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Building on a fairy fort?

  • 17-07-2016 3:28pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1


    Does anybody know if it is legal build a house on a Fairy Fort?
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 665 ✭✭✭OverRide


    I'd advise against it
    When Dorothy's house landed on and killed the wicked witch of the north,there was awful trouble


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭ZETOR_IS_BETTER


    Dickie1985 wrote: »
    Does anybody know if it is legal build a house on a Fairy Fort?
    Don't think you can. AFAIK they are protected under the monuments act.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭Cavanjack


    Dickie1985 wrote: »
    Does anybody know if it is legal build a house on a Fairy Fort?

    Wouldn't think so. There was a note on my planning the distance the house was going to be from a fairy fort


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    Don't think you can. AFAIK they are protected under the monuments act.

    You'd wonder how the fairies got away with it in the first place.

    They must have had someone on the council I suppose..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    They are protected archaeological monuments, it's illegal to build on or to remove them. On the plus side you own a bit of Irish history:)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭pjproby


    Remember John DeLorean-built the car factory over one!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,934 ✭✭✭Renegade Mechanic


    pjproby wrote: »
    Remember John DeLorean-built the car factory over one!

    And Sean Quinn moved one in Cavan little over two decades ago.
    >.>
    <.<


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,271 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    I'd shake Holy Water on your keyboard if I were you. Have you lost your mind?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    They are protected archaeological monuments, it's illegal to build on or to remove them. On the plus side you own a bit of Irish history:)

    didn't they destroy an archeological site when building the m3 so there has to be some method of doing it legally


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭kollegeknight


    A yank came over and paid well in the council office and had a fort less than 10meters from his sitting room window. Fell out with the neighbours as he thought they were moving things around. He sold the house to a young couple and we never heard of anything strange since.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 666 ✭✭✭Full Marx


    Dickie1985 wrote: »
    Does anybody know if it is legal build a house on a Fairy Fort?

    Its not legal, and only a complete philistine would want to wantonly destroy an important piece of our heritage by building on it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Full Marx wrote: »
    Its not legal, and only a complete philistine would want to wantonly destroy an important piece of our heritage by building on it

    It's not Stonehenge like


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,584 ✭✭✭moleyv


    Check on the heritage.ie mapping system to see if it is a recorded monument.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,272 ✭✭✭zetecescort




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,544 ✭✭✭EndaHonesty


    gctest50 wrote: »
    It's not Stonehenge like

    You're right, Stonehenge is nothing to do with Irish heritage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭gctest50


    You're right, Stonehenge is nothing to do with Irish heritage.


    Hill of Tara then


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,810 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I would not touch any archeological significant site. We are not that tight on sites or land.
    Zetec, not sure if it as his first time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭Padster90s


    You could always check with the fairies! Build four small, stable piles of stones in the for corners of where you plan to build, leave for a day and a night and if any of them are fully knocked over its apparently a no from the fairies. My granny was big into all that stuff! Its interesting but I don't really believe it. Good luck!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,168 ✭✭✭Ursus Horribilis


    Hmm. The OP hasn't been back since he started the thread. Maybe the fairies got him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,831 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Water John wrote: »
    I would not touch any archeological significant site. We are not that tight on sites or land.
    Zetec, not sure if it as his first time.

    I think your right, aren't these ancient burial grounds, why disturb them ??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,167 ✭✭✭TopTec


    _Brian wrote: »
    I think your right, aren't these ancient burial grounds, why disturb them ??

    Most are protected settlements, stock and people moved in behind fortified wooden walls during times of attack from raiders. Lots of them round about here, 5 within 1k of my place. Almost certainly are some burials just outside the walls though.

    TT


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    _Brian wrote: »
    I think your right, aren't these ancient burial grounds, why disturb them ??

    fairy forts is a catchall term for iorn age ring forts, medieval mottes, burial cairns and any other earthen monuments. Theres a few down my way that look like old ringforts, while one in the nearest village is a medieval motte.

    I never understood why some landowners are so against conservation, theres a few I know of who spent money on bulldozing them for the sake of maybe 30 foot of grazing land max


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,991 ✭✭✭kk.man


    fairy forts is a catchall term for iorn age ring forts, medieval mottes, burial cairns and any other earthen monuments. Theres a few down my way that look like old ringforts, while one in the nearest village is a medieval motte.

    I never understood why some landowners are so against conservation, theres a few I know of who spent money on bulldozing them for the sake of maybe 30 foot of grazing land max
    I wouldn't touch one if you gave me all the money in the world. Did i read somewhere Sean Quinn moved one from his quarry?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,297 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    He moved a Cairn type structure, as the entire hill it was standing on was being quarried away. Relocated it to a position on the golf course.

    It was either that, or run it through the crusher.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭kerry cow


    A guy in kerry 3 to 4 yrs ago tampered with one got a 25 k fine , rte news , plastered across every paper and possibly a supended sentence .
    Any one who Fock with the fairies will eventually pay the price .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,893 ✭✭✭Bullocks


    kerry cow wrote: »
    A guy in kerry 3 to 4 yrs ago tampered with one got a 25 k fine , rte news , plastered across every paper and possibly a supended sentence .
    Any one who Fock with the fairies will eventually pay the price .

    I remember that , I don't think it was the fairies that landed him in court though .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    Bullocks wrote: »
    I remember that , I don't think it was the fairies that landed him in court though .

    maybe the fairies control the courts and live in barristers wigs :eek:

    or maybe the state rightly has laws protecting our national heritage.

    Either way best to leave 'fairy forts' alone


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    There is a quarry in North cork where the queen of the fairies lived, when the quarry first started there strange things happened machinery going on fire for no reason. They had a mass there and things quietened down since. They say you should never step onto a fairy fort at 12 midday or 12 midnight, I know a man that did and never stepped out again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,271 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    We have a fort on our land. There's two trees knocked down in there and I'm slow to go in and cut them for firing.
    Funny but I had a wild cow get her head caught in the fork of a tree last year. I had to cut the branch with a chainsaw only a few inches from the cows neck. During all this I was remembering all the times my Grandmother had warned me to keep out of the place when I was young.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Mrs cockett


    [During all this I was remembering all the times my Grandmother had warned me to keep out of the place when I was young.[/QUOTE]

    the old people were no fools


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    [During all this I was remembering all the times my Grandmother had warned me to keep out of the place when I was young.

    the old people were no fools[/QUOTE]

    It's how they (raths, fairy forts, ringforts ) survived for so long.

    There is places in Africa where the native people will not hunt or graze cattle because of these beliefs. It's no harm if it frightens the bejaysus out of people that woe will befall the person that damages them.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,527 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    Sam Kade wrote: »
    There is a quarry in North cork where the queen of the fairies lived, when the quarry first started there strange things happened machinery going on fire for no reason. They had a mass there and things quietened down since. They say you should never step onto a fairy fort at 12 midday or 12 midnight, I know a man that did and never stepped out again.
    Carrig Chlíona, best avoided


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 142 ✭✭marknine


    Dickie1985 wrote: »
    Does anybody know if it is legal build a c?
    Why would you even want to ? You would be building on the site of a bronze age round house.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    kerry cow wrote: »
    A guy in kerry 3 to 4 yrs ago tampered with one got a 25 k fine , rte news , plastered across every paper and possibly a supended sentence .
    Any one who Fock with the fairies will eventually pay the price .

    Is that the guy who increased the value of his land by €40,000 by doing this?


    Fairies don't exist. It's fine if you want to believe in them but don't expect anyone to take you seriously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    There is places in Africa where the native people will not hunt or graze cattle because of these beliefs.

    They also sacrifice albinos, is that OK with you as well?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,868 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Effects wrote: »
    Is that the guy who increased the value of his land by €40,000 by doing this?


    Fairies don't exist. It's fine if you want to believe in them but don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

    Really?? Have you evidence for that given that most of the monument was below ground??. I have a few famine graves on my place in North Mayo. Maybe if i bulldoze them I'll become a millionaire:rolleyes:


    Personally don't have much time for people that glorify the destruction of the country's heritage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    These ring forts ( they are not burial places) were once widespread across Europe.
    Fortunately the fear of the fairies protected them here.
    It's a rare example of our backwardness bringing us a fortunate result.
    Even the dreaded British landlord class left them alone to a great extent.
    Unfortunately there is a type of land grabbing muck savage out there who'll stop at nothing to increase his milk cheque.
    They know and care as much about civilization and history as a pig does about a clean shirt,
    If the fairies don't get him, his neighbours should


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭Noveight


    There's great respect for fairy forts around my own part. I know of a few fairly big meadows that would be totally clear bar 1 or 2 white thorn trees. Lads won't clear them for fear of drawing bad luck on themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,831 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    I know of one farmyard built in a fort, actually only half of the fort now exists.

    No doubt they would have a lot of farming hardships but I think it's more to do with their approach to things than anything fairy related.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,313 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    Carrig Chlíona, best avoided
    That's it, why should it be avioided?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,271 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Just did a quick look there on Google Earth. 5 forts alone in a half mile radius in this area near Quinn in Co. Clare. The west of Ireland seems to be full of them.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,141 ✭✭✭Stealthfins


    Any pleb who'd build or destroy historical sites are going to bring bad luck upon themselves.

    Because any decision they make in life is usually the wrong decision,they are of the muck savage ilk,no respect for anything....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,831 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Just did a quick look there on Google Earth. 5 forts alone in a half mile radius in this area near Quinn in Co. Clare. The west of Ireland seems to be full of them.

    Similar here in Cavan..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,929 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    Mozzeltoff wrote: »
    Story like this going around years ago in North Tipp as well.

    There was plans for a new housing estate to be built outside Thurles. However the proposed site for the estate had a ring fort on it. No one wanted to destroy the fort but apparently one machine driver decided to take on the challenge and bull dozed it. He got no luck for it apparently and years of misfortune followed him. Apparently he suffered a massive cardiac arrest, broke his hip, his house went up on fire etc.

    @ OP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭Mrs cockett


    Fairies don't exist. It's fine if you want to believe in them but don't expect anyone to take you seriously.[/QUOTE]

    Ah you don't mean it!


  • Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just did a quick look there on Google Earth. 5 forts alone in a half mile radius in this area near Quinn in Co. Clare. The west of Ireland seems to be full of them.

    You missed one at the top, left of the middle of the picture


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    Just did a quick look there on Google Earth. 5 forts alone in a half mile radius in this area near Quinn in Co. Clare. The west of Ireland seems to be full of them.

    If you look at the old maps. Where I am in wexford there was 10 raths in a half mile radius. What they were, were old farmsteads for people and protection of livestock at night.
    Where this thing of bad luck with them came in I'd say was a rath was where a family or extended family lived. Then back then disease and viruses were common in the population and not treatable like today. I remember hearing of whole households being wiped out by Tb back in the 30's in Ireland. So I assume back in the day that whole families in raths could have been wiped out by Tb or similar and advice was to stay away from these raths.
    Perhaps even the sickness could have been blamed on the fairies as I doubt they knew what plague or Tb was.

    So I doubt then that people would build in an abandoned rath but go and build a new one instead and maybe leave the other one to the "fairies".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Birdnuts wrote: »
    Really?? Have you evidence for that given that most of the monument was below ground??. I have a few famine graves on my place in North Mayo. Maybe if i bulldoze them I'll become a millionaire:rolleyes:


    Personally don't have much time for people that glorify the destruction of the country's heritage.

    It was on a boards post at the time and the calculations were done by boards users. I'd imagine it was a different one as I think the one I'm talking about was a ring fort.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭kerry cow


    My uncle Focked around with a fort , burial ground and old church in mid 70s level the lot into a green modern paddock system .Every one in the family didn't want him to do it but he was blinded at the time with modernisation.
    Later that year both he and the contractor lost their first born children .
    As you get older you become more respectful to these unknown superstitions .
    I have heard of guys getting healers in to clear land of bad energies .any experience out there ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭Curly Judge


    kerry cow wrote: »
    My uncle Focked around with a fort , burial ground and old church in mid 70s level the lot into a green modern paddock system .Every one in the family didn't want him to do it but he was blinded at the time with modernisation.
    Later that year both he and the contractor lost their first born children .
    As you get older you become more respectful to these unknown superstitions .
    I have heard of guys getting healers in to clear land of bad energies .any experience out there ?

    There is another very strong piseog in our area against anyone making an unwelcome financial or asset acquiring move against a widowed woman or her children.
    Nothing good was said to ever come of it.
    While I don't believe any of it for a moment, I can't help feeling that this too had very good social value, as it helped protect the vulnerable and exposed in society.
    A sort of Celtic Karma?


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