Brexit: The Last Stand (No name calling)

Iwasfrozen

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Why?

Because you can't consider yourself a democrat and call for Parliament to ignore a democratic result.

First Up

Iwasfrozen wrote:

Because you can't consider yourself a democrat and call for Parliament to ignore a democratic result.

So should all legislation be based on popular votes?

Iwasfrozen

First Up wrote: »

So should all legislation be based on popular votes?

No but if a referendum is called that vote should be respected.

Professor Moriarty

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Because you can't consider yourself a democrat and call for Parliament to ignore a democratic result.

Did I call for parliament to ignore the result? Which post was that?

Iwasfrozen

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Did I call for parliament to ignore the result? Which post was that?

I didn't write that you did.

First Up

Iwasfrozen wrote:

No but if a referendum is called that vote should be respected.

I've not seen anyone of significance say otherwise.

That doesn't mean the stupidity of leaving such an important decision to people who evidently don't understand it can't be discussed.

Professor Moriarty

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I didn't write that you did.

So the 'you' in your reply to my post was not about me. Odd. Maybe use 'one' in future.

Iwasfrozen

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

So the 'you' in your reply to my post was not about me. Odd. Maybe use 'one' in future.

One is pretentious.

Professor Moriarty

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

One is pretentious.

Yerra you're not that bad.

marienbad

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

One is pretentious.

but accurate

Capt'n Midnight

A Little Pony wrote: »

The day of freedom is nearer.

Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose,
- Kris Kristofferson

Well I'd trade all my tomorrows for a single yesterday,
Yip this is what a lot of Brexit is about , but the rest of the world has moved on. Britannia doesn't rule the waves anymore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_largest_historical_GDP

The United Kingdom represented 6.42% of the world's economy in 1960 (highest point), falling to 3.42% in 2012 (lowest point). According to Angus Maddison the United Kingdom accounted for 9.1% of the world's economy in 1870

A Little Pony

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

As I wrote in my post. It would be impossible to hold a referendum without one or both sides lieing so if that invalidates the results of a referendum in your eyes you must discount the results of any referendum.

So rather than discuss their lies and possible remedies, you would like everyone to shut up and accept that lies are inevitable. Rather defeatist attitude, if you don't mind me saying so. Maybe you are assuming that the referendum is absolute and binding. Many disagree with that position in case you weren't following recent developments.

The UK will be leaving the EU and the single market. The rest is piffle by people who still haven't got over it yet. There is no return now, the decision has been made.

MrPudding

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

One is pretentious.

So people are fed up of experts and using proper English is pretentious. We really are in a post-fact anti-intellect world now.

MrP

Fratton Fred

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose,
- Kris Kristofferson

Well I'd trade all my tomorrows for a single yesterday,
Yip this is what a lot of Brexit is about , but the rest of the world has moved on. Britannia doesn't rule the waves anymore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_largest_historical_GDP

Yeah, lovely bit of populist nonsense.

When the people Slough (55 non white population) voted for Brexit, were they pining for the days of empire? Were the Scottish fishing industry miffed that they couldn't go and randomly fight people armed with a spear and a guava fruit?

Enzokk

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

No one has said this topic shouldn't be discussed.

But those who think Parliament should ignore the result need to grow up, dry up, and learn to respect democratic results they don't agree with.

There were thousands of Brits who until the referendum was called opposed the UK's membership but apart from voting UKIP just had to live with it. Pro EU Brits are now in the same position.

Ignoring the vote is an option for parliament. Its no use just forgetting about it as it is something that can happen. I don't think it will happen, then again I didn't think the UK would harm itself intentionally and I didn't think the USA is really that backwards.

First Up

A Little Pony wrote:

The UK will be leaving the EU and the single market. The rest is piffle by people who still haven't got over it yet. There is no return now, the decision has been made.

Yep, and the consequences will be clear to all in due course.

Sand

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Yeah, lovely bit of populist nonsense.

When the people Slough (55 non white population) voted for Brexit, were they pining for the days of empire? Were the Scottish fishing industry miffed that they couldn't go and randomly fight people armed with a spear and a guava fruit?

I was surprised by results like that too but I saw an UK-Asian man explain his support of Brexit being routed in an objection to free movement by EU peoples whereas he struggled to get his relatives in the old country through the British immigration system. His idea was less people from the EU would mean more space for his relatives. And lets face it - a lot of the Brexit vote was wanting to give the UK government a kick in the face. That crosses racial lines.

And you cant discount that a UK looking back to the days of the British Empire is something that...however oddly...involves him in the historic background of the UK. A Brexit UK is more likely to seek out deals with its former dominions that benefit him personally. An EU centric UK view of itself on the other hand offers him nothing.

First Up

Sand wrote:

I was surprised by results like that too but I saw an UK-Asian man explain his support of Brexit being routed in an objection to free movement by EU peoples whereas he struggled to get his relatives in the old country through the British immigration system.

There was a lot of that - pulling up the drawbridge. BBC did a piece from Bolton or some other depressed Northern town and all the Bangladeshi and Pakistani shopkeepers were enthusiastic Brexiteers.

A Little Pony

Hundreds of thousands of non white people voted Brexit, this myth that Brexit was a racist cause is a nonsense. It is perpetuated by people who love the EU and will try to tarnish Brexit at any cost.

First Up

A Little Pony wrote:

Hundreds of thousands of non white people voted Brexit, this myth that Brexit was a racist cause is a nonsense. It is perpetuated by people who love the EU and will try to tarnish Brexit at any cost.

Is there nobody who can take you aside, sit you down and explain all this to you?

marienbad

First Up wrote: »

Is there nobody who can take you aside, sit you down and explain all this to you?

What a great post , we need a good laugh now and then

Capt'n Midnight

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Yeah, lovely bit of populist nonsense.

For a moment there I thought you were referring to Red White and Blue Brexit.


Speaking of Red White and Blue
There's France, Slovakia , Czech Republic, Netherlands, Luxembourg , Slovenia and Croatia. Also Norway and Iceland are in Schengen

And Serbia

And it covers
Poland and Greece , Finland and Denmark , Austria and Malta , Monaco and Latvia, Switzerland and Lichtenstein , Turkey and Georgia. And Kosovo.

Also Russia and USA


So half of the EU has flags that can be made from Red / White / Blue




All of which makes as much sense as Red White and Blue Brexit

Fratton Fred

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

For a moment there I thought you were referring to Red White and Blue Brexit.


Speaking of Red White and Blue
There's France, Slovakia , Czech Republic, Netherlands, Luxembourg , Slovenia and Croatia. Also Norway and Iceland are in Schengen

And Serbia

And it covers
Poland and Greece , Finland and Denmark , Austria and Malta , Monaco and Latvia, Switzerland and Lichtenstein , Turkey and Georgia. And Kosovo.

Also Russia and USA


So half of the EU has flags that can be made from Red / White / Blue




All of which makes as much sense as Red White and Blue Brexit

And all of which makes more sense than you.

steddyeddy

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Yeah, lovely bit of populist nonsense.

When the people Slough (55 non white population) voted for Brexit, were they pining for the days of empire? Were the Scottish fishing industry miffed that they couldn't go and randomly fight people armed with a spear and a guava fruit?

What percentage of Slough voted?

Fratton Fred

steddyeddy wrote: »

What percentage of Slough voted?

62% turnout, 54.7% voted leave.

http://www.bbc.com/news/politics/eu_referendum/results

Iwasfrozen

Enzokk wrote: »

Ignoring the vote is an option for parliament. Its no use just forgetting about it as it is something that can happen. I don't think it will happen, then again I didn't think the UK would harm itself intentionally and I didn't think the USA is really that backwards.

Sure, like it's an option for the electoral college to choose Hilary as president. Technically possible but not going to happen without tearing the country apart.

A Little Pony

First Up wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote:

Hundreds of thousands of non white people voted Brexit, this myth that Brexit was a racist cause is a nonsense. It is perpetuated by people who love the EU and will try to tarnish Brexit at any cost.

Is there nobody who can take you aside, sit you down and explain all this to you?

You obviously don't have the intellect to debate the issue, instead of posting rubbish. The fact you think 17 million people including  the Pakistani community and other ethnic minorities who voted Brexit in big numbers are racist tells us everything we need to know about you.

The North of England has huge ethnic minority communities from Bolton to Birmingham and they voted to leave. Race was not the driving factor for Brexit, it is important for the enemies of Britain to claim it was because they have to justify why they support the EU and against the majority of British people.

First Up

A Little Pony wrote:

The fact you think 17 million people including the Pakistani community and other ethnic minorities who voted Brexit in big numbers are racist tells us everything we need to know about you.

The fact that you could interpret anything I've said as meaning that tells us everything we need to know about you.

Iwasfrozen

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

The day of freedom is nearer.

Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose,
- Kris Kristofferson

Well I'd trade all my tomorrows for a single yesterday,
Yip this is what a lot of Brexit is about , but the rest of the world has moved on. Britannia doesn't rule the waves anymore.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_largest_historical_GDP

The United Kingdom represented 6.42% of the world's economy in 1960 (highest point), falling to 3.42% in 2012 (lowest point). According to Angus Maddison the United Kingdom accounted for 9.1% of the world's economy in 1870

Am I missing something?

According to that page the UK was the world's 4th largest economy in 1960, now they're 5th. Hardly a massive fall.

Mal-Adjusted

Did I miss something? Where did "Red, white & blue brexit" come from"?