Building on a fairy fort?

paddysdream

mocmo wrote: »

It is very likely that this site is listed on the Record of Monuments and Places (RMP) and as such is afforded the following protection:

When the owner or occupier of a property, or any other person proposes to carry out, or to cause, or to permit the carrying out of any work at or in relation to a Recorded Monument or a Registered Monument they are required to give notice in writing to the Minister 2 months before commencing that work. This is to allow the National Monuments Service time consider the proposed works and how best to proceed to further the protection of the monument.

Any notification of works at or in relation to a Recorded or Registered Monument should be given using this form - Ministerial Notification - Works at/near Monument - and forwarded to nationalmonuments@ahg.gov.ie marked "Notification under the National Monuments Acts 1930-2004". Source: http://www.archaeology.ie/monument-protection

All that said, you will not be allowed to build on the site, while sub-surface archaeological sites get discovered and excavated in advance of developments, upstanding known monuments are very rarely disturbed with developments diverted/altered to leave them be.

You can search for your site here http://webgis.archaeology.ie/historicenvironment/

See from that I have 4 red dots beside a farmyard!!!!
Many of the "sites "marked locally are only visible from the air and show up in crops or are in many cases totally gone from land improvements.
Wouldn't be too bothered with a bit of a bank in the corner of a bad field but that's from a practical cost point of view as I look on these "bad luck"stories as just that;stories.Big bank of dirt and stones in the middle of a tramline is a different case though.

Have an old graveyard with ruins,marker stones,clay banks etc right here at the yard.Over the years have cut down all the whitethorns growing in it(burned likes the fires of hell),moved banks back and found lots of bones washed out after heavy rain or from cattle/sheep poaching(pretty old ones as they are exactly like the honeycomb centre in a crunchie)
Was told everything from the timber won't burn to all the bad luck coming my way.Load of sh**e to be honest.Even remember as a kid me and my brothers digging up the graveyard part with spades during one summer holiday in a vain attempt to find buried treasure!!
Wouldn't knock it down or anything but as regards the superstition well its not for me.Bit o heritage is all fine and dandy but many sites marked are no more than primitive cattle wintering units.Wonder if slatted units will be served with protection orders if cattle prices take a long turn for the worse in the coming years?
The dead can do us no harm so lets worry about the living .
Many of the pisreogs (sp) you hear are based on ignorance and half remembered stories told at night to frighten impressionable kids in a time before tv or electric light.My grandfather (born 1880) so not exactly a product of modern times ,always said that there was nothing in the dark that wasn't there in the light and dismissed these stories out of hand.
As regards building on one of them,supposing the local council happened not to notice;well the early inhabitents of Ireland had a pretty good selection of sites and therefore you would imagine they picked the prime ones.No reason to worry about building where someone decided to live maybe a thousand years previously is there?

kerry cow

The wheel always comes full circle and it sometimes can take a long time but it will come round and sorry to state that you will pay the price for disrespect of the people who have gone before you .When theses bad tides visit your family you are so in denial you don't relies what triggered it .
But I do wish you the best with no bad feelings .
There are people out there that know good thought rebound in good ways and visa versa.

patsy_mccabe

mocmo wrote: »

....You can search for your site here http://webgis.archaeology.ie/historicenvironment/

Great link. Unbelievable the info that is now available online now. I see there is a crazy amount of stuff near me.

Stealthfins

laoch na mona wrote:

wasting money on a healer would be a nice bit of universal justice for a vandal who destroyed a piece of Irish heritage

I tell you what,take out a loan buy land with an old fort on it.
Level the thing to the ground....let us know how it went...
Don't state the obvious,you'll be short cash and have a useless piece of land in your possession...

laoch na mona

Stealthfins wrote: »

I tell you what,take out a loan buy land with an old fort on it.
Level the thing to the ground....let us know how it went...
Don't state the obvious,you'll be short cash and have a useless piece of land in your possession...

I have no interest in destroying heritage, If I'm ever looking to develop a sight of archaeological significance I'd make sure the sight was excavated first so the archaeological evidence isn't lost forever.

Kovu

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Great link. Unbelievable the info that is now available online now. I see there is a crazy amount of stuff near me.

It's pretty cool alright. They have our mass rock in the wrong field though :P

GLAS also have a section on maintenance of historical sites so if you're in it, it's actually of benefit to keep the site clean and undamaged.

ganmo

the amount of scitter on this thread is unreal!

faries don't turn milk sour and fairy forts aren't bad luck

Username John

kerry cow wrote: »

The wheel always comes full circle and it sometimes can take a long time but it will come round and sorry to state that you will pay the price for disrespect of the people who have gone before you .When theses bad tides visit your family you are so in denial you don't relies what triggered it .
But I do wish you the best with no bad feelings .
There are people out there that know good thought rebound in good ways and visa versa.

The thing is tho, there will always be something happen to someone that could be attributed to the fairies / bad luck...

Farming is now (according to the stats) the most dangerous profession, so accidents are happening
People die
People get sick

If you are looking for something to attribute to the fairies, tis easy to find one in most cases...

Now, whether they would have happened anyways... sure who knows...

Buford T. Justice XIX

mocmo wrote: »

It is very likely that this site is listed on the Record of Monuments and Places (RMP) and as such is afforded the following protection:

When the owner or occupier of a property, or any other person proposes to carry out, or to cause, or to permit the carrying out of any work at or in relation to a Recorded Monument or a Registered Monument they are required to give notice in writing to the Minister 2 months before commencing that work. This is to allow the National Monuments Service time consider the proposed works and how best to proceed to further the protection of the monument.

Any notification of works at or in relation to a Recorded or Registered Monument should be given using this form - Ministerial Notification - Works at/near Monument - and forwarded to nationalmonuments@ahg.gov.ie marked "Notification under the National Monuments Acts 1930-2004". Source: http://www.archaeology.ie/monument-protection

All that said, you will not be allowed to build on the site, while sub-surface archaeological sites get discovered and excavated in advance of developments, upstanding known monuments are very rarely disturbed with developments diverted/altered to leave them be.

You can search for your site here http://webgis.archaeology.ie/historicenvironment/

Thanks for that link.

We have 5 fulacht fia, 3 ringforts, only one of which I know anything about but have way more info that is in the link and 1 church which I had thought was where a ringfort is:o.

I must try to locate where the church was now. Does anyone know how to find a spot using GPS coordinates and a smartphone?

Base price

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Thanks for that link.

We have 5 fulacht fia, 3 ringforts, only one of which I know anything about but have way more info that is in the link and 1 church which I had thought was where a ringfort is:o.

I must try to locate where the church was now. Does anyone know how to find a spot using GPS coordinates and a smartphone?

+1

Water John

If you have an iphone, open the Compass and it will give your location with GPS.
Not in Maps, in Compass. Don't know if that applies to other phones.

ganmo

stick the gps coords into google maps and away ya go

The Cuban

An awful amount of Ring forts have been destroyed by Coillte and private forestry. The County councils haven't been doing there job either in protecting them. They often give planning for forestry without any care of due diligence towards these monuments.

Sam Kade

ganmo wrote: »

the amount of scitter on this thread is unreal!

faries don't turn milk sour and fairy forts aren't bad luck

What's scitter? And what are these faries that don't turn milk sour.

Buford T. Justice XIX

ganmo wrote: »

stick the gps coords into google maps and away ya go

I did and all it gave me was a blue dot over my own house

2 x 6 figure numbers separated by a space into the search option on top of the screen?

ganmo

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I did and all it gave me was a blue dot over my own house

2 x 6 figure numbers separated by a space into the search option on top of the screen?

The blue dot is where you are, ya copy and paste the 2 long numbers, one might be a minus number.

Scitter = that stuff slurry is made of

ganmo

Attached for example
Random numbers for the coords

mocmo

mocmo wrote: »

It is very likely that this site is listed on the Record of Monuments and Places (RMP) and as such is afforded the following protection:

When the owner or occupier of a property, or any other person proposes to carry out, or to cause, or to permit the carrying out of any work at or in relation to a Recorded Monument or a Registered Monument they are required to give notice in writing to the Minister 2 months before commencing that work. This is to allow the National Monuments Service time consider the proposed works and how best to proceed to further the protection of the monument.

Any notification of works at or in relation to a Recorded or Registered Monument should be given using this form - Ministerial Notification - Works at/near Monument - and forwarded to nationalmonuments@ahg.gov.ie marked "Notification under the National Monuments Acts 1930-2004". Source: http://www.archaeology.ie/monument-protection

All that said, you will not be allowed to build on the site, while sub-surface archaeological sites get discovered and excavated in advance of developments, upstanding known monuments are very rarely disturbed with developments diverted/altered to leave them be.

You can search for your site here http://webgis.archaeology.ie/historicenvironment/

Fantastically informative post and link. Hilarious thread. But not entertaining enough for me to actually build on a fairy fort. Ar eagla na heagla (Just in case.) Do not go near it especially on Oíche Shamhna. You've been warned.

runawaybishop

kerry cow wrote: »

The wheel always comes full circle and it sometimes can take a long time but it will come round and sorry to state that you will pay the price for disrespect of the people who have gone before you .When theses bad tides visit your family you are so in denial you don't relies what triggered it .
But I do wish you the best with no bad feelings .
There are people out there that know good thought rebound in good ways and visa versa.

Lad beside me cleared a fort. 14 years and 3 weeks to the day someone scratched his car in Dunnes. Those Wee folk, crafty they are.

Mad isn't it that something that can scratch your car!, or apparently murder 2 children for something they weren't even part of, can't stop a digger.

Full circle my hoop. You should be a good person because it's the right thing. Not because you might get a reward sent your way or because you'll be punished.

mf240

He should of went to lidl.

Base price

Water John wrote: »

If you have an iphone, open the Compass and it will give your location with GPS.
Not in Maps, in Compass. Don't know if that applies to other phones.

I appears that Nokia phones don't have a compass :mad:

djmc

Heard of an old man say once that sure no one believes in fairies
But their real .
The fairies were old Irish religion so maybe they are as real as God or Jesus Christ or Ala or Buddha Valhalla ancient Greek gods etc.
People believed very strongly in these things once and still do today.
What the afterlife holds for sure nobody has come back to say.
Nobody I know personally anyway.

Nekarsulm

Base price wrote: »

I appears that Nokia phones don't have a compass :mad:

If you have a sat-nav bring it to the site, and when you select "where am I now", it will give the Eastings and Northings.

Base price

Nekarsulm wrote: »

If you have a sat-nav bring it to the site, and when you select "where am I now", it will give the Eastings and Northings.

Ah Nek come on now, I can just about manage the phone
I can't stand those sat-nav thingies. If I need to know where I'm going I prefer the auld reliable printed map or stop the first person ye meet to ask for directions.
I must look up the Nokia Store to see if there is a free app that uses GPS co-ordinates. If anyone knows of one I would appreciate if you could let me know.

Kovu

Base price wrote: »

Ah Nek come on now, I can just about manage the phone
I can't stand those sat-nav thingies. If I need to know where I'm going I prefer the auld reliable printed map or stop the first person ye meet to ask for directions.
I must look up the Nokia Store to see if there is a free app that uses GPS co-ordinates. If anyone knows of one I would appreciate if you could let me know.

This any good? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.qbiki.gpscoordinates&hl=en

Genghis Cant

Base price wrote: »

Ah Nek come on now, I can just about manage the phone
I can't stand those sat-nav thingies. If I need to know where I'm going I prefer the auld reliable printed map or stop the first person ye meet to ask for directions.
I must look up the Nokia Store to see if there is a free app that uses GPS co-ordinates. If anyone knows of one I would appreciate if you could let me know.

I was at a meeting recently and they were recommending the Viewranger app.

memorystick

gctest50 wrote: »

It's not Stonehenge like

Wrong approach

Nekarsulm

Base price wrote: »

Ah Nek come on now, I can just about manage the phone
I can't stand those sat-nav thingies.

Yeah, they can be infuriating at times, but at least if you save a location it will always get you back there again.
Very handy if you need to find remote locations, like sites.
Sometimes sites you have visited coming from totally different directions are only miles apart in reality.

Curly Judge

djmc wrote: »

Heard of an old man say once that sure no one believes in fairies
But their real .
The fairies were old Irish religion so maybe they are as real as God or Jesus Christ or Ala or Buddha Valhalla ancient Greek gods etc.
People believed very strongly in these things once and still do today.
What the afterlife holds for sure nobody has come back to say.
Nobody I know personally anyway.

The great Harry Houdini promised his beloved wife that if he could possibly come back and tell her about over yonder, he would.
He never did.
It's fair to say that if Harry couldn't make it, nobody can.

Base price

Kovu wrote: »

This any good? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.qbiki.gpscoordinates&hl=en

I think that one tells you your GPS co-ordinates at your location. Same as the Sheriff had with his house.

Genghis Cant wrote: »

I was at a meeting recently and they were recommending the Viewranger app.

Thanks, will have a look at that one.

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Yeah, they can be infuriating at times, but at least if you save a location it will always get you back there again.
Very handy if you need to find remote locations, like sites.
Sometimes sites you have visited coming from totally different directions are only miles apart in reality.

I have Here Drive + on my phone which is handy if you sorta know where you are going.
True story, two winters ago late one evening, I got a phone call from a Longford friend who was trying to find her way to Beaumont Hospital via a sat-nav and she was lost. She hadn't a clue where she was and hadn't taken notice of any road signs. I told her to ask the first person that walked by the car or to go into a shop/garage and ask where she was. Within seconds she phoned me back and was talking to an elderly man who was out walking his dog. It turned out that she was somewhere near Sandyford?? I asked to speak to the man and he said that it was a regular occurrence for people to arrive on the Southside looking for directions to Beaumont Hospital