They suffered on the cross but rose again.. Lenny, Rob and Alek's 16/17 cross thread

RobFowl

A thread for all things cross (and Alek)

Details of all cross events for the 2016/2017 season will be added to this post as we get details (Thanks to Peterx for many of details)

Fixx 1 - Grangecastle 25/09/2016

CX Navan / UCX2 Falls Park 02/10/2016

UCX3 Irvinestown / MCX1 Fota Island, Cork/Lakeside wheelers Mullingar 9/10/2016

Fixx round 2 . Sat Oct 15th Kilternan

UCX4 - Lady Dixon Park / MCX2 - Ennis 16/10/2016

CCX 1 / Kinning Series - Ice Bowl Belfast 23/10/2016

UCX5 - Derry / MCX3 - Mallow 30/10/2016

CCX 2 / Navan CX 06/11/2016

Fixx 3 - Likely Glencullen 13/11/2016

Dodder Riverbank Park in Firhouse (Across from the Spaeker Connolly Pub) CX EPIC / CCX 3 / MCX 4 Kilarney 20/11/2016

Kilruddery CX Bray Wheelers / MCX5 Tipperary 27/11/2016

CCX 4 / Navan CX 04/12/2016 Leinster Championships

Fixx 4 - Secret venue or Tymon / CCX 5 / MCX4 Aghada, Cork 11/12/2016

Ulster CX Champs - Tollymore 18/12/2016

Christmas Day 25/12/2016

New Years Day CCX Champs / Ulster Hazelbank Belfast 01/01/2017

Irish National Cyclo-cross Championships 08/01/2017

Kinnings CX - Stormount 15/01/2017

wanderer 22

Nice one - Fixx round 2 . Sat Oct 15th Kilternan - needs to go in too.

CramCycle

I don't like the title :pac:

RobFowl

CramCycle wrote: »

I don't like the title :pac:

Start a poll maybe

RobFowl

colm18 wrote: »

Nice one - Fixx round 2 . Sat Oct 15th Kilternan - needs to go in too.

Sorted Colm

ht9zni1gs28crp

CCX 4 / Navan CX 04/12/2016 needs side note as Leinster Championships added into it.....

'68 Fastback

Sorry to come in with a dumb question but I know F/A about cyclocross. How do you train for races? Is there a "leisure" version of cross or is it all about racing?

I used to moutain bike alot and have been known to ride a road bike so I like the sound of cyclocross but I've never had any interest in racing. Maybe I should dust off the MTB.

lukegjpotter

Melany Ambitious Slump wrote: »

CCX 4 / Navan CX 04/12/2016 needs side note as Leinster Championships added into it.....

Oh Gee, if only someone else had made a nicer calendar, on the previous thread, that also contained this information. :P

'68 wrote:

Sorry to come in with a dumb question but I know F/A about cyclocross. How do you train for races? Is there a "leisure" version of cross or is it all about racing?

I used to moutain bike alot and have been known to ride a road bike so I like the sound of cyclocross but I've never had any interest in racing. Maybe I should dust off the MTB.

Wiggle runs CX Sportive in England.
There's one on the 16th and again on the 12th of February.
http://www.cxsportive.com/

RobFowl

lukegjpotter wrote: »

Oh Gee, if only someone else had made a nicer calendar, on the previous thread, that also contained this information. :P



Wiggle runs CX Sportive in England.
There's one on the 16th and again on the 12th of February.
http://www.cxsportive.com/

If you can suggest a nicer layout fire away and I'll get it up. Just wanted to get all the details of events in the first post so would be easy for all to find.
Rob

'68 Fastback

Would your average cross bike be suiteble for the likes of the Ballinastoe trails?

RobFowl

CramCycle wrote: »

I don't like the title :pac:

Title was Lennys idea btw

Hunterbiker

RobFowl wrote: »

Title was Lennys idea btw

Grass.

Peterx

'68 wrote:

Would your average cross bike be suiteble for the likes of the Ballinastoe trails?

Nope.

On the other hand a good light hardtail 29" MTB bike would be OK in the B race of many CX events

RobFowl

Hunterbiker wrote: »

Grass.

Sure Beasty will probably change it once he thinks of something

Beasty

The Good, the Bad and the Fugly - your 16/17 cross-dressers....

Hunterbiker

Beasty wrote: »

The Good, the Bad and the Fugly - your 16/17 cross-dressers....

I'm not cross, I'm furious!

CramCycle

RobFowl wrote: »

Start a poll maybe

Ah shure, it would be ignored anyway :pac:

Hunterbiker wrote: »

Grass.

One way of relaxing the situation

ht9zni1gs28crp

More pictures are up on the Navan Road Club Faccebook's page, credit to the local camera club. Really seemed to capture the spirit! Also all those who sampled a Leffe have been caught :-)

https://www.facebook.com/NavanRoadClub/photos/a.1384769731548231.1073741856.169442743080942/1384778444880693/?type=3&comment_id=1384812358210635&force_theater=true&notif_t=photo_comment&notif_id=1475835433870052

Alek

Finally, handups in Ireland. The way to go lads




VCB disinterested? Me disappointed.

scott.s

Melany Ambitious Slump wrote: »

Also all those who sampled a Leffe have been caught :-)

Guilty

The tax man

Found this CX calendar on FB. Good clear lay out and links to organising clubs.
Irish Cyclocross Calendar 2016/17

Credit goes to Martin Grimley.

Mr. Grieves

The tax man wrote: »

Found this CX calendar on FB. Good clear lay out and links to organising clubs.
Irish Cyclocross Calendar 2016/17

Credit goes to Martin Grimley.

Tollymore for National Champs again? It was excellent last year. Martin Grimley is from Dromara so I suppose he'd know.

lennymc

leffe!! I cant remember the last time I had leffe (cos it's so strong and i drank lots!)

Lovin the title!

RobFowl

Just back from the Lakeland Wheelers race in Mullingar.

Really nice event, well organised, good course and even a nice day for it

Well done lads/lasses and will def go back there

The tax man

Robfowl, you have hypnotic pace about you in these races. You don't make it easy to get past. Was it a mechanical or puncture that had you running?

Well done to Lakeside Wheelers for today.

lennymc

The tax man wrote: »

You don't make it easy to get past.

I think he needs one of these signs...

Alek

The tax man wrote:

hypnotic pace

I get this sometimes cycling behind nice girls...

I'll get me coat.

koutoubia

Alek wrote: »

Finally, handups in Ireland. The way to go lads




VCB disinterested? Me disappointed.

I have only seen this picture now.
That member has been expelled from the club-effective immediately!

dvntie

This was posted on the other thread the other day

Hi Folks-

Reposting Munster CX League dates... support most welcome!

09/10/2016 St. Finbarr s, Fota Island, Cork- This sunday!
16/10/2016 BRT, Ennis
30/10/2016 Pi Cyclocross, Mallow, Co. Cork
12/11/2016 De Ronde, Aghada, Cork
19/11/2016 Killarney
27/11/2016 Upperchurch Drombane CC, Co. Tipperary

RobFowl

The tax man wrote: »

Robfowl, you have hypnotic pace about you in these races. You don't make it easy to get past. Was it a mechanical or puncture that had you running?

Well done to Lakeside Wheelers for today.

Mechanical, chain jammed and couldn't get free. Decided no way was going to pack so decided to run to the finish

I'm a diesel! Can get into a nice rhythm at times and though I rode well yesterday.

Apart from mechie was very happy

nevskin

First round of Munster CX in Fota Island yesterday- great race in glorious sunshine. 107 riders between A, B & Ladies- kudos to St Finbarrs CC for running an excllent event.

Great to see the CX growing aCROSS (:) ) the country.

Next up is Ennis CX on Sunday for anyone who fancies travelling to beautiful County Clare ...

Fixx Saturday evening- Ennis Sunday morning - a weekend of CX!

Worth noting that as the Munster League is CI approved results in the A race will be factored in for Nationals Gridding.

Registration through Munster CX or Ennis CX facebook page( cant post link here ed.?)

Cheers Folks

RobFowl

Ennis only a 2 hour drive from the big smoke too

Big Mig

Hope they have a few quid for the women this time. Nothing last week and a plastic trophy the week before!!

nak

Big Mig wrote: »

Hope they have a few quid for the women this time. Nothing last week and a plastic trophy the week before!!

Always the case for the women's races. Money for the league standings. Same for mountain bike races except the trophies are sometimes glass.

Big Mig

Didn't know that was how it normally works. They pay their entry fee and mostly race for nothing. That's a pity.

crosswords

in defence of race organisers it's really really expensive to host and run CX races properly.

people (rightfully) expect total course marking, catering, barriers, and toilets as a minimum.

I am surprised any organiser can afford to pay out cash prizes at all regardless of gender.

does a fiver in an envelope really matter to people?

Beasty

crosswords wrote: »

in defence of race organisers it's really really expensive to host and run CX races properly.

Absolutely. Even then the amount of effort that goes in from volunteers is in my experience way beyond what anyone could expect. It's very different economics to running road races (and a lot of open races still struggle to make ends meet)

crosswords

Perhaps its time to think about consolidating the races in the Republic, like they do up North?

10 Races.
10 weeks.
10 Clubs (running one each).
All points go into a 10 round league table.
No Cash prizes.
Whopping number of entries for each race.
Loads of revenue per race.
The standard of each event is equally excellent and equally well supported.

If it can be done up North, no reason why it cant be done down here?

Events are expensive to run and unless you have generous supporters (Beasty, Robfowl, take a bow) its difficult to balance the books.

lukegjpotter

crosswords wrote: »

people (rightfully) expect total course marking, catering, barriers, and toilets as a minimum.

The cost of the course marking sticks, €0.50-€2 each can add up really quick.
Chip Timing too, plus the people to run the chip timing, which is €200-€400.
Large water tanks for the muddy races.

crosswords

the event kit is shared up in ulster

it's driven to each race and set up by the host club.

imagine that.

25sean

Ulster have the model alright...

On that, DCCX have 200 posts anyone organising a CX race is welcome to borrow.. have to supply your own mud though.....

nak

Big Mig wrote: »

Didn't know that was how it normally works. They pay their entry fee and mostly race for nothing. That's a pity.

Never bothered me, it's an amateur race. The prizes for the overall league were great the last time I got one. Don't forget there's also a leaders jersey.

Big Mig

It might not bother you but it's bothering some of the girls. There aren't very many of them racing and if it's ever going to grow they need to be looked after a bit better and feel appreciated, not just a side show to the elite men.
No such thing as an amateur any more. Racing is open these days.

lukegjpotter

25sean wrote: »

Ulster have the model alright...

Ulster do have the advantage that it's a nicely sized province.

Devil's advocate, worse case scenario here, but Imagine driving the course equipment from Navan to Fota/Mullingar, and onto Ennis/Kilternan/Sligo. Perhaps the off-road commission could allow for each province to have a centralised CX stock.

Anyone know how XC and Enduro MTB races handle this?

#LogisticsLuke

detones

Is there any other race on the weekend of 23rd Oct. Apart from the kinning and ccx?

Peterx

detones wrote: »

Is there any other race on the weekend of 23rd Oct. Apart from the kinning and ccx?

To the UK with you?

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/events?keywords=&view=off&distance=&postcode=&fromdate=23%2F10%2F2016&todate=23%2F10%2F2017&day_of_week%5B%5D=1&day_of_week%5B%5D=2&day_of_week%5B%5D=3&day_of_week%5B%5D=4&day_of_week%5B%5D=5&day_of_week%5B%5D=6&day_of_week%5B%5D=7&race_duration_min=&race_duration_max=&resultsperpage=30&series_only=0&online_entry_only=0&zuv_bc_event_filter_id%5B%5D=4

detones

Peterx wrote: »

To the UK with you?

https://www.britishcycling.org.uk/events?keywords=&view=off&distance=&postcode=&fromdate=23%2F10%2F2016&todate=23%2F10%2F2017&day_of_week%5B%5D=1&day_of_week%5B%5D=2&day_of_week%5B%5D=3&day_of_week%5B%5D=4&day_of_week%5B%5D=5&day_of_week%5B%5D=6&day_of_week%5B%5D=7&race_duration_min=&race_duration_max=&resultsperpage=30&series_only=0&online_entry_only=0&zuv_bc_event_filter_id%5B%5D=4

And i thought cx was popular here!! Hoping for something a little cloer to home. Kinning B Race sold out. Ccx is over 3 hours away.

nak

Big Mig wrote: »

It might not bother you but it's bothering some of the girls. There aren't very many of them racing and if it's ever going to grow they need to be looked after a bit better and feel appreciated, not just a side show to the elite men.
No such thing as an amateur any more. Racing is open these days.

It has grown; my first race I was the only woman, the next year maybe 6, then 10+ to last year where we had up to 30 and got our own race (which I think was generous given that we didn't really have the numbers on occasion to justify it). It didn't bother any of us before when we were racing amongst the B men, so we were so excited to get our own race nothing else really mattered. Don't forget, none of us get paid to help out at the events and adding extra races is more work and expense for the organisers.

I did an NPS race this year, I won my category and I got a trophy. I was happy with that, didn't see any of the other category winners get anything more than a series jersey. None of the off-road riders are used to getting cash prizes.

Maybe more people should volunteer to help run races and skills/intro days for women if they want to continue to grow the sport. I tried a couple of years ago, but it was virtually impossible to get a women's group together as we all have different schedules.

Once numbers increase, the women's race should be after the B race. If the prizes or lack of bother people that much they should speak to the race organisers. The last time I checked there were no professional cross racers lining up beside me on the start line, so it is amateur racing. If not getting what you consider to be a decent enough prize puts you off racing, what happens when the day comes comes that you are not in the prizes anymore? I race to have fun, not for the prizes. I think fun is the part a lot of people forget when it comes to racing.

nevskin

let us know where you can get timing for that price!!

Ennis CX timing cost is €450- discounted due to involvement in Munster CX league...

Also costs include ambulance, CI costs, venue hire, tape etc... break even for us is approx 75 riders at €20..

Saying that we are doing it to grow the sport, not in it to make money!

P.S we really hope to run a separate Ladies Race this Sunday, 2 mins behind A race & for prizes...

Peterx

Putting a race on is the important thing and I would much prefer to have a race to go to without timing as opposed to no race as the organisers were doing their feasibility sums on the basis of including the timing cost as an essential.

As you say : costs include ambulance, CI costs, venue hire, tape Timing is great but it very much is an add-on, as are tea, cake, showers, announcer and so on. I like them all, especially the timing but can manage without.

nak

Peterx wrote: »

Putting a race on is the important thing and I would much prefer to have a race to go to without timing as opposed to no race as the organisers were doing their feasibility sums on the basis of including the timing cost as an essential.

As you say : costs include ambulance, CI costs, venue hire, tape Timing is great but it very much is an add-on, as are tea, cake, showers, announcer and so on. I like them all, especially the timing but can manage without.

It's really difficult to do manual timing for a race with 100 people, plus you need enough volunteers to be able to do it. Tried it before and it was chaos - especially with all the different categories in the men's races.