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Building on a fairy fort?

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  • #32
    pedigree 6
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    Mrs cockett wrote: »
    [During all this I was remembering all the times my Grandmother had warned me to keep out of the place when I was young.

    the old people were no fools[/QUOTE]

    It's how they (raths, fairy forts, ringforts ) survived for so long.

    There is places in Africa where the native people will not hunt or graze cattle because of these beliefs. It's no harm if it frightens the bejaysus out of people that woe will befall the person that damages them.


  • #33
    byhookorbycrook
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    Sam Kade wrote: »
    There is a quarry in North cork where the queen of the fairies lived, when the quarry first started there strange things happened machinery going on fire for no reason. They had a mass there and things quietened down since. They say you should never step onto a fairy fort at 12 midday or 12 midnight, I know a man that did and never stepped out again.
    Carrig Chlíona, best avoided


  • #34
    marknine
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    Dickie1985 wrote: »
    Does anybody know if it is legal build a c?
    Why would you even want to ? You would be building on the site of a bronze age round house.


  • #35
    Effects
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    kerry cow wrote: »
    A guy in kerry 3 to 4 yrs ago tampered with one got a 25 k fine , rte news , plastered across every paper and possibly a supended sentence .
    Any one who Fock with the fairies will eventually pay the price .

    Is that the guy who increased the value of his land by €40,000 by doing this?


    Fairies don't exist. It's fine if you want to believe in them but don't expect anyone to take you seriously.


  • #36
    Effects
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    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    There is places in Africa where the native people will not hunt or graze cattle because of these beliefs.

    They also sacrifice albinos, is that OK with you as well?


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  • #37
    Birdnuts
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    Effects wrote: »
    Is that the guy who increased the value of his land by €40,000 by doing this?


    Fairies don't exist. It's fine if you want to believe in them but don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

    Really?? Have you evidence for that given that most of the monument was below ground??. I have a few famine graves on my place in North Mayo. Maybe if i bulldoze them I'll become a millionaire:rolleyes:


    Personally don't have much time for people that glorify the destruction of the country's heritage.


  • #38
    Curly Judge
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    These ring forts ( they are not burial places) were once widespread across Europe.
    Fortunately the fear of the fairies protected them here.
    It's a rare example of our backwardness bringing us a fortunate result.
    Even the dreaded British landlord class left them alone to a great extent.
    Unfortunately there is a type of land grabbing muck savage out there who'll stop at nothing to increase his milk cheque.
    They know and care as much about civilization and history as a pig does about a clean shirt,
    If the fairies don't get him, his neighbours should


  • #39
    Noveight
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    There's great respect for fairy forts around my own part. I know of a few fairly big meadows that would be totally clear bar 1 or 2 white thorn trees. Lads won't clear them for fear of drawing bad luck on themselves.


  • #40
    _Brian
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    I know of one farmyard built in a fort, actually only half of the fort now exists.

    No doubt they would have a lot of farming hardships but I think it's more to do with their approach to things than anything fairy related.


  • #41
    Sam Kade
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    byhookorbycrook wrote: »
    Carrig Chlíona, best avoided
    That's it, why should it be avioided?


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  • #42
    patsy_mccabe
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    Just did a quick look there on Google Earth. 5 forts alone in a half mile radius in this area near Quinn in Co. Clare. The west of Ireland seems to be full of them.


  • #43
    Stealthfins
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    Any pleb who'd build or destroy historical sites are going to bring bad luck upon themselves.

    Because any decision they make in life is usually the wrong decision,they are of the muck savage ilk,no respect for anything....


  • #44
    _Brian
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    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Just did a quick look there on Google Earth. 5 forts alone in a half mile radius in this area near Quinn in Co. Clare. The west of Ireland seems to be full of them.

    Similar here in Cavan..


  • #45
    Grab All Association
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    Mozzeltoff wrote: »
    Story like this going around years ago in North Tipp as well.

    There was plans for a new housing estate to be built outside Thurles. However the proposed site for the estate had a ring fort on it. No one wanted to destroy the fort but apparently one machine driver decided to take on the challenge and bull dozed it. He got no luck for it apparently and years of misfortune followed him. Apparently he suffered a massive cardiac arrest, broke his hip, his house went up on fire etc.

    @ OP


  • #46
    Mrs cockett
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    Fairies don't exist. It's fine if you want to believe in them but don't expect anyone to take you seriously.[/QUOTE]

    Ah you don't mean it!


  • #47
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    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Just did a quick look there on Google Earth. 5 forts alone in a half mile radius in this area near Quinn in Co. Clare. The west of Ireland seems to be full of them.

    You missed one at the top, left of the middle of the picture


  • #48
    pedigree 6
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    patsy_mccabe wrote: »
    Just did a quick look there on Google Earth. 5 forts alone in a half mile radius in this area near Quinn in Co. Clare. The west of Ireland seems to be full of them.

    If you look at the old maps. Where I am in wexford there was 10 raths in a half mile radius. What they were, were old farmsteads for people and protection of livestock at night.
    Where this thing of bad luck with them came in I'd say was a rath was where a family or extended family lived. Then back then disease and viruses were common in the population and not treatable like today. I remember hearing of whole households being wiped out by Tb back in the 30's in Ireland. So I assume back in the day that whole families in raths could have been wiped out by Tb or similar and advice was to stay away from these raths.
    Perhaps even the sickness could have been blamed on the fairies as I doubt they knew what plague or Tb was.

    So I doubt then that people would build in an abandoned rath but go and build a new one instead and maybe leave the other one to the "fairies".


  • #49
    Effects
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    Birdnuts wrote: »
    Really?? Have you evidence for that given that most of the monument was below ground??. I have a few famine graves on my place in North Mayo. Maybe if i bulldoze them I'll become a millionaire:rolleyes:


    Personally don't have much time for people that glorify the destruction of the country's heritage.

    It was on a boards post at the time and the calculations were done by boards users. I'd imagine it was a different one as I think the one I'm talking about was a ring fort.


  • #50
    kerry cow
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    My uncle Focked around with a fort , burial ground and old church in mid 70s level the lot into a green modern paddock system .Every one in the family didn't want him to do it but he was blinded at the time with modernisation.
    Later that year both he and the contractor lost their first born children .
    As you get older you become more respectful to these unknown superstitions .
    I have heard of guys getting healers in to clear land of bad energies .any experience out there ?


  • #51
    Curly Judge
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    kerry cow wrote: »
    My uncle Focked around with a fort , burial ground and old church in mid 70s level the lot into a green modern paddock system .Every one in the family didn't want him to do it but he was blinded at the time with modernisation.
    Later that year both he and the contractor lost their first born children .
    As you get older you become more respectful to these unknown superstitions .
    I have heard of guys getting healers in to clear land of bad energies .any experience out there ?

    There is another very strong piseog in our area against anyone making an unwelcome financial or asset acquiring move against a widowed woman or her children.
    Nothing good was said to ever come of it.
    While I don't believe any of it for a moment, I can't help feeling that this too had very good social value, as it helped protect the vulnerable and exposed in society.
    A sort of Celtic Karma?


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  • #52
    Effects
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    kerry cow wrote: »
    Later that year both he and the contractor lost their first born children .
    As you get older you become more respectful to these unknown superstitions .
    I have heard of guys getting healers in to clear land of bad energies .any experience out there ?

    Them losing their children has nothing to do with their actions on the farm.
    Healers can't clear land of bad energies, they can only pretend to so they can make money out of you.


  • #53
    laoch na mona
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    Effects wrote: »
    Them losing their children has nothing to do with their actions on the farm.
    Healers can't clear land of bad energies, they can only pretend to so they can make money out of you.

    wasting money on a healer would be a nice bit of universal justice for a vandal who destroyed a piece of Irish heritage


  • #54
    jimini0
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    My cousin was goin for planning. His fathers land. He picked a site and applied. Got refused because of the roof would break the horizon. Planning officer looked at the map and pointed to a flat area about 200 metres away. My cousin said that's a fairy fort and would never build on or near it. Planner said its not marked on the map and if you want planning its either on that area or nowhere. He was disgusted. He made a complaint but all he was told is that its not marked on the map so build away. He bought a house in the village instead.


  • #55
    jimini0
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    This is the area. You can clearly see the ring.


  • #56
    Effects
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    jimini0 wrote: »
    My cousin said that's a fairy fort and would never build on or near it. He bought a house in the village instead.

    Sounds like your cousin is an idiot.


  • #57
    Curly Judge
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    Effects wrote: »
    Sounds like your cousin is an idiot.

    I don't think his cousin is the idiot in this discussion!


  • #58
    J.O. Farmer
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    Effects wrote: »

    Fairies don't exist. It's fine if you want to believe in them but don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

    Ever see the usual suspects. There's a line where virgil kint says that keaton used to say he didn'tbbelieve in God but that he was afraid of him.
    I think that similar applies to a lot of people when it comes to fairy forts


  • #59
    laoch na mona
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    jimini0 wrote: »
    My cousin was goin for planning. His fathers land. He picked a site and applied. Got refused because of the roof would break the horizon. Planning officer looked at the map and pointed to a flat area about 200 metres away. My cousin said that's a fairy fort and would never build on or near it. Planner said its not marked on the map and if you want planning its either on that area or nowhere. He was disgusted. He made a complaint but all he was told is that its not marked on the map so build away. He bought a house in the village instead.

    he can contact the heritage council and get it marked on future maps


  • #60
    mocmo
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    It is very likely that this site is listed on the Record of Monuments and Places (RMP) and as such is afforded the following protection:

    When the owner or occupier of a property, or any other person proposes to carry out, or to cause, or to permit the carrying out of any work at or in relation to a Recorded Monument or a Registered Monument they are required to give notice in writing to the Minister 2 months before commencing that work. This is to allow the National Monuments Service time consider the proposed works and how best to proceed to further the protection of the monument.

    Any notification of works at or in relation to a Recorded or Registered Monument should be given using this form - Ministerial Notification - Works at/near Monument - and forwarded to nationalmonuments@ahg.gov.ie marked "Notification under the National Monuments Acts 1930-2004".     Source: http://www.archaeology.ie/monument-protection

    All that said, you will not be allowed to build on the site, while sub-surface archaeological sites get discovered and excavated in advance of developments, upstanding known monuments are very rarely disturbed with developments diverted/altered to leave them be.

    You can search for your site here http://webgis.archaeology.ie/historicenvironment/


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  • #61
    Base price
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    Thanks for the link mocmo. Just had a look and there are 12 forts in a 2 miles radius of me including our own one and 2 crannogs.


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