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Group of men in Dublin cause outrage by wearing blackface

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    #122
    timmy_mallet
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    I'd never do it, it's bound to get the attention of every PC warrior in the city.

    "I'm not racist, but..."?


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    #123
    Hans Bricks
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    Yawn, did you even look at the photos? Only two or 3 dressed up as the cool runnings guys

    The image is appearing as broken for me on the link. (Thank my work internet policy) I'm going on the text in the article at the moment. They seem to be conflating cool runnings with the actual minstrel stereotype from my reading of it ?


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    #124
    Hans Bricks
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    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Sure why not call them 'n*****s' while they're at it, just having the #banter on a session, right?

    Whatever hypothetical scenario suits you timmy. Fuel for your fire.


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    #125
    riffmongous
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    Hans Bricks wrote: »
    The image is appearing as broken for me on the link. (Thank my work internet policy) I'm going on the text in the article at the moment. They seem to be conflating cool runnings with the actual minstrel stereotype from my reading of it ?

    Some lads dressed up as cool runnings, one guy as the old colombian footballer Valderrama which I actually found pretty good, but a lot of lads are just wearing normal clothes, jeans and shirt with a blackface..


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    #126
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    I don't think blackface should automatically be considered racist. It's only racist in the context of Americans using minstrels to steal black culture without having to deal with black people. But if a white person likes mike tyson and wants to dress up as their hero at a fancy dress, it's not racist, it was done out of respect and admiration, so it's not racist. People will get upset of course, some people will see the guy in blackface and just jump to the conclusion that rather than that person being a fan they really wore the costume to upset other people and be racist. That's as much that persons fault as the person wearing blackface. Some humans are black, we have to pussy foot around that fact still.


    I'd never do it, it's bound to get the attention of every PC warrior in the city.

    Mike Tyson the bald boxer with the big huge tattoo on his face? Yeah, no way to dress as him without blacking up....


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    #127
    darkpagandeath
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    I think we need to stop people crying wolf. Black face is a specific thing. Having a black face is not "Black Face."


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    #128
    razorblunt
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    Is White Chicks II still in production?


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    #129
    timmy_mallet
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    Hans Bricks wrote: »
    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Sure why not call them 'n*****s' while they're at it, just having the #banter on a session, right?

    Whatever hypothetical scenario suits you timmy. Fuel for your fire.

    You're espousing the intentions of a group of lads on a session (who were wearing racially insensitive costumes) by reading an online article (and not even being able to see the pictures.)


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    #130
    timmy_mallet
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I think we need to stop people crying wolf. Black face is a specific thing. Having a black face is not "Black Face."

    Blackface - not ok?

    Dressing as a member race and painting your face while comically demonstrating the stereotypes - ok?


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    #131
    ohnonotgmail
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    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Blackface - not ok?

    Dressing as a member race and painting your face while comically demonstrating the stereotypes - ok?


    what stereotypes were displayed in the pics?


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    #132
    darkpagandeath
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    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Blackface - not ok?

    Dressing as a member race and painting your face while comically demonstrating the stereotypes - ok?

    I'm sure you can backup that statement.


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    #133
    timmy_mallet
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Blackface - not ok?

    Dressing as a member race and painting your face while comically demonstrating the stereotypes - ok?


    what stereotypes were displayed in the pics?


    For a start, dreadlocks. Did any of the Jamaican bobsled team of 1988 have dreadlocks? If they aren't imitating them, then they are imitating Cool Runnings, and only one of those had dreadlocks, so I suppose you could say, in defence of the culturally insensitives, that the two blokes are dressed as the same person.


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    #134
    ohnonotgmail
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    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    For a start, dreadlocks. Did any of the Jamaican bobsled team of 1988 have dreadlocks? If they aren't imitating them, then they are imitating Cool Runnings, and only one of those had dreadlocks, so I suppose you could say, in defence of the culturally insensitives, that the two blokes are dressed as the same person.


    is that it? As i doubt anybody could even knows who the real guys were it is safe to assume they are imitating the guys in the film. And the biggest problem you can find is that two of them have dreadlocks? Its almost like you are looking for things to be offended about.


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    #135
    timmy_mallet
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Blackface - not ok?

    Dressing as a member race and painting your face while comically demonstrating the stereotypes - ok?

    I'm sure you can backup that statement.

    I don't believe it's a massive logical leap to think that people willingly dressing like that would demonstrate the stereotypes while dressed like that. I could be wrong, very very wrong, but I reckon I'm not. And given the costumes are already trying to do that, then even if they didn't, the point is still valid.

    Any thoughts on the two questions?


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    #136
    Maximus Alexander
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I think we need to stop people crying wolf. Black face is a specific thing. Having a black face is not "Black Face."

    That about sums it up.

    Dressing up as a specific black person and darkening your skin to complete the costume is not racist. It might be offensive; that's down to the viewer. But everything seems to be offensive to someone these days.

    Dressing up in 'blackface', is a whole other thing and is straight up racist.


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    #137
    ohnonotgmail
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    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    I don't believe it's a massive logical leap to think that people willingly dressing like that would demonstrate the stereotypes while dressed like that. I could be wrong, very very wrong, but I reckon I'm not. And given the costumes are already trying to do that, then even if they didn't, the point is still valid.

    Any thoughts on the two questions?


    so now you are stereotyping the guys in the pictures. you are assuming that their motives are racist. i think my irony meter has exploded.


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    #138
    timmy_mallet
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    For a start, dreadlocks. Did any of the Jamaican bobsled team of 1988 have dreadlocks? If they aren't imitating them, then they are imitating Cool Runnings, and only one of those had dreadlocks, so I suppose you could say, in defence of the culturally insensitives, that the two blokes are dressed as the same person.


    is that it? As i doubt anybody could even knows who the real guys were it is safe to assume they are imitating the guys in the film. And the biggest problem you can find is that two of them have dreadlocks? Its almost like you are looking for things to be offended about.

    No, that's not the biggest problem I have. And I'm not looking to be offended. I'm embarrassed for those blokes and can empathise with those who might be offended and wish they didn't have to witness the #bantz those guys were having.


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    #139
    Venom
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    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    I think we need to stop people crying wolf. Black face is a specific thing. Having a black face is not "Black Face."

    It's also funny how the usual special snowflakes only have a problem with the lads dressed up as characters from a movie and who may or may not be in fact be racists but not with the SJW muppet who posted this on facebook and who really seems to have a problem with the "fake Jews" :rolleyes:


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    #140
    timmy_mallet
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    I don't believe it's a massive logical leap to think that people willingly dressing like that would demonstrate the stereotypes while dressed like that. I could be wrong, very very wrong, but I reckon I'm not. And given the costumes are already trying to do that, then even if they didn't, the point is still valid.

    Any thoughts on the two questions?


    so now you are stereotyping the guys in the pictures. you are assuming that their motives are racist. i think my irony meter has exploded.

    I never said their motives were racist. I don't think anyone has said that. They might be racist, but nobody knows. What they are doing can be considered racist.


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    #141
    ohnonotgmail
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    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    No, that's not the biggest problem I have. And I'm not looking to be offended. I'm embarrassed for those blokes and can empathise with those who might be offended and wish they didn't have to witness the #bantz those guys were having.


    you have no idea what "bantz" these guys are having. you have no idea what anybody witnessed. you have extrapolated all this from a few still photographs.


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    #142
    ohnonotgmail
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    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    I never said their motives were racist. I don't think anyone has said that. They might be racist, but nobody knows. What they are doing can be considered racist.

    why? they seem to be dressing up as a member of a different ethnicity. Everything else you have constructed from whole cloth.


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    #143
    timmy_mallet
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    No, that's not the biggest problem I have. And I'm not looking to be offended. I'm embarrassed for those blokes and can empathise with those who might be offended and wish they didn't have to witness the #bantz those guys were having.


    you have no idea what "bantz" these guys are having. you have no idea what anybody witnessed. you have extrapolated all this from a few still photographs.

    Hold on, are the still pictures not enough to know what somebody will have witnessed or do we need to have personally witnessed it to comment? Is that valid for group of still image?


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    #144
    ohnonotgmail
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    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Hold on, are the still pictures not enough to know what somebody will have witnessed or do we need to have personally witnessed it to comment? Is that valid for group of still image?


    the witnessed a group of guys dressed up as characters from a film.


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    #145
    timmy_mallet
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    I never said their motives were racist. I don't think anyone has said that. They might be racist, but nobody knows. What they are doing can be considered racist.

    why? they seem to be dressing up as a member of a different ethnicity. Everything else you have constructed from whole cloth.

    "They seem" or "they are"?

    And dressing up as a member of a different ethnicity can be considered racist. Whether we disagree on that is irrelevant.


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    #146
    timmy_mallet
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Hold on, are the still pictures not enough to know what somebody will have witnessed or do we need to have personally witnessed it to comment? Is that valid for group of still image?


    the witnessed a group of guys dressed up as characters from a film.

    Exactly. Thanks.


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    #147
    ohnonotgmail
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    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Exactly. Thanks.


    and from that you have extrapolated so much more.


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    #148
    timmy_mallet
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Exactly. Thanks.


    and from that you have extrapolated so much more.

    Nope. I have not.

    Why do you think they all decided to dress up as black characters (bear in mind that there are more than movie characters there, there are sports people too)? Is it purely coincidental?


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    #149
    FortySeven
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    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Nope. I have not.

    Why do you think they all decided to dress up as black characters (bear in mind that there are more than movie characters there, there are sports people too)? Is it purely coincidental?

    Why does it matter? Surely there's no difference between black or white?


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    #150
    Venom
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    and from that you have extrapolated so much more.

    You can't be going and using facts and logic on a situation like this. A special snowflake with Jewish issues got triggered!

    TRIGGERED!

    The internet MUST BE OUTRAGED!!!!!!


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    #151
    ohnonotgmail
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    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Nope. I have not.

    Why do you think they all decided to dress up as black characters (bear in mind that there are more than movie characters there, there are sports people too)? Is it purely coincidental?

    Perhaps they picked a theme. who knows. why assume their motives are racist?


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