Dairy chit chat II

stanflt

jaymla627 wrote: »

How in the name of God the actual value of grass is 197 sterling a ton of dm is mind-boggling, take a strict grass based farm stocked at 3 cows per hectare, and 4000 litres a cow being got from grass.....
Assume 16 ton grass ha is being utilised which would be top 10%, ha of grass is worth apparently 3152 pound a year, if you take a average milk price of 23 pence including good solids for a Welsh farmer he would be looking at a total income of 2760 in milk sales, so from a start point their grass true worth value is minus nearly 400 pounds, before all the other fixed and variable costs that occur as part of running a dairy farm.....

Bufford will you please post the correct costings who had

Unbiased real results- no feed companies involved in the results which I posted on twitter

Buford will post it as it won't let me for some reason

Buford T. Justice XIX

stanflt wrote: »

Bufford will you please post the correct costings who had

Unbiased real results- no feed companies involved in the results which I posted on twitter

Buford will post it as it won't let me for some reason

I just tuned back into the conversation, Stan, I was going to put it up. Interesting comparison of costs with different grass yields.

stanflt

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I just tuned back into the conversation, Stan, I was going to put it up. Interesting comparison of costs with different grass yields.

Put up the cost comparison one I posted before that please

Buford T. Justice XIX

This one?

stanflt

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

This one?

Big difference in costs compared to welsh study by feed companies

yosemitesam1

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

This one?

Would that work out very similar to the welsh figures if their's included a land charge versus none for teagasc figures?
Cant see where the figure for grass value could possibly be coming from

Mooooo

Are lads getting maize into the pit at that? assuming 7.5t dm/acre that would 855 per acre, and that wouldn't be a bad yield either. What are figures are they using to come to 114?

stanflt

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Would that work out very similar to the welsh figures if their's included a land charge versus none for teagasc figures?
Cant see where the figure for grass value could possibly be coming from

Land charge would add 20-30 euro a ton depending on output

By the looks of it the Welsh study was based on about 6-8 ton dm per ha

stanflt

Mooooo wrote: »

Are lads getting maize into the pit at that? assuming 7.5t dm/acre that would 855 per acre, and that wouldn't be a bad yield either. What are figures are they using to come to 114?

Maize is costing me

200 acre land charge
215 acre for seed spray and plastic
240 acre for plough to pit
150 acre for fert

So about 2000 a ha to grow on an average of 17.5t dm per ha so around 114 which is bang on the money

My first cut silage would be dearer

Mooooo

stanflt wrote: »

Maize is costing me

200 acre land charge
215 acre for seed spray and plastic
240 acre for plough to pit
150 acre for fert

So about 2000 a ha to grow on an average of 17.5t dm per ha so around 114 which is bang on the money

My first cut silage would be dearer

Contractor or yourself doing the machine work? much of a distance from pit? Charged about 950 an acre here into pit. Would you get those yields consistently?

stanflt

Mooooo wrote: »

Contractor or yourself doing the machine work? much of a distance from pit? Charged about 950 an acre here into pit. Would you get those yields consistently?

Contractor doing all the work

Prob did 22 ton this yr- 17 would be poor yield

We are spoilt with the quality of ground around us

Brown Podzol

stanflt wrote: »

Big difference in costs compared to welsh study by feed companies

You can't feed a cow with grass anyway, according to Throuw Nutrition you will struggle to get 12kg/dm into a Holstein cow and she won't graze by night at all. She will have to get 11/kg in the shed. About two minutes into the video.:D


http://youtu.be/pbaBtDkVoCA

Signpost

Not sure if anyone uses the Desoan Teatfoam but just saw it on offer with Glanbia for 355 for 200 litres, not a bad price?
https://www.glanbiaconnect.com/Dairy-Hygiene/Deosan-Teatfoam-Advance-200l/p/000000000009084088

Keepgrowing

Boards has gone arse ways on my phone. I some how changed to a touch version that is different to what I was using. It doesn't allow pics to be attached with a post.

I tried logging into full site and getting into touch that way but keeps coming back to this. I can't screen shot it. Help please

whelan2

Changed pump on scrapers today, had put a new change over valve on them-400 euro- no difference, had gotten motor redone in the summer, no difference, new pump today , great job , twice as fast as before. He put the old changeover valve back on as it was ok. Should reduce electricity bill too

Mooooo

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Boards has gone arse ways on my phone. I some how changed to a touch version that is different to what I was using. It doesn't allow pics to be attached with a post.

I tried logging into full site and getting into touch that way but keeps coming back to this. I can't screen shot it. Help please

Down the bottom it should say legacy site I think, go to that.

Water John

Welcome back to the cows***e, Whelan!!

whelan2

Water John wrote: »

Welcome back to the cows***e, Whelan!!

Aye indeed, lovely break away. Great to recharge the batteries. All was well looked after while I was away.

Keepgrowing

Mooooo wrote: »

Down the bottom it should say legacy site I think, go to that.

Thank you

Keepgrowing

Mooooo wrote: »

Down the bottom it should say legacy site I think, go to that.

This is what I was trying to post.
Grass growth to 2/11..Haven't measured since but no change I'd say. Paddocks there need immediate reseeding.

GrasstoMilk

Keepgrowing wrote: »

This is what I was trying to post.
Grass growth to 2/11..Haven't measured since but no change I'd say. Paddocks there need immediate reseeding.

How many grazings have you averaged/paddock?

Keepgrowing

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

How many grazings have you averaged/paddock?

12

charolais0153

Keepgrowing wrote: »

This is what I was trying to post.
Grass growth to 2/11..Haven't measured since but no change I'd say. Paddocks there need immediate reseeding.

Is that similiar to last year I thought 18t would be the absolute maximum for growth. I didn't measure properly this year, I missed a month in march/april ,june /July , Oct /Nov so it skews my figures . everything after field number 1 is very inaccurate (we divided fields in the summer so they didn't have spring and early summer grass recorded.

Keepgrowing

charolais0153 wrote: »

Is that similiar to last year I thought 18t would be the absolute maximum for growth. I didn't measure properly this year, I missed a month in march/april ,june /July , Oct /Nov so it skews my figures . everything after field number 1 is very inaccurate (we divided fields in the summer so they didn't have spring and early summer grass recorded. https://pasturebase.teagasc.ie/Reserved.ReportViewerWebControl.axd?ReportSession=actxxbve5z5nzludukr0banr&Culture=6153&CultureOverrides=True&UICulture=1033&UICultureOverrides=True&ReportStack=1&ControlID=8207eff7970648b88348eb5eb7555468&OpType=ReportImage&IterationId=d6acf2e9262a44f799bdc067e524d322&StreamID=IMGCON_1_0

I can't open the link. Yes it's the same as last year. The range is 13 to 22 tonne. I can't see any point investing in rising top paddocks but I'd say we'd gain money by aggressively going after the lower ones.

They say each tonne is worth €220/tonne. By bringing up these we may be able to rise tonnes grown to 19/20. It's estimated that each extra tonne grown is worth €220 then it might be possible to add €200-300 profit per ha, well worth the investment.

I'm attaching a formula that'll help you calculate your tonnes utilised per ha

charolais0153

Keepgrowing wrote: »

I can't open the link. Yes it's the same as last year. The range is 13 to 22 tonne. I can't see any point investing in rising top paddocks but I'd say we'd gain money by aggressively going after the lower ones.

They say each tonne is worth €220/tonne. By bringing up these we may be able to rise tonnes grown to 19/20. It's estimated that each extra tonne grown is worth €220 then it might be possible to add €200-300 profit per ha, well worth the investment.

I'm attaching a formula that'll help you calculate your tonnes utilised per ha

What about the ewes:) [I updated the last post]

degetme

Keepgrowing wrote: »

I can't open the link. Yes it's the same as last year. The range is 13 to 22 tonne. I can't see any point investing in rising top paddocks but I'd say we'd gain money by aggressively going after the lower ones.

They say each tonne is worth €220/tonne. By bringing up these we may be able to rise tonnes grown to 19/20. It's estimated that each extra tonne grown is worth €220 then it might be possible to add €200-300 profit per ha, well worth the investment.

I'm attaching a formula that'll help you calculate your tonnes utilised per ha

what's the average? 10.65t on that formula here

whelan2

Starting Ai here today. 2 weeks later than last year , 3 weeks ai and 3 weeks angus bull. New era here too, first dovea ai man here ever. Have always been a pg person but competition is good and I am going with the lad who is more eager for the work.

GrasstoMilk

Got this yesterday.
I presume the (1) beside the flaked maize means it's ingredient number 1?

Mooooo

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Got this yesterday.
I presume the (1) beside the flaked maize means it's ingredient number 1?

No the order it's written in is the main ingredients proportion. The number 1 refers to the note written below it

Buford T. Justice XIX

Mooooo wrote: »

No the order it's written in is the main ingredients proportion. The number 1 refers to the note written below it

Wheat distillers dried grain produced from GM maize?

Am I missing something here?