Dáil is an ‘assembly of half-wits and lunatics’ - Michael O'Leary

snubbleste

So says everyone's favourite businessman Michael O'Leary
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/o-leary-calls-d%C3%A1il-assembly-of-half-wits-and-lunatics-1.2882008

Mr O’Leary said the Irish electorate needed to take responsibility for choices made at the ballot box. People needed to stop voting in the local lunatic or the village idiot if they wanted a strong, serious government - “We, when given the opportunity, chose to vote in the worst assembly of half-wits and lunatics.
The electorate cannot complain about the lack of activity by this Government because it was what they voted for.

Is he right?
I think he is. We have a very fair democratic voting system. The Dáil and its actions is basically a reflection of ourselves.

Mr Joe

100% on the money. Look at the bile spewed by idiots like Coppinger every day and along with the Left wing media setting the narrative. What he said about RTE and the Irish Times was even better and more accurate.

The flying mouse

Yea I think he is right to, But in all fairness our options are not great...

The_Valeyard

snubbleste wrote: »

So says everyone's favourite businessman Michael O'Leary
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/o-leary-calls-d%C3%A1il-assembly-of-half-wits-and-lunatics-1.2882008

Is he right?
I think he is. We have a very fair democratic voting system. The Dáil and its actions is basically a reflection of ourselves.

I like our voting system. It gives a wide view and representation of people in society. The PR system is far better than the UK approach or the US electoral college method.

The flying mouse

Mr Joe wrote: »

100% on the money. Look at the bile spewed by idiots like Coppinger every day and along with the Left wing media setting the narrative. What he said about RTE and the Irish Times was even better and more accurate.

A left wing hasn't been in government here ever.

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Uriel.

I also agree with him. There's an inability amongst the Irish electorate to be cognisant of bigger pictures and of national issues.

However, the electoral set up in Ireland is dysfunctional which keeps the cycle of idiocy going.

Mr Joe

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I like our voting system. It gives a wide view and representation of people in society. The PR system is far better than the UK approach or the US electoral college method.

In some ways it is in some ways it isn't. It's good it isn't a closed 2 party system. But it helps ensure we get pathetic governance ie the current Circus with independents.

Mr. FoggPatches

He's our princess di Donald trump.

_Kaiser_

Hard to argue with him. Many that fit that description in all the current parties and Independent groups

brickmauser

The selections of candidates to parties are made at cummans and constituency meetings which are made up of or ruled by members of the same families who were on the local steering committees of the Volunteers a century ago. A great grandfather or grandfather of a serving TD won the seat in the 1918 election and took either side in the civil war. The same is true of many county councillors. The seats are owned by these families or extended members and handed down generation to generation when voters are instructed to do so by canvassers. If your father or mother always voted for the father of the local candidate now you will vote for his son. That way you can get into Gardai get a job as a teacher civil servant and get your kids a place in the local school and get your planning permission and get a cancer check before everyone else.

Donal55

We get what we deserve.

ChunkyLover54

No way. A person complaining about politicians? Stop the f**king press!

Yourself isit

brickmauser wrote: »

The selections of candidates to parties are made at cummans and constituency meetings which are made up of or ruled by members of the same families who were on the local steering committees of the Volunteers a century ago. A great grandfather or grandfather of a serving TD won the seat in the 1918 election and took either side in the civil war. The same is true of many county councillors. The seats are owned by these families or extended members and handed down generation to generation when voters are instructed to do so by canvassers. If your father or mother always voted for the father of the local candidate now you will vote for his son. That way you can get into Gardai get a job as a teacher civil servant and get your kids a place in the local school and get your planning permission and get a cancer check before everyone else.

I think that's an argument from the 1970's. The problem now is the independents.

Armchair Andy

Might be angling for the job himself.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Mr. FoggPatches wrote: »

He's our princess di Donald trump.

People used to say years back that a businessman like Michael O'Leary should be running the country.

Ted111

Name a single qualified, competent candidate that was on the ballot paper in any constituency in the country, in the last or in any general election?

Also I'd like Michael O'Leary to state who he gave his voting preferences to in his constituency so we can all learn from him.

mzungu

Nothing new there, what he said in that article, he has said many times before.

snubbleste

Ted111 wrote: »

Name a single qualified, competent candidate that was on the ballot paper in any constituency in the country, in the last or in any general election?

What qualifies one to run for parliament?

Donal55

snubbleste wrote: »

What qualifies one to run for parliament?

Your da ran before. I.E.Connaughton and Kenny for starters.

Buford T. Justice XIX

That's a harsh comparison on half-wits and lunatics to compare them to the government.

goose2005

brickmauser wrote: »

The selections of candidates to parties are made at cummans and constituency meetings which are made up of or ruled by members of the same families who were on the local steering committees of the Volunteers a century ago. A great grandfather or grandfather of a serving TD won the seat in the 1918 election and took either side in the civil war. The same is true of many county councillors. The seats are owned by these families or extended members and handed down generation to generation when voters are instructed to do so by canvassers. If your father or mother always voted for the father of the local candidate now you will vote for his son. That way you can get into Gardai get a job as a teacher civil servant and get your kids a place in the local school and get your planning permission and get a cancer check before everyone else.

Only 1 modern politician is a direct descendant of the War of Independence, Nessa Childers, and she's not even in the Dáil.

Ted111

snubbleste wrote: »

What qualifies one to run for parliament?

I know what I think qualifies someone to sit in parliament and I'll tell you if you want, but you're not getting my point. MOL and the people who agreed with him above are saying that Irish people are at fault for electing morons. It's for MOL and his agree'ers to point out the non morons who should have been voted in. Who was on the ballots that is top notch and didn't get the votes. Point that out, Michael, name that person, and then you can blame people for failing to vote for this great person.

In particular MOL should name who he voted for. Since he is castigating other people's voting choice - then let's us have a look at his.

Grandeeod

The flying mouse wrote: »

Yea I think he is right to, But in all fairness our options are not great...

Thats pretty much how I feel too. Our options are quite frankly pitiful. However the political culture acts as a barrier to anyone trying to be different.

snubbleste

goose2005 wrote: »

Only 1 modern politician is a direct descendant of the War of Independence, Nessa Childers, and she's not even in the Dáil.

Éamonn Ó Cuív

Grandeeod

Ted111 wrote: »

I know what I think qualifies someone to sit in parliament and I'll tell you if you want, but you're not getting my point. MOL and the people who agreed with him above are saying that Irish people are at fault for electing morons. It's for MOL and his agree'ers to point out the non morons who should have been voted in. Who was on the ballots that is top notch and didn't get the votes. Point that out, Michael, name that person, and then you can blame people for failing to vote for this great person.

In particular MOL should name who he voted for. Since he is castigating other people's voting choice - then let's us have a look at his.

The political culture acts as a barrier to anyone trying to be different. Do you understand that?

The flying mouse

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Also I'd like Michael O'Leary to state who he gave his voting preferences to in his constituency so we can all learn from him.[/QUOTE]


Yes I like the answer to that to

ygolometsipe

Ireland is too corrupt to govern effectively.

The system does not work but then democracy is massively flawed.

You would likely get a better government if it was randomly selected
like jury duty.

The public sector should also have limits on terms of service.

Rumpy Pumpy

O'Leary is a FG voter.

relax carry on

ygolometsipe wrote: »

Ireland is too corrupt to govern effectively.

The public sector should also have limits on terms of service.

The entire public service? Firemen, teachers, nurses, DSP staff, Revenue auditors etc? What is your rational for that statement and how do you see your system working?

Yourself isit

ygolometsipe wrote: »

Ireland is too corrupt to govern effectively.

The system does not work but then democracy is massively flawed.

You would likely get a better government if it was randomly selected
like jury duty.

The public sector should also have limits on terms of service.

Sortition is a very good idea I think.

Armchair Andy

What we need is a dictatorship to be won in the Lotto followed by a mass dance off in Croke Park where the weakest and unfittest (along with any tracksuits)will be shot.

Let the survivors return the state to the glory days of ehmm, ehh, I'll get back to ye on that one.

Fleawuss

Well let's apply the Ryanair model to the country: we're going to get people to do the jobs of two or three people at once, expand services, have lots of hidden costs, charge for services previously included in the price, launch pr offensives about side issues, have sh*t quality for the client, make wealthy people even wealthier.


Thanks Mr O'Leary. We've tried it and it has seriously pissed off most of the population. You are quite right about the Dail: only the type of people you describe would apply your business model to a society. Now fcuk off.

Idbatterim

Mr O’Leary said the Irish electorate needed to take responsibility for choices made at the ballot box. People needed to stop voting in the local lunatic or the village idiot if they wanted a strong, serious government - “We, when given the opportunity, chose to vote in the worst assembly of half-wits and lunatics.
The electorate cannot complain about the lack of activity by this Government because it was what they voted for.

yeah it is what was voted for, you think we have been ignoring the good candidates or parties or something michael, they are all beyond a joke! thats what gets to me, its as if we are complaining about the sham that this country is, while ignoring the good option! Spare me!

Well let's apply the Ryanair model to the country: we're going to get people to do the jobs of two or three people at once, expand services, have lots of hidden costs, charge for services previously included in the price, launch pr offensives about side issues, have sh*t quality for the client, make wealthy people even wealthier.


Thanks Mr O'Leary. We've tried it and it has seriously pissed off most of the population. You are quite right about the Dail: only the type of people you describe would apply your business model to a society. Now fcuk off.

maybe we should apply his model, you get good service for a cheap price. What do we get here, ****e results and this country spends a bloody fortune every year...

pauliebdub

While I like Ryanair for giving us cheap flights, we'd be treated like slaves on ****e money if he were in charge.

pauliebdub

Fleawuss wrote: »

Well let's apply the Ryanair model to the country: we're going to get people to do the jobs of two or three people at once, expand services, have lots of hidden costs, charge for services previously included in the price, launch pr offensives about side issues, have sh*t quality for the client, make wealthy people even wealthier.


Thanks Mr O'Leary. We've tried it and it has seriously pissed off most of the population. You are quite right about the Dail: only the type of people you describe would apply your business model to a society. Now fcuk off.

Totally agree! Be careful what you wish for is what I would say.

fly_agaric

a strong, serious government

It think likes of Micheal O'Leary wouldn't really like that though.
(Who knows) the "strong, serious" government might not always be minded to do what Michael O'Leary wants, and I'm sure its easier to get away with murder when many of the "legislators"/regulators" are, shall we say, not so focused on their job in the Dail.

ygolometsipe

relax carry on wrote: »

ygolometsipe wrote: »

Ireland is too corrupt to govern effectively.

The public sector should also have limits on terms of service.

The entire public service? Firemen, teachers, nurses, DSP staff, Revenue auditors etc? What is your rational for that statement and how do you see your system working?

I uses the term public service only in the context of politics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_service
"A civil servant or public servant is a person in the public sector employed for a government department or agency."

relax carry on wrote: »

ygolometsipe wrote: »

Ireland is too corrupt to govern effectively.

The public sector should also have limits on terms of service.

The entire public service? Firemen, teachers, nurses, DSP staff, Revenue auditors etc? What is your rational for that statement and how do you see your system working?

I uses the term public service only in the context of politics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_service
"A civil servant or public servant is a person in the public sector employed for a government department or agency."
In a good functioning democracy officers/representatives make the decisions (in theory)
and they are chosen from a selection at random.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition
However like the satire Yes minister, civil servants (politicians) can be limited by other civil
service members.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_Minister
If you read about the true foundation of Democracy it is autonomous in this regard.
by rotation.

KingBrian2

ygolometsipe wrote: »

Ireland is too corrupt to govern effectively.

The system does not work but then democracy is massively flawed.

You would likely get a better government if it was randomly selected
like jury duty.

The public sector should also have limits on terms of service.

So much hatred and veiled racism in your post.

ygolometsipe

KingBrian2 wrote: »

So much hatred and veiled racism in your post.

racism? really...

Paulzx

annnnnddddd Michael O Leary gets more free publicity in all the national newspapers, tv station s websites etc. because of yet another catchy soundbite

Well played sir.

He really is a one man pr machine.

goose2005

snubbleste wrote: »

Éamonn Ó Cuív

My mistake. Still, that's only two.

JuliusCaesar

Here he is, spouting his unreserved criticism of the goverment: http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/michael-oleary-dail-an-assembly-of-halfwits-and-lunatics-765879.html

He also reserved strong criticism for The Irish Times and RTÉ for prioritising cyclists in Ranelagh and Drumcondra over others.

WTF??

BlindBoyRB

Hard to disagree with anything he said in that article.

diomed

Not an honest man.

Wheeliebin30

He's right.

Mick Wallace who is a tax fraud who took money that was owed to his employees and who openly breaks the law.

Arcade_Tryer

Lunatic half wit refers to Government as an assembly of half wits and lunatics.

Lunatic half wit followers laud lunatic half wit leader for doing so.

All in all, a great day for lunatic half wits.

SterlingArcher

ygolometsipe wrote: »

racism? really...

Yeah. Guy at all black gang bang. Hey guys I don't like black dicks in my ass. Brian logic.. "You must be racist so".

Arcade_Tryer

diomed wrote: »

Not an honest man.

You don't get to his position as the recipient of persistent rimming and oral adulation by Newstalk radio by being an honest man.

maudgonner

goose2005 wrote: »

My mistake. Still, that's only two.

Also Seán Haughey, grandson of Seán Lemass.

Collie D

Paulzx wrote: »

annnnnddddd Michael O Leary gets more free publicity in all the national newspapers, tv station s websites etc. because of yet another catchy soundbite

Well played sir.

He really is a one man pr machine.

100% this.

O'Leary spouts some anti-government claptrap every year and the media and its consumers fall over themselves to say "Oh, Michael should be running the country" despite the guy having never put forward a solution or an opinion other than a moaning soundbite. And God help us if he did, I doubt the man does democracy.

In other news, Ryanair are having their Black Friday sale all weekend.

Oodoov

He's bang on the money. A society that votes in utter clowns like Varadkar, Ahern, Kenny, Healy Rae, Boyd Barrett, Donohoe etc... deserves all that's coming to them.