Building on a fairy fort?

Dickie1985

Does anybody know if it is legal build a house on a Fairy Fort?

OverRide

I'd advise against it
When Dorothy's house landed on and killed the wicked witch of the north,there was awful trouble

ZETOR_IS_BETTER

Dickie1985 wrote: »

Does anybody know if it is legal build a house on a Fairy Fort?

Don't think you can. AFAIK they are protected under the monuments act.

Cavanjack

Dickie1985 wrote: »

Does anybody know if it is legal build a house on a Fairy Fort?

Wouldn't think so. There was a note on my planning the distance the house was going to be from a fairy fort

kowtow

ZETOR_IS_BETTER wrote: »

Don't think you can. AFAIK they are protected under the monuments act.

You'd wonder how the fairies got away with it in the first place.

They must have had someone on the council I suppose..

laoch na mona

They are protected archaeological monuments, it's illegal to build on or to remove them. On the plus side you own a bit of Irish history:)

pjproby

Remember John DeLorean-built the car factory over one!

Renegade Mechanic

pjproby wrote: »

Remember John DeLorean-built the car factory over one!

And Sean Quinn moved one in Cavan little over two decades ago.
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patsy_mccabe

I'd shake Holy Water on your keyboard if I were you. Have you lost your mind?

ganmo

laoch na mona wrote: »

They are protected archaeological monuments, it's illegal to build on or to remove them. On the plus side you own a bit of Irish history:)

didn't they destroy an archeological site when building the m3 so there has to be some method of doing it legally

kollegeknight

A yank came over and paid well in the council office and had a fort less than 10meters from his sitting room window. Fell out with the neighbours as he thought they were moving things around. He sold the house to a young couple and we never heard of anything strange since.

Full Marx

Dickie1985 wrote: »

Does anybody know if it is legal build a house on a Fairy Fort?

Its not legal, and only a complete philistine would want to wantonly destroy an important piece of our heritage by building on it

gctest50

Full Marx wrote: »

Its not legal, and only a complete philistine would want to wantonly destroy an important piece of our heritage by building on it

It's not Stonehenge like

moleyv

Check on the heritage.ie mapping system to see if it is a recorded monument.

zetecescort

court case in Cork a few years ago

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/farmer-i-didnt-know-felled-forts-were-monuments-213298.html

EndaHonesty

gctest50 wrote: »

It's not Stonehenge like

You're right, Stonehenge is nothing to do with Irish heritage.

gctest50

EndaHonesty wrote: »

You're right, Stonehenge is nothing to do with Irish heritage.

Hill of Tara then

Water John

I would not touch any archeological significant site. We are not that tight on sites or land.
Zetec, not sure if it as his first time.

Padster90s

You could always check with the fairies! Build four small, stable piles of stones in the for corners of where you plan to build, leave for a day and a night and if any of them are fully knocked over its apparently a no from the fairies. My granny was big into all that stuff! Its interesting but I don't really believe it. Good luck!

Ursus Horribilis

Hmm. The OP hasn't been back since he started the thread. Maybe the fairies got him.

_Brian

Water John wrote: »

I would not touch any archeological significant site. We are not that tight on sites or land.
Zetec, not sure if it as his first time.

I think your right, aren't these ancient burial grounds, why disturb them ??

TopTec

_Brian wrote: »

I think your right, aren't these ancient burial grounds, why disturb them ??

Most are protected settlements, stock and people moved in behind fortified wooden walls during times of attack from raiders. Lots of them round about here, 5 within 1k of my place. Almost certainly are some burials just outside the walls though.

TT

laoch na mona

_Brian wrote: »

I think your right, aren't these ancient burial grounds, why disturb them ??

fairy forts is a catchall term for iorn age ring forts, medieval mottes, burial cairns and any other earthen monuments. Theres a few down my way that look like old ringforts, while one in the nearest village is a medieval motte.

I never understood why some landowners are so against conservation, theres a few I know of who spent money on bulldozing them for the sake of maybe 30 foot of grazing land max

kk.man

laoch na mona wrote: »

fairy forts is a catchall term for iorn age ring forts, medieval mottes, burial cairns and any other earthen monuments. Theres a few down my way that look like old ringforts, while one in the nearest village is a medieval motte.

I never understood why some landowners are so against conservation, theres a few I know of who spent money on bulldozing them for the sake of maybe 30 foot of grazing land max

I wouldn't touch one if you gave me all the money in the world. Did i read somewhere Sean Quinn moved one from his quarry?

Nekarsulm

He moved a Cairn type structure, as the entire hill it was standing on was being quarried away. Relocated it to a position on the golf course.

It was either that, or run it through the crusher.

kerry cow

A guy in kerry 3 to 4 yrs ago tampered with one got a 25 k fine , rte news , plastered across every paper and possibly a supended sentence .
Any one who Fock with the fairies will eventually pay the price .

Bullocks

kerry cow wrote: »

A guy in kerry 3 to 4 yrs ago tampered with one got a 25 k fine , rte news , plastered across every paper and possibly a supended sentence .
Any one who Fock with the fairies will eventually pay the price .

I remember that , I don't think it was the fairies that landed him in court though .

laoch na mona

Bullocks wrote: »

I remember that , I don't think it was the fairies that landed him in court though .

maybe the fairies control the courts and live in barristers wigs :eek:

or maybe the state rightly has laws protecting our national heritage.

Either way best to leave 'fairy forts' alone

Sam Kade

There is a quarry in North cork where the queen of the fairies lived, when the quarry first started there strange things happened machinery going on fire for no reason. They had a mass there and things quietened down since. They say you should never step onto a fairy fort at 12 midday or 12 midnight, I know a man that did and never stepped out again.

patsy_mccabe

We have a fort on our land. There's two trees knocked down in there and I'm slow to go in and cut them for firing.
Funny but I had a wild cow get her head caught in the fork of a tree last year. I had to cut the branch with a chainsaw only a few inches from the cows neck. During all this I was remembering all the times my Grandmother had warned me to keep out of the place when I was young.

Mrs cockett

[During all this I was remembering all the times my Grandmother had warned me to keep out of the place when I was young.[/QUOTE]

the old people were no fools

pedigree 6

Mrs cockett wrote: »

[During all this I was remembering all the times my Grandmother had warned me to keep out of the place when I was young.

the old people were no fools[/QUOTE]

It's how they (raths, fairy forts, ringforts ) survived for so long.

There is places in Africa where the native people will not hunt or graze cattle because of these beliefs. It's no harm if it frightens the bejaysus out of people that woe will befall the person that damages them.

byhookorbycrook

Sam Kade wrote: »

There is a quarry in North cork where the queen of the fairies lived, when the quarry first started there strange things happened machinery going on fire for no reason. They had a mass there and things quietened down since. They say you should never step onto a fairy fort at 12 midday or 12 midnight, I know a man that did and never stepped out again.

Carrig Chlíona, best avoided

marknine

Dickie1985 wrote: »

Does anybody know if it is legal build a c?

Why would you even want to ? You would be building on the site of a bronze age round house.

Effects

kerry cow wrote: »

A guy in kerry 3 to 4 yrs ago tampered with one got a 25 k fine , rte news , plastered across every paper and possibly a supended sentence .
Any one who Fock with the fairies will eventually pay the price .

Is that the guy who increased the value of his land by €40,000 by doing this?


Fairies don't exist. It's fine if you want to believe in them but don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

Effects

pedigree 6 wrote: »

There is places in Africa where the native people will not hunt or graze cattle because of these beliefs.

They also sacrifice albinos, is that OK with you as well?

Birdnuts

Effects wrote: »

Is that the guy who increased the value of his land by €40,000 by doing this?


Fairies don't exist. It's fine if you want to believe in them but don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

Really?? Have you evidence for that given that most of the monument was below ground??. I have a few famine graves on my place in North Mayo. Maybe if i bulldoze them I'll become a millionaire:rolleyes:


Personally don't have much time for people that glorify the destruction of the country's heritage.

Curly Judge

These ring forts ( they are not burial places) were once widespread across Europe.
Fortunately the fear of the fairies protected them here.
It's a rare example of our backwardness bringing us a fortunate result.
Even the dreaded British landlord class left them alone to a great extent.
Unfortunately there is a type of land grabbing muck savage out there who'll stop at nothing to increase his milk cheque.
They know and care as much about civilization and history as a pig does about a clean shirt,
If the fairies don't get him, his neighbours should

Noveight

There's great respect for fairy forts around my own part. I know of a few fairly big meadows that would be totally clear bar 1 or 2 white thorn trees. Lads won't clear them for fear of drawing bad luck on themselves.

_Brian

I know of one farmyard built in a fort, actually only half of the fort now exists.

No doubt they would have a lot of farming hardships but I think it's more to do with their approach to things than anything fairy related.

Sam Kade

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Carrig Chlíona, best avoided

That's it, why should it be avioided?

patsy_mccabe

Just did a quick look there on Google Earth. 5 forts alone in a half mile radius in this area near Quinn in Co. Clare. The west of Ireland seems to be full of them.

Stealthfins

Any pleb who'd build or destroy historical sites are going to bring bad luck upon themselves.

Because any decision they make in life is usually the wrong decision,they are of the muck savage ilk,no respect for anything....

_Brian

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Just did a quick look there on Google Earth. 5 forts alone in a half mile radius in this area near Quinn in Co. Clare. The west of Ireland seems to be full of them.

Similar here in Cavan..

Grab All Association

Mozzeltoff wrote: »

Story like this going around years ago in North Tipp as well.

There was plans for a new housing estate to be built outside Thurles. However the proposed site for the estate had a ring fort on it. No one wanted to destroy the fort but apparently one machine driver decided to take on the challenge and bull dozed it. He got no luck for it apparently and years of misfortune followed him. Apparently he suffered a massive cardiac arrest, broke his hip, his house went up on fire etc.

@ OP

Mrs cockett

Fairies don't exist. It's fine if you want to believe in them but don't expect anyone to take you seriously.[/QUOTE]

Ah you don't mean it!

patsy_mccabe

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Just did a quick look there on Google Earth. 5 forts alone in a half mile radius in this area near Quinn in Co. Clare. The west of Ireland seems to be full of them.

You missed one at the top, left of the middle of the picture

pedigree 6

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Just did a quick look there on Google Earth. 5 forts alone in a half mile radius in this area near Quinn in Co. Clare. The west of Ireland seems to be full of them.

If you look at the old maps. Where I am in wexford there was 10 raths in a half mile radius. What they were, were old farmsteads for people and protection of livestock at night.
Where this thing of bad luck with them came in I'd say was a rath was where a family or extended family lived. Then back then disease and viruses were common in the population and not treatable like today. I remember hearing of whole households being wiped out by Tb back in the 30's in Ireland. So I assume back in the day that whole families in raths could have been wiped out by Tb or similar and advice was to stay away from these raths.
Perhaps even the sickness could have been blamed on the fairies as I doubt they knew what plague or Tb was.

So I doubt then that people would build in an abandoned rath but go and build a new one instead and maybe leave the other one to the "fairies".

Effects

Birdnuts wrote: »

Really?? Have you evidence for that given that most of the monument was below ground??. I have a few famine graves on my place in North Mayo. Maybe if i bulldoze them I'll become a millionaire:rolleyes:


Personally don't have much time for people that glorify the destruction of the country's heritage.

It was on a boards post at the time and the calculations were done by boards users. I'd imagine it was a different one as I think the one I'm talking about was a ring fort.

kerry cow

My uncle Focked around with a fort , burial ground and old church in mid 70s level the lot into a green modern paddock system .Every one in the family didn't want him to do it but he was blinded at the time with modernisation.
Later that year both he and the contractor lost their first born children .
As you get older you become more respectful to these unknown superstitions .
I have heard of guys getting healers in to clear land of bad energies .any experience out there ?

Curly Judge

kerry cow wrote: »

My uncle Focked around with a fort , burial ground and old church in mid 70s level the lot into a green modern paddock system .Every one in the family didn't want him to do it but he was blinded at the time with modernisation.
Later that year both he and the contractor lost their first born children .
As you get older you become more respectful to these unknown superstitions .
I have heard of guys getting healers in to clear land of bad energies .any experience out there ?

There is another very strong piseog in our area against anyone making an unwelcome financial or asset acquiring move against a widowed woman or her children.
Nothing good was said to ever come of it.
While I don't believe any of it for a moment, I can't help feeling that this too had very good social value, as it helped protect the vulnerable and exposed in society.
A sort of Celtic Karma?