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Retr0gamer wrote: »It's nothing to do with price. The PSVR is the best option but developers really are not going to be targeting the PS VR, the same way developers did not target the likes of the Mega CD or 32X. A smaller userbase means less people to sell to.
Unless you specifically mean the current userbase I'm failing to see your logic here.
The PSVR is destined to inherit the largest VR userbase due to its price, the popularity of the PS4 and the fact casual gamers generally use consoles. It will be the pornhub headset or choice!
If it gets PC support officially or even unofficially that will even make it more destined to become the most popular headset currently available on the market.
Need I repost the amount of devlopers and publishers working on PSVR?
Obviously not all with follow through, but the numbers are impressive nonetheless.
The timing of its release is impeccable also, it may well be the must have gadget for Christmas this year.
Alas, its not for me though as the resolution in the games Ive tried is just not good enough for my eagle eyes.
The PS Pro may very well change that, but it remains to be seen.
Also, the Simulation genre is where the future of VR is.
It was catering for Simulation in the beginning in the 90s and is ther to stay.
I'm anticipating the day I get a VR headset hopefully in the 2nd generation with adequete fidelity.0 -
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And X-Box kinect sold how many copies of and got how many relevant games for it? Let's be generous and say PS4 VR sells 10 million copies; no let's double that to 20 million copies which honestly I doubt they will hit through out the lifetime of PS 4 (estimates are between 2.5 and 5 million total). That's still less than a quarter of what Wii U sold and was quoted reason not to port to it due to low numbers of units (and keep in mind VR requires a ton of hardware optimization to work with the weak PS4 in the first place so same issue as Wii U).The PSVR is destined to inherit the largest VR userbase due to its price, the popularity of the PS4 and the fact casual gamers generally use consoles. It will be the pornhub headset or choice!
If it gets PC support officially or even unofficially that will even make it more destined to become the most popular headset currently available on the market.
Need I repost the amount of devlopers and publishers working on PSVR?
The same will hold true for PS VR; the number of exclusive VR only games beyond the initial rush will dry up to pretty much nothing since the market will be to small and the game developers want to sell it to everyone. So will they now develop for a second mode simply to catch that niche market or will they save the money, release the normal version only with a botched on VR mode for cheap? Want to take a guess based on past experience?
Care to list how many VR only games that have any following outside the hardcore VR market? I mean Kinect had a flipping Star Wars game for it but it sucked donkey balls after all and I can't recall a single dedicated VR only game of note but I'm happily proven wrong.Obviously not all with follow through, but the numbers are impressive nonetheless.0 -
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Unless you specifically mean the current userbase I'm failing to see your logic here.
The PSVR is destined to inherit the largest VR userbase due to its price, the popularity of the PS4 and the fact casual gamers generally use consoles. It will be the pornhub headset or choice!
The PSVR still has to sell to that userbase though. It's also not going to sell through to all that userbase. Maybe about a quarter of that userbase at the very most, more likely it will be <5%.
So if you are a developer investing millions in a game why target the PS VR and limit your reach to a tiny amount of the userbase rather than targeting the full userbase.
These mid generation peripherals have always performed rather poorly and I don't see it being any different here. You'll get a few small studios catering towards it, see the likes of Working Designs with the Mega CD, but outside of that it will probably be slim pickings.
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Gimmick hardware added on to "enchant game play" which cost more and was hailed as the "new big thing to revolutionize gaming" that flopped badly. Any hardware is dependent on the unique games that need it to be used to sell the hardware; kinect had sod all such market movers and so far neither does VR.The Kinect? What has the kinect got to do with anything at all?
Without such a hardware moving game the game studios will at best only add in some gimmick part to use said hardware as an afterthought to the game rather than develop the game utilizing it fully. In doing so they doom said hardware to become another dust gathering device.
That is what kinect has to do with VR; it's last gen's VR hardware and shows how such hardware usually go down.0 -
Gimmick hardware added on to "enchant game play" which cost more and was hailed as the "new big thing to revolutionize gaming" that flopped badly. Any hardware is dependent on the unique games that need it to be used to sell the hardware; kinect had sod all such market movers and so far neither does VR.
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Hardware is dependent on games to sell it? Like the PC was? Fair enough
As pointed out previously, find a good dictionary and look up the word "gimmick"0 -
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Yes; PC was dependent on having unique games to play you could not play on the PS; or did you miss the whole PC is dying time of gaming years? Please do share what VR only must have games are due for release in the next two years, please I'll wait. And once you have the list let's do a poll and see how many people actually know them or give a damn about them.Hardware is dependent on games to sell it? Like the PC was? Fair enough
So yes; gimmick is the correct word. VR is a gimmick currently and it's the latest "hot thing" along the lines of "Cloud computing"; do you remember the "Playing online games through the cloud" as a SaaS basis? You were suppose to subscribe and play any PC game through having all the stuff done in the server hall only pushing the screen data to you. VR is simply the latest GIMMICK used to attract hype and money for future games which in reality delivery little or no benefit and will be replaced by other gimmicks down the line most likely.Oxford's Dictionary wrote:Definition of gimmick in English:
gimmick
noun
A trick or device intended to attract attention, publicity, or trade.0 -
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Yes; PC was dependent on having unique games to play you could not play on the PS; or did you miss the whole PC is dying time of gaming years? Please do share what VR only must have games are due for release in the next two years, please I'll wait. And once you have the list let's do a poll and see how many people actually know them or give a damn about them.
My little petis filous PC gaming was around long before the Playstation. No one was buying PC's because the platform had exclusives. That's a later phenomenon
If you're old enough to remember back that far then you're old enough to remember that PC gaming has been allegedly dying ever since. Somehow its still in rude health despite lacking the patronage of a mulitnational corporation for its platform
If you remember that far back, then you'll also remember people not knowing or caring about games like Doom, Baldurs Gate, Alone in the Dark, or Fallout until they came out and changed things forever. Or to give you a more recent example: Minecraft (now merrily ported to VR). Which as a non AAA game we can completely ignore correcto?
Now I do get that there's a generation of kids who probably grew up on the PSBox and need the reassurance of the big AAA titles from the big companies before they buy into anything: I guess you'd want the likes of Batman, Fallout, Doom, Serious Sam, Star Wars, Resident Evil, Final Fantasy being developed for VR to reassure you. Well, guess what?
But the truth is it probably won't be these franchises that will exploit the virgin ground..it will be smaller, sharp companies who make their mark. Much like the old days.
Are you still on about input systems like the kinect or whatever? Shame really. I don't remember Natal etc, offering 360 immersion and tracking (ye know, like every sci fi concept ever of what gaming should entail) but I did'nt follow it closely because it looked like at gimmick to me :P0 -
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I had 5 minutes on an early Occulus Rift in a shopping centre a few months back, it was possibly a DK1. Even though the visuals were rough, kind of PS2 quality, the feeling of being in that world was immense. I didn't even have headphones on to block out the surrounding noise but I can just imagine what the latest kit plus good audio plus a great demo would do for it.
this is'nt a triple AAA franchise but this is what has me giggling like a child in the vive right now. You have a home environment for the headset where you summon the steam overlay and launch games. And, of course, valve has user generated content for this. Probably the most popular one is a rendition of the holodeck but recently someone modeled the simpsons house. It's an amazing experience even though you can't teleport around it
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