Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

Del.Monte

tomwaterford wrote: »

Tbf....if Russia wanted to....theres fcuk all difference the UK/anyone really could do anyway to stop them

That's not so, as any conventional war in Europe would lead rapidly to the threat of the button being pushed. While the UK's nuclear arsenal, although tiny compared to that of Russia, would be devastating and even Putin knows that it would be used. A frightening scenario but not unrealistic.

Roanmore

maryishere wrote: »

Yea, one of then was at a dinner table with some new French acquantainces. When one of them said "Bon Appetit", he introduced his name back.

That is pathetic, using a well worn joke / cliche as if it's fact.

tomwaterford

Del.Monte wrote: »

That's not so, as any conventional war in Europe would lead rapidly to the threat of the button being pushed. While the UK's nuclear arsenal, although tiny compared to that of Russia, would be devastating and even Putin knows that it would be used. A frightening scenario but not unrealistic.

And France has no nuclear option??



Is that really all the UK has to offer Europe....a few nuclear weapons :pac:

Del.Monte

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

NATO is a international alliance - whether the UK is in the EU or not is irrelevant. What are the Europeans ungrateful for?

If Britain hadn't stood up to Germany on its own for the first years of WW.II. the chances are that the EU as it is today would instead be a fascist German superstate.

tomwaterford

maryishere wrote: »

Correct and well said. IThe UK has done enough for Europe to date, from coming to the aid of little Catholic Belgium in WW1 ( which was raped by the Germans), coming to the aid of Europe in WW2, helping Europe after WW2 and defend it in the cold war, to being the 2nd biggest EC/EEC/EU contributor, helping us (along with the IMF ) a few years ago when nobody else would lend us money...The UK absorbed more immigrants from Poland and Latvia than any other country did...and now the EU say the UK must be punished when the UK wants to leave the EU !!!!

What defending did the UK do during the cold war :pac:




Ireland per head of population by far and away absorbed more poles than any other country...and country is vastly improved for it imo

Iwasfrozen

tomwaterford wrote: »

Tbf....if Russia wanted to....theres fcuk all difference the UK/anyone really could do anyway to stop them

Nope.

Nothing at all

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/imgLib/20111122_IranMissileLaunches.jpg

tomwaterford

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Nope.

Nothing at all

http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/imgLib/20111122_IranMissileLaunches.jpg

They look like Penis pics :pac:

Junkyard Tom

Del.Monte wrote: »

If Britain hadn't stood up to Germany on its own for the first years of WW.II. the chances are that the EU as it is today would instead be a fascist German superstate.

But it never stood up to Germany on its own. Remember all those Atlantic convoys? What do think they were delivering to Britain? Chocolate cake?

Iwasfrozen

tomwaterford wrote: »

They look like Penis pics :pac:

Whatever Tom sees is Tom's business. We're all open here.

Fratton Fred

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He told them about the wealthy British farmers and Mrs Winsdor creaming the single farm payments?
Good man Enda!

I wondered what she was doing now she's left Eastenders.

maryishere

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Remember all those Atlantic convoys?

And the Arctic Convoys in WW2, from UK to Russia, to help defeat Germany. Remember them too.;)

tomwaterford wrote: »

What defending did the UK do during the cold war

From the Berlin Airlift on ( when Aircrews from the United States Air Force, the British Royal Air Force, the Royal Canadian Air Force, the Royal Australian Air Force, the Royal New Zealand Air Force, and the South African Air Force flew over 200,000 flights in one year, providing to the West Berliners up to 8,893 tons of necessities each day, such as fuel and food ) the UK played its part in defending Western Europe from the Russian Threat.

tomwaterford

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I'm glad the people in this thread aren't negotiating for Ireland.

A deal will happen because it's in both parties interests to make it happen. The EU and the UK are interdependent and neither side would tolerate a cessation of trade.

Noone said they would


Just all the Brexiters want it laughingly on their terms.....

Tbh....it's bad when graham Norton is the voice of reason on the whole thing

Del.Monte

tomwaterford wrote: »

And France has no nuclear option??



Is that really all the UK has to offer Europe....a few nuclear weapons :pac:

France would be more likely to do a deal with Moscow than fight - remember their efforts the last time when if it hadn't been for the Royal Navy they would have let their fleets fall into Nazi hands.

What else do you expect the UK to offer as all its defence spending has been diverted to the nuclear deterrent and the army/airforce are seriously depleted.

Iwasfrozen

tomwaterford wrote: »

Noone said they would


Just all the Brexiters want it laughingly on their terms.....

Tbh....it's bad when graham Norton is the voice of reason on the whole thing

The terms are to be decided but they have to be enticing enough for Britain to sign.

tomwaterford

maryishere wrote: »

From the Berlin Airlift on ( when Aircrews from the United States Air Force, the British Royal Air Force, the Royal Canadian Air Force, the Royal Australian Air Force, the Royal New Zealand Air Force, and the South African Air Force flew over 200,000 flights in one year, providing to the West Berliners up to 8,893 tons of necessities each day, such as fuel and food ) the UK played its part in defending Western Europe from the Russian Threat.

When did humanitarian work amount to defending Europe??

They should be doing it anyway if they are in a position to do so.....






By your logic trocaire is defending vast swades of Africa and the Africans should be thankful for it


Though I forgot you approve child abuse by Australia as tough love approach.....so the British logic is warped at best

tomwaterford

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The terms are to be decided but they have to be enticing enough for Britain to sign.

And if Britain deosnt sign???

Iwasfrozen

Del.Monte wrote: »

France would be more likely to do a deal with Moscow than fight - remember their efforts the last time when if it hadn't been for the Royal Navy they would have let their fleets fall into Nazi hands.

Typical surrender monkeys.

In either case there's zero chance of the US allowing Russia to to invade Europe and there's zero chance of Russia winning a conventional war against the US.

Heck there's zero chance of there being a conventional war so don't worry about it. MAD has us covered.

maryishere

tomwaterford wrote: »

When did humanitarian work amount to defending Europe??

You obviously know nothing of the cold war.

tomwaterford wrote: »

Though I forgot you approve child abuse by Australia as tough love approach.....so the British logic is warped at best

I never approved child abuse and I do not know what you are talking about.

tomwaterford

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Typical surrender monkeys.

In either case there's zero chance of the US allowing Russia to to invade Europe and there's zero chance of Russia winning a conventional war against the US.

Heck there's zero chance of there being a conventional war so don't worry about it. MAD has us covered.

Racial slur aside




No commonsense in this tread :D:D :pac:

Iwasfrozen

tomwaterford wrote: »

And if Britain deosnt sign???

Then everyone loses.

But unlike the EU the UK doesn't need the permission of 27 states to negotiate another deal.

A deal is possible with the US, or even NAFTA membership.

tomwaterford

maryishere wrote: »

I never approved child abuse and I do not know what you are talking about.

Emm.....did you not refer to the conditions and complaints coming out of Australia's immigration detention centre....on this very tread as a tough love approach???





So are we to take it....you no longer support austraulia immigration centres and support open borders???

tomwaterford

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Then everyone loses.

But unlike the EU the UK doesn't need the permission of 27 states to negotiate another deal.

A deal is possible with the US, or even NAFTA membership.

It deos need the permission of the 27 states to sign into the eu....any of them can block it otherwise??

Iwasfrozen

tomwaterford wrote: »

It deos need the permission of the 27 states to sign into the eu....any of them can block it otherwise??

Yeah, that's my point. The UK can negotiate third party trade deals much easier than the EU.

steddyeddy

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I'm glad the people in this thread aren't negotiating for Ireland.

A deal will happen because it's in both parties interests to make it happen. The EU and the UK are interdependent and neither side would tolerate a cessation of trade.

Of course trade won't stop.

Capt'n Midnight

fernrock wrote: »

How about IE-Exit.
After all some 40% of out exports are to the UK.
We have already got a taste of how it will be like with the UK gone.
Meetings being held in French -how did the Irish reps manage --Did they depend on our "good" friend Angela to explain as she normally does .
After all Enda takes her words as gospel.

So your plan is to exit the EU ?

Option 1 - we request the same deal as the UK , but our interests are very different and since they are the bigger trading partner with the EU we'll have almost no weight in the negotiations. So goodbye to any illusion of sovereignty.

Option 2 - we do our own deal, but then we'd have to wait until the UK deal is done


Which option do think we should choose ?

Nate--IRL--

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Yeah, that's my point. The UK can negotiate third party trade deals much easier than the EU.

That's a given when it comes to ratification, but it won't take years off the time it takes the UK to negotiate them.

Nate

Capt'n Midnight

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I'm glad the people in this thread aren't negotiating for Ireland.

A deal will happen because it's in both parties interests to make it happen. The EU and the UK are interdependent and neither side would tolerate a cessation of trade.

There will be no cessation of trade. All that will happen is that it'll default back to WTO tariffs and terms until the trade deal is sorted.

There will be cessation of passporting of services though.

And a huge mess of data protection for data on EU citizens that can't be offshored.

Not sure what will happen regarding things like healthcare and social welfare for ex-pats though. It's unlikely that Spain would deport hundreds of thousands of them.

thomasj

From the guardian - Didn't see that coming !

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/25/exclusive-leaked-recording-shows-what-theresa-may-really-thinks-about-brexit[URL][/url]

Fratton Fred

thomasj wrote: »

From the guardian - Didn't see that coming !

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/25/exclusive-leaked-recording-shows-what-theresa-may-really-thinks-about-brexit[URL][/url]

didn't see what coming?

Dyr

Brexit music for a film
Wake and get up
You're drying all your tears
Today... We escape
We escape

We hope your rules and wisdom choke you

We hope... That you choke
That you Choke

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