Dáil is an ‘assembly of half-wits and lunatics’ - Michael O'Leary

CatFromHue

osarusan wrote: »

I don't agree.

I don't think his undoubted achievements in one field means that what he says about another field should automatically be respected or considered worth listening to.

In fact, the crude way in which he speaks, the way in which he exaggerates, makes me think that he is not taking yourself seriously and not worth listening to.

The way he speaks is not the way a person speaks when they have a serious point to make and want to be taken seriously.

Well what he said at the meeting made a lot of sense to me. In the past he's made a lot of sensible comments which when you consider his business achievements makes him worthy of being listened to.

Not everything he says is right of course.

midnight city

If you want the average working week to be pushed up to about 48 hours and annual leave to be about 2 weeks a year all while getting paid as little as the bosses can get away with then make O'Leary Taoiseach.

Oodoov

midnight city wrote: »

If you want the average working week to be pushed up to about 48 hours and annual leave to be about 2 weeks a year all while getting paid as little as the bosses can get away with then make O'Leary Taoiseach.

I'd do the extra hours if it meant he'd sort of the health, education actually the public service in general. We've voted in idiots like Kenny for all of my lifetime and the country is no better off. Sometimes you need a drastic change or to shake things up to get success ask any business leader.

The majority of people in this country are going around with their heads buried in the sand as to how bad a spot we are in.

Goya

I think FG have been doing a much better job than their predecessors, who are far more to blame for any mess.

Fleawuss

Fleawuss wrote: »

Well let's apply the Ryanair model to the country: we're going to get people to do the jobs of two or three people at once, expand services, have lots of hidden costs, charge for services previously included in the price, launch pr offensives about side issues, have sh*t quality for the client, make wealthy people even wealthier.


Thanks Mr O'Leary. We've tried it and it has seriously pissed off most of the population. You are quite right about the Dail: only the type of people you describe would apply your business model to a society. Now fcuk off.

Mr o'Leary who claims he is adverse to b0llocksology...except when it comes to implementing it as part of his business model that is

Flimpson

Flimpson wrote: »

I think FG have been doing a much better job than their predecessors, who are far more to blame for any mess.

I agree with the predecessors but FG have and always have been out for the wealthier echelons of society and their leader is a useless weakling who'll hammer his own people at every opportunity but cower down to his EU and world counterparts

Wheeliebin30

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I agree with the predecessors but FG have and always have been out for the wealthier echelons of society and their leader is a useless weakling who'll hammer his own people at every opportunity but cower down to his EU and world counterparts

FG have always been out for the wealthier echelons of society?

Any link to that statement with evidence or is it another soundbite from the book of Murphy and koppinger?

Wheeliebin30

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

FG have always been out for the wealthier echelons of society?

Any link to that statement with evidence or is it another soundbite from the book of Murphy and koppinger?

its my own perception but the very fact that multi national companies worth billions are paying little to no tax relative to income while people still lie on hospital trollies for one. They have solved no problem in Ireland despite all of their own promises. Cronyism is still the order of the day. There is still corruption and we are headed for yet another property bubble

Im no fan of the populist and so called socialist opposition and i think personally if they got into power (which they dont want) they are more than likely the opposite side of the same coin so please dont tar me with that shíte just because im disagreeing with the good old blueshirts.

Some interesting facts presented in these articles
http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/fine-gael-robin-hood-1850124-Dec2014/
http://www.kenfoxe.com/2016/02/why-did-fine-gael-government-postpone-decision-on-tax-loophole-used-as-vehicle-for-tax-avoidance-by-wealthy-individuals/

Alf Stewart.

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

FG have always been out for the wealthier echelons of society?

Mobile license.

Property tax that doesn't apply to land banks.

Water meter installation contract.

First time buyers grant on new builds only.

Any link to that statement with evidence or is it another soundbite from the book of Murphy and koppinger?

Who?

relax carry on

[Deleted User] wrote: »

its my own perception but the very fact that multi national companies worth billions are paying little to no tax relative to income...[/yquote]

Just a little bit on this soundbite that gets thrown out like some sort purely Irish phenomenon. International tax is an extremely complex area of study and is constantly changing so you will find drivel for the most part in newspaper articles.
1 CT is due on profit not income.
2 Effective CT rates in every country differs from its headline rate due to the raft of tax incentives in each county's respective tax legislation.
3 The international tax system is pretty much broken and has been for decades. Ireland and it's politicians did not cause it, but have benefitted from it to an extent. Look to US for the source of most of the world's international tax issues. Every so often the world tries to sort the system out but its never enough and lacks full support and implementation. The league of nations had the first go in the 20's trying to fix it. Currently the BEPS Project is the latest attempt to bring some semblance of fairness to the system. It has good ideas but with Trump's presidency looming it could be watered down or collapse. Separately some countries are operating unilaterally to address the system but that will most likely create more issues.

It's a worldwide problem not just an Irish one and will take an unprecedented commitment from all countries to fix it.

Anyway back to how everything is so horrible here.

Drumpot

Flimpson wrote: »

I think FG have been doing a much better job than their predecessors, who are far more to blame for any mess.

That's setting the bar very low.

FG are good caretakers at following orders from our European "friends". The first chance they had some Leigh way to make some decisions and show some prudent restraint they try to buy an election.

The central bank brings in prudent regulation to cool down property prices and pressure from somewhere results in a watering down of said regulation.

I don't blame FG by the way. It's the electorate that's the problem. I find it funny how people blame parties. Elected governments makes awfully shortsighted populist decisions because Irish voters Want them. Cue crisis, Ireland is in worse trouble because of said populist decisions and the blame goes to the party. Nobody learns anything and nothing changes... Rinse and repeat cycle..

Ooohh, look at those stupid yanks, we would never vote in Trump :rolleyes:

A Little Pony

The Dail is full of corrupt politicians.

KingBrian2

A Little Pony wrote: »

The Dail is full of corrupt politicians.

Some good ones too.

Laois_Man

Is The Michael getting ideas from the rise of The Donald

I know some would welcome his arrival in Irish politics.

I wouldn't!

Laois_Man

Laois_Man wrote: »

Is The Michael getting ideas from the rise of The Donald

I know some would welcome his arrival in Irish politics.

I wouldn't!

He likes to portray himself as some anti bureaucratic no-nonsense, no búll****, bastion of common sense but the practices of his airline contradicts this.

Wheeliebin30

[Deleted User] wrote: »

its my own perception but the very fact that multi national companies worth billions are paying little to no tax relative to income while people still lie on hospital trollies for one. They have solved no problem in Ireland despite all of their own promises. Cronyism is still the order of the day. There is still corruption and we are headed for yet another property bubble

Im no fan of the populist and so called socialist opposition and i think personally if they got into power (which they dont want) they are more than likely the opposite side of the same coin so please dont tar me with that shíte just because im disagreeing with the good old blueshirts.


So you have equated apple and their tax issues to people lying on hospital beds.

You do know Ireland spends 20 billion on welfare each year and another 20 billion on health.

13 billion will sort it all out.

kuntboy

The politicians could never do what it takes to fix the country. The people wouldn't accept it. The people want to have their 3 hour lunches, their long work days of twiddling their thumbs, their lavish gold plated pensions at age 55 etc, etc. They organize unions to get this free stuff. The politicians daren't take on the unions. So stop complaining, you lazy Irish scroungers. The whole country is on a gravy train ffs.

Goya

kuntboy wrote: »

The politicians could never do what it takes to fix the country. The people wouldn't accept it. The people want to have their 3 hour lunches, their long work days of twiddling their thumbs, their lavish gold plated pensions at age 55 etc, etc. They organize unions to get this free stuff. The politicians daren't take on the unions. So stop complaining, you lazy Irish scroungers. The whole country is on a gravy train ffs.

... which logically would include you.

Skommando

Ireland gets who Ireland votes for.

Honest people don't go into Irish politics.

And O'Leary is no better than any of the people he's criticising.

ressem

Oodoov wrote: »

I'd do the extra hours if it meant he'd sort of the health, education actually the public service in general. We've voted in idiots like Kenny for all of my lifetime and the country is no better off. Sometimes you need a drastic change or to shake things up to get success ask any business leader.

The majority of people in this country are going around with their heads buried in the sand as to how bad a spot we are in.

The improvements from unspecified "drastic changes" are rarely delivered.

I'd like the candidates to run a wiki / smartsheet type page to specify their priorities pre-election; and see whether this person has put any thought into their Oireachtas soundbite beyond what's in the news today.

How many of the electorate do the same preparatory work? Doesn't look like many people are upvoting / downvoting answers on KildareStreet. There's RSS feeds so you can subscribe to your representatives utterings without filtering from INM / RTE.

If John Crown's blog is correct, more than 10% of adults in this country are waiting for treatment in the health service? Maybe it would be possible for us to co-ordinate to assist the public service in achieving efficiencies, in ways that laws on information sharing prohibit the staff themselves?
Where sensible, meeting in a local centre, so nurses didn't spend time running from house to house?

There are improvements, but they have to be graduated in. E.g. the Health Service are running a NIMIS project to modernize radiology image delivery and archiving.
Target is to reduce the delivery time of radiology images from weeks to under an hour, and have a standardized archive of images available over the network to provide to your doctor, giving them and the surrounding staff work-time currently spent on document retrieval and duplication.
http://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/NIMIS/delivery/

Ulysses Gaze

Well he's got their number alright.

Ireland gets who Ireland votes for.

Honest people don't go into Irish politics.

And O'Leary is no better than any of the people he's criticising.

It's the same everywhere.

Skommando

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

It's the same everywhere.

This is not an acceptable excuse for political corruption lieing and incompetency.
I don't care what they do "everywhere" I only care how it effects Ireland.
Murder rape and robbery is also "the same everywhere", it doesn't justify or excuse it.

Ulysses Gaze

Skommando wrote: »

This is not an acceptable excuse for political corruption lieing and incompetency.
I don't care what they do "everywhere" I only care how it effects Ireland.
Murder rape and robbery is also "the same everywhere".

the solution is

A) Don't Vote and continue to complain on Boards and bang your fist on that metaphorical Bar Counter

Allow the Status Quo to continue and continue to complain on Boards and bang your fist on that metaphorical Bar Counter.

C) Run for politics yourself.

D) Don't vote and don't give a ****.

Skommando

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

the solution is

A) Don't Vote and continue to complain on Boards and bang your fist on that metaphorical Bar Counter

Allow the Status Quo to continue and continue to complain on Boards and bang your fist on that metaphorical Bar Counter.

C) Run for politics yourself.

D) Don't vote and don't give a ****.

Or whinge like yourself when anyone doesn't go along with it.

You'd be the first on here crying and whinging if anything happened you or your family and the justification was, "it's the same everywhere"

Ulysses Gaze

Skommando wrote: »

Or whinge like yourself when anyone doesn't go along with it.

You'd be the first on here crying and whinging if anything happened you or your family and the justification was, "it's the same everywhere"

Well what are you going to do about the system here?

Because you are the one pissing and moaning on here.

Skommando

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Well what are you going to do about the system here?

Because you are the one pissing and moaning on here.

I'll insist on the same when the negative consequences occur to you.
"stop complaining, it happens everywhere"

and you're the one whining when someone doesn't go along with it, in the hope that it will politically silence people.

Im sure as Ulysses correctly pointed out that there is corruption everywhere.

I think the truth is that as humans we are easily swayed by a chancer and the Irish are particularly guilty in this regard. We take people at face value.

Id probably be guilty of this myself if im being completely honest. Another thing is that we all live in our own bubble today. Society as a whole has become very me fein and self centred. At the end of the day, few of us give a fúck about our country, our county and our community so long as the issues that directly affect us are resolved. Yes, there is magnificent selfless people out there that do trojan work in their community but overall we probably need to do more.

I would feel id have a bit to offer my own community in terms of ideas and solutions but our community council like the GAA is a bit of a closed shop. That's the other end of the scale.

Ulysses Gaze

Skommando wrote: »

I'll insist on the same when the negative consequences occur to you.
"stop complaining, it happens everywhere"

Actually you're the one whining that someone doesn't go along with it.

I'm not whining. Just stating a fact.

You've not answered the question though, have you?

So I guess it's the barstool for you then?

I thought you'd surprise me and pick option C) since you seem to care so passionately about this topic.

Idbatterim

this is all hypothetical off the wall stuff, but forget joining a current party, he would have to start his own, be the leader, take 20-25% of the vote and you have serious clout if you are either the main party of the junior one in government...

Skommando

Deleted User wrote: »

Im sure as Ulysses correctly pointed out that there is corruption everywhere.

By using that piss poor justification there's also rape and robbery everywhere, so it's all good then, until it happens you or your family of course, but we can smugly say to you, it happens everywhere.