankees support Saudi Arabia is a disgrace.

Oil dear boy, oil.

padd b1975 · 26-11-2016 5:00pm

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Isn't Michael D a socialist?[/quote]
I think that ship has well and truly sailed at this stage.

Atoms for Peace · 26-11-2016 5:19pm

The west will deal with anyone as long as it gains, Castro wasn't going to sell out to make Cuba just another banana republic.

"euronews: But can you have a dialogue with a more and more authoritarian President?
Jean-Claude-Juncker: I must have a dialogue with many people, even those whose company I do not appreciate much. We, the European Union, have links with regimes that are odious. And nobody asks us about it. Everybody’s worried about Turkey but nobody’s talking about Saudi Arabia. We have relations with all dictatorships because we need to organize, to co-organize the world. And with Turkey and its president I have regular meetings, with the president we have man to man conversations from time to time. I’ve known him for the last 17-18 years. I know him, but he also knows me."
http://www.euronews.com/2016/11/25/on-migration-i-d-like-europe-to-refrain-from-giving-lessons-to-turkey-says-jean

rafatoni · 26-11-2016 5:30pm

brickmauser wrote: »

Do you admire one party rule an oppressive police state mass imprisonment and execution of opposition decades of tyranny and his cult of personality?

Why would you wish this on the Cuban people if you wouldn't wish it on yourself and your own country?

Anyone who admires Castro is deluded or psychologically deranged.

What other dictators do you admire?

google some kittens. It will make you feel better.

I had the pleasure of going to havana in 2001 and the place, people were so nice.

I had dinner one night with this lovely family i met and we drank some beers. So friendly.

People comparing it to North Korea. Dear lord save us.

Yourself isit · 26-11-2016 5:50pm

George Galloway just opined that the only place where torture now exists in Cuba is Guantanamo.

A fair point. Well made.

Gatling · 26-11-2016 6:06pm

Another day and another tyrant falls ,

Hopefully we see the biggest party ever in Miami tonight

Avatar MIA · 26-11-2016 6:23pm

Yourself isit wrote: »

George Galloway just opined that the only place where torture now exists in Cuba is Guantanamo.

A fair point. Well made.

It's not. It's a fcuking sound byte. That ape is famous for them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Cuba

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 26-11-2016 6:24pm

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Those Cubans who get automatic residency in the US and all voted for Trump to keep other Latinos out. Fleeing death squads in Central America? Go **** yourself, we're the only ones with the right to be here.

brickmauser · 26-11-2016 6:33pm

nacho libre wrote: »

So no doubt we will see you and your comrades denounce George Bush Senior when he passes,because you are morally consistent. Of course you hypocrites wont. Right wing imperalism which is cosy with dictators is routinely excused or ignored by you and your comrades. They have presided over the torture and murder of thousands of people too,but hey if they have the right economic model this can be overlooked or excused. Afterall God is on America's side. Maybe you and the likes of sand will prove me wrong by taking the time to denounce George bush Senior for his crimes.

You can't refute that Castro was a tyrant.

Send Bush to hell too. 100%

Jawgap · 26-11-2016 7:09pm

https://twitter.com/dprk_news/status/802570806609874944

Gatling · 26-11-2016 7:15pm

Jawgap wrote: »

https://twitter.com/dprk_news/status/802570806609874944

Lol typical NKR

Avatar MIA · 26-11-2016 7:19pm

Jawgap wrote: »

https://twitter.com/dprk_news/status/802570806609874944

The responses were quick. Pity their own people can't see them.

MPFGLB · 26-11-2016 7:29pm

FA Hayek wrote: »

We will have the usual people fawning over him now, but that is a knee jerk reaction.

This man was a dictator, plain and simple. He ruled a country with a iron fist and consigned them to poverty all in the name of an ideology, an ideology that has failed time and again. He never sought to reform it, not when the USSR fell, not when China ditched the marxist rhetoric and opened up its country to investment, a decision that brought 400 million people from abject poverty into the middle class. Even with these self evident facts, Cuba still harks back to the communism of the 1950's, because of this man and his god.

The only reason this man is popular with the usual middle class Irish hipster is because a) He was a communist (his heart was in the right place even though he was a dictator so he gets a pass) b) he stood up to America. Thats.is.it

Strip away his Latin beard and cigars he was a Eamon de Valera. Dev with his social conservatism and economic polices consigned two generations of Irish people to poverty due to protectionism and the the moral authority of the Church. Castro did the same under the moral Authority of Communism.

I hope now the people of Cuba embrace western liberalism, liberalism in terms of the free exchange of ideas, free trade and strong independent institutions who can raise the living standards of all Cubans.

Donals Trump is advocating protectionism and just won an US President election on that mandate
I admire the support of Castro for the poor in his country especally the emphasis on education, health and social care. y ..Cuba owes alot of its poverty to US embago. and not soley Catro policies
However communism is not an ideal political paradigm ...in fact its has as many faults as capitalism ...its just capitalism takes alot longer to produce the poor results in any nation...as we are about to find out

The Talking Bread · 26-11-2016 7:30pm

Trump:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyNQ6TdXcAAFIHm.jpg:large

RIP Fidel Castro

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