Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

Jimoslimos

maryishere wrote: »

From the Berlin Airlift on ( when Aircrews from the United States Air Force, the British Royal Air Force, the Royal Canadian Air Force, the Royal Australian Air Force, the Royal New Zealand Air Force, and the South African Air Force flew over 200,000 flights in one year, providing to the West Berliners up to 8,893 tons of necessities each day, such as fuel and food ) the UK played its part in defending Western Europe from the Russian Threat.

Kudos in displaying your usual talent in dragging thread topics off-track. Any chance you could work the Catholic Church, FF, 1916, etc in there as well?

Notwithstanding it is frowned upon to cut and paste whole paragraphs from the internet without giving a source - original or primary would be best but in your case we'll accept Wikipedia.

steddyeddy

thomasj wrote: »

From the guardian - Didn't see that coming !

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/25/exclusive-leaked-recording-shows-what-theresa-may-really-thinks-about-brexit[URL][/url]

There is no way May wanted Brexit.

Capt'n Midnight

Del.Monte wrote: »

If Britain hadn't stood up to Germany on its own for the first years of WW.II. the chances are that the EU as it is today would instead be a fascist German superstate.

Not a chance. Over 90% of German Army casualties were on the Russian Front.

If anything it would have been a Russian superstate. :pac:


It could equally be argued that had the UK, France and Poland stood up to Germany when Czechoslovakia was threatened things could have been very different.

thomasj

Fratton Fred wrote:

didn't see what coming?

steddyeddy wrote:

There is no way May wanted Brexit.

Point is it doesn't help your cause in promoting brexit if you have that lingering in the background.

Junkyard Tom

maryishere wrote: »

And the Arctic Convoys in WW2, from UK to Russia, to help defeat Germany. Remember them too.;)

Britain did not have the capacity to defeat Germany by itself. Without the aid of the US Britain would have been screwed.

Keep going with your exalting of all things British and denigration of all things Irish.

A Dub in Glasgo

Jimoslimos wrote: »

Notwithstanding it is frowned upon to cut and paste whole paragraphs from the internet without giving a source - original or primary would be best but in your case we'll accept Wikipedia.

I always google her/his posts to find where they have been plagerised from

maryishere

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Not a chance. Over 90% of German Army casualties were on the Russian Front.

The British and US did not generally shoot them as they surrendered, but nevertheless the point of war is to make the enemy soldiers die in battle rather than your own. And according to the records of the western Allies 2.8 million German soldiers surrendered on the Western Front between D-day and the end of April '45. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_casualties_in_World_War_II

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Britain did not have the capacity to defeat Germany by itself. Without the aid of the US Britain would have been screwed.

Keep going with your exalting of all things British and denigration of all things Irish.

Actually I do not exalt all things British and denigrate all things Irish. Why do you derail the thread so often?

Iwasfrozen

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Not a chance. Over 90% of German Army casualties were on the Russian Front.

If anything it would have been a Russian superstate. :pac:


It could equally be argued that had the UK, France and Poland stood up to Germany when Czechoslovakia was threatened things could have been very different.

Let's not get into this...

FrancieBrady

maryishere wrote: »

Actually I do not exalt all things British and denigrate all things Irish. Why do you derail the thread so often?

You like a bit of Irish beef, anything else?



Edit: I may have phrased that in a Benny Hill ish way. Not my intention.

maryishere

maryishere wrote: »

Correct and well said. IThe UK has done enough for Europe to date, from coming to the aid of little Catholic Belgium in WW1 ( which was raped by the Germans), coming to the aid of Europe in WW2, helping Europe after WW2 and defend it in the cold war, to being the 2nd biggest EC/EEC/EU contributor, helping us (along with the IMF ) a few years ago when nobody else would lend us money...The UK absorbed more immigrants from Poland and Latvia than any other country did...and now the EU say the UK must be punished when the UK wants to leave the EU !!!!

Just for you mary..........

Iwasfrozen

OK I can't let it slide..

Britain vs Germany alone would have been a stalemate. Germany had a larger land army but UK naval dominance ment that army could never actually reach the UK.

Phew, OK I'm good now.

maryishere

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Not sure what will happen regarding things like healthcare and social welfare for ex-pats though. It's unlikely that Spain would deport hundreds of thousands of them.

The country which Spain gets its biggest amount of tourists and business from is the UK ( 12,791,000 ) , so I would imagine the Spanish do not want to lose too much of that business.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Spain

And Aerospace is Frances biggest export , with wine second. The UK is Frances second biggest market for wine, after the USA. Would a hard brexit hit wine sales in to the UK from France? Possibly. There will be winners and losers in Brexit. I'd say the non-EC wine producers may be delighted with Brexit, for example.

Iwasfrozen

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

OK I can't let it slide..

Britain vs Germany alone would have been a stalemate. Germany had a larger land army but UK naval dominance ment that army could never actually reach the UK.

Phew, OK I'm good now.

Are you referring to ww1 or ww2?

maryishere

The luftwaffe failed to establish air superiority over the UK. I.M.O. It needed to do that ( and nearly did it) to have any chance of an invasion succeeding.

Sand

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

OK I can't let it slide..

Britain vs Germany alone would have been a stalemate. Germany had a larger land army but UK naval dominance ment that army could never actually reach the UK.

Phew, OK I'm good now.

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you referring to ww1 or ww2?

maryishere wrote: »

The luftwaffe failed to establish air superiority over the UK. I.M.O. It needed to do that ( and nearly did it) to have any chance of an invasion succeeding.

Oh god, please no.

FrancieBrady

Ish all about the war innit?

Sand

Sand wrote: »

Oh god, please no.

I know, I know, but you would have had autobahns not motorways in England......

maryishere

Hitler wanted to use Irishmen to build his autobahn to the far east, once the war was over.

Anyway, back to Brexit, I think my post (no. 706) was the last related to that.

Junkyard Tom

maryishere wrote: »

Hitler wanted to use Irishmen to build his autobahn to the far east, once the war was over.

Our history of insurrection would have been valuable in the Third Reich had the US not come to the rescue of Europe.

maryishere

The 100,000+ Irish people who fought against Nazi Germany were a lot more valuable than any insurgents could have been in defeating facism.

Grayson

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Britain did not have the capacity to defeat Germany by itself. Without the aid of the US Britain would have been screwed.

Keep going with your exalting of all things British and denigration of all things Irish.

And even with the US involvement they faced very little of the German army on the western front. The war was essentially fought on the Eastern front. It can be argued that the aid conveys helped the Russians at their darkest hour and without them Russia would have lost but really you're kinda ignoring the millions who died defending Russia.

Junkyard Tom

maryishere wrote: »

The 100,000+ Irish people who fought against Nazi Germany

Thanks to the US.

maryishere

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Thanks to the US.

The 100,000 volunteered to help the UK war effort, from the island of Ireland.
I'm not sure how many Irish fought with US forces, or if you mean Irish-Americans.

Junkyard Tom

maryishere wrote: »

The 100,000 volunteered to help the UK war effort

I'm fairly certain they'd have joined to fight the Nazis rather than for your beloved Britain who we'd only recently booted out.

maryishere

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I'm fairly certain they'd have joined to fight the Nazis rather than for your beloved Britain who we'd only recently booted out.

I'm sure they had all sorts of political opinions and none, but Brave men and women all, to fight Nazism ( and not forgetting the other Axis powers, Italy and Japan) ; respect.

Junkyard Tom

maryishere wrote: »

I'm sure they had all sorts of political opinions and none, but Brave men and women all, to fight Nazism ( and not forgetting the other Axis powers, Italy and Japan) ; respect.

I have respect for any person who chooses to fight an aggressive imperial power who has no business being where it isn't wanted.

maryishere

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I have respect for any person who chooses to fight an aggressive imperial power who has no business being where it isn't wanted.

At least you do not think that relatively small number (compared to the 100,000 who volunteered with British forces in WW2 ) fought "thanks to the US" (see your post no 716, which fails to make sense )

Anyway, enough off thread talk : my posts 706 and 712 were an attempt to get this thread back on topic, about Brexit.

Junkyard Tom

maryishere wrote: »

At least you do not think that relatively small number (compared to the 100,000 who volunteered with British forces in WW2 ) fought "thanks to the US" .

They volunteered and fought to resist the British regime here not unlike how the French resistance fought the Nazis. The Irish who fought the Nazis only got that opportunity because the Americans bankrolled the British war effort.

maryishere

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

They volunteered and fought to resist the British regime here not unlike how the French resistance fought the Nazis. The Irish who fought the Nazis only got that opportunity because the Americans bankrolled the British war effort.

WW2 was not comparable to our conflict in Ireland. The US was late for both world wars, but at least they fought eventually.

Junkyard Tom

maryishere wrote: »

WW2 was not comparable to our conflict in Ireland.

It isn't in the sense that the Germans didn't have hundreds of years of brutality, occupation, sectarian colonisation, population decimation through starvation, and general oppression of the natives to help underpin their imperialism. The French, Dutch, Belgians and Polish didn't have a 'collaborateur class' in any way comparable to ours.