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NBA 2016-17 Preseason News.

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    #122
    Carcharodon
    Registered Users Posts: 3,968 ✭✭✭Carcharodon


    The warriors have automatically become one of the most hated teams in the league now by creating a super team as such. It's a natural reaction and durant will get the usual abuse off social media and ESPN idiots like skip and Steven a, you could write the script.
    The reality is that no one knows what's going to happen with this team, they should win a championship but you can't take any thing for granted as this season showed.
    I never get why people get upset when players move, durant obviously felt this was the best basketball move for him, he spent 8 years at his last job, not many people stay with their employers that long.
    And honestly who wants to live in Oklahoma.


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    #123
    ButtersSuki
    Registered Users Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Carcharodon wrote: »
    The warriors have automatically become one of the most hated teams in the league now by creating a super team as such. It's a natural reaction and durant will get the usual abuse off social media and ESPN idiots like skip and Steven a, you could write the script.
    The reality is that no one knows what's going to happen with this team, they should win a championship but you can't take any thing for granted as this season showed.
    I never get why people get upset when players move, durant obviously felt this was the best basketball move for him, he spent 8 years at his last job, not many people stay with their employers that long.
    And honestly who wants to live in Oklahoma.

    you know lejon is sitting at home right now thinking "how much would they love me in OKC if I took my talents there and delivered them a championship?":pac:


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    #124
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users Posts: 36,261 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    So Knicks rolling with:

    Calderon -> Rose
    Arron Affalo -> Courtney Lee
    Melo -> Melo
    Porzingis -> Porzingis
    Robin Lopez -> Noah

    Likes of Galloway, Grant, Vujacic, O'Quinn and maybe Derrick Williams off the bench.

    Are they better? Maybe a little. If Rose recovers even some of his MVP form and Porzingis progresses like one would hope they could have a look at playoffs. However Lee on books until 34, Melo is already 32, Noah on books until 34 also. Feels like another Melo / Stoudemire type team at best that can sneak a 7 or 8 seed and lose in the first round of the playoffs. Unless Porzingis becomes elite, in which case the supporting cast would be decent and experienced to help make a run in the next couple of years.

    Interesting stuff to be fair - can't wait to see how it plays out. I think the more time Porzingis sees at 5 the better it will be for all concerned.

    Brandon 'Young $$$$' Jennings added for 1 year and 5m. Hell of a stew in Madison Square.


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    #125
    ButtersSuki
    Registered Users Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Brandon 'Young $$$$' Jennings added for 1 year and 5m. Hell of a stew in Madison Square.

    Such a Knicks move....

    I wonder who's the next PG they'll sign?:rolleyes: or will they try and trade for J Smoove so they can reunite him and Jennings?

    Melo won't be happy that there's another black hole on the court. How's he going to get his 30 shots a night now?


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    #126
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users Posts: 36,261 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt
    Told emphatically by league source there's no chance Russell Westbrook will do a renegotiation/extension of his contract (one yr remaining).


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    #127
    McLoughlin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭McLoughlin


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt
    Told emphatically by league source there's no chance Russell Westbrook will do a renegotiation/extension of his contract (one yr remaining).

    If i were OKC I would try and trade him to get something in return like draft picks and some players Hmm Westbrook to Celtics perhaps ?


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    #128
    GoldFour4
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,978 Mod ✭✭✭✭GoldFour4


    McLoughlin wrote: »
    If i were OKC I would try and trade him to get something in return like draft picks and some players Hmm Westbrook to Celtics perhaps ?

    I'd be making calls if I was Ainge certainly. They have the assets to give up for Westbrook. Okc might as well go for assets rather than draft picks. Westbrook is a 30-10-8 kind of guy without Durant and any team with him will certainly be there or thereabouts for the playoffs at a minimum so draft picks won't do a whole lot of good.


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    #129
    Lt Dan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭Lt Dan


    ButtersSuki wrote: »
    I'm not surprised Gasol went to the Spurs. Smart player and a great fit with that franchise.

    I am quite surprised Bogut was ditched though. He's a much bigger part of that team than his numbers indicate. I honestly don't think that would have happened had he not gotten injured in the finals and they won.

    The mavs have made a max offer to Barnes so no way GS will match that now that they have Durant.

    Wow, what has happened at Chicago. ?

    Two seasons ago and at the start of this season NBA were boasting that Chicago had the deepest Front Court in the League. People's admiration for their play off performances in 2013 and 2014 had to be respected. Rose played reasonably well in 2015.

    Noah sadly fell off the face of the earth after injury . Doubt Chicago would be sorry to see either of the three go after last season

    Bogut will be a great assets to many teams if he stays healthy.

    Not sure about Gasol . Not my favorite at all (soft soft soft, screams like a woman if the remotest contact is threatened or made, can't handle contested rebounds, lazy, old, hopeless on defence) Trust Pop to figure something out though. So Timmy has retired , huh? Aldrigde's team now I guess.


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    #130
    Lt Dan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭Lt Dan


    ButtersSuki wrote: »
    you know lejon is sitting at home right now thinking "how much would they love me in OKC if I took my talents there and delivered them a championship?":pac:

    Reasonably doable as well within 2 years. That would be awesome, but, Cavs would kill him.

    Just when people were getting to like (or enjoyed) GSW (hard not to like how they play) now this move for Durant. Despite liking Steve Kerr and the splash brothers, I really want to see Durant fail now (I think he is a good guy but this sucks)

    Delighted with the Al Horford deal to Celtics


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    #131
    ButtersSuki
    Registered Users Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Lt Dan wrote: »
    Wow, what has happened at Chicago. ?

    Two seasons ago and at the start of this season NBA were boasting that Chicago had the deepest Front Court in the League. People's admiration for their play off performances in 2013 and 2014 had to be respected. Rose played reasonably well in 2015.

    Noah sadly fell off the face of the earth after injury . Doubt Chicago would be sorry to see either of the three go after last season

    Bogut will be a great assets to many teams if he stays healthy.

    Not sure about Gasol . Not my favorite at all (soft soft soft, screams like a woman if the remotest contact is threatened or made, can't handle contested rebounds, lazy, old, hopeless on defence) Trust Pop to figure something out though. So Timmy has retired , huh? Aldrigde's team now I guess.

    Jesus that's harsh on Gasol. Way overboard there.


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    #132
    Lt Dan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭Lt Dan


    Carcharodon wrote: »
    The warriors have automatically become one of the most hated teams in the league now by creating a super team as such. It's a natural reaction and durant will get the usual abuse off social media and ESPN idiots like skip and Steven a, you could write the script.
    The reality is that no one knows what's going to happen with this team, they should win a championship but you can't take any thing for granted as this season showed.
    I never get why people get upset when players move, durant obviously felt this was the best basketball move for him, he spent 8 years at his last job, not many people stay with their employers that long.
    And honestly who wants to live in Oklahoma.

    Steven A already started his homily

    Like Soccer in this part of the world, they think some players should forever stay with the one franchise (they don't even call it a club - says it all about the yanks)


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    #133
    Lt Dan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭Lt Dan


    ButtersSuki wrote: »
    Jesus that's harsh on Gasol. Way overboard there.

    I completely stand by it. Watch him next time going to the basket. Listen carefully. Yeah he is a great passer, yeah he can shoot jump shots , but he is old and has always been mentally and physically soft


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    #134
    Kobe248
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 344 ✭✭Kobe248


    Carcharodon wrote: »
    The warriors have automatically become one of the most hated teams in the league now by creating a super team as such. It's a natural reaction and durant will get the usual abuse off social media and ESPN idiots like skip and Steven a, you could write the script.
    The reality is that no one knows what's going to happen with this team, they should win a championship but you can't take any thing for granted as this season showed.
    I never get why people get upset when players move, durant obviously felt this was the best basketball move for him, he spent 8 years at his last job, not many people stay with their employers that long.
    And honestly who wants to live in Oklahoma.

    I dont think he will at all

    Durant is such a nice guy

    Even OKC didnt act out about it

    Like Durant and LBJ arent the same


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    #135
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users Posts: 36,261 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Lt Dan wrote: »
    I completely stand by it. Watch him next time going to the basket. Listen carefully. Yeah he is a great passer, yeah he can shoot jump shots , but he is old and has always been mentally and physically soft

    You're certainly wrong in terms of labeling him "old". Leaving aside his positive overall contribution last year (21.3 PER), he averaged 2.3 Blocks a game and had a Defensive rating per 100 possessions of 102, a number he only bettered once during his first All Star year for Memphis. He is still, at 36, a fairly elite NBA center: to put his defensive numbers in context, Robin Lopez had 1.6 blocks per game and a drtg of 107; Joakim Noah managed 1.0 Blocks per game and had a drtg of 101 when on the court; Dwight Howard was 1.6 blocks and 107 drtg.

    While defense is not his strength, he offers above average rim protection relative to league centers as a group and his offensive production is still very good. And labelling a key contributor to two championship teams "mentally soft" seems a stretch to me. He played well last year - the issue Chicago had were elsewhere on the floor imo.


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    #136
    nerd69
    Registered Users Posts: 9,860 ✭✭✭nerd69


    Lt Dan wrote: »

    Not sure about Gasol . Not my favorite at all (soft soft soft, screams like a woman if the remotest contact is threatened or made, can't handle contested rebounds, lazy, old, hopeless on defence) Trust Pop to figure something out though. So Timmy has retired , huh? Aldrigde's team now I guess.

    Nope Leonard's team guys a borderline MVP at this stage think he came 3rd in voting this year


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    #137
    ButtersSuki
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    Lt Dan wrote: »
    I completely stand by it. Watch him next time going to the basket. Listen carefully. Yeah he is a great passer, yeah he can shoot jump shots , but he is old and has always been mentally and physically soft

    Well you're entitled to your opinion. And you're entitled to be wrong.

    You think a guy as savvy as Pop would sign someone he thinks is soft?

    Best player on court in the 2012 Olympic Final? Gasol.


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    #138
    Lt Dan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭Lt Dan


    ButtersSuki wrote: »
    Well you're entitled to your opinion. And you're entitled to be wrong.

    You think a guy as savvy as Pop would sign someone he thinks is soft?

    Best player on court in the 2012 Olympic Final? Gasol.

    No, you are wrong, y'all!:D

    2012 is not 2016 or 2017 is it?


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    #139
    ButtersSuki
    Registered Users Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Lt Dan wrote: »
    No, you are wrong, y'all!:D

    2012 is not 2016 or 2017 is it?


    I know it is.

    But you're tal;king about him like he's a scrub. He is far from that.


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    #140
    krustydoyle
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    Dirk staying with the Mavericks. 2 year deal for $40


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    #141
    Kobe248
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 344 ✭✭Kobe248


    krustydoyle wrote: »
    Dirk staying with the Mavericks. 2 year deal for $40

    Honestly thought hed come back for peanuts

    Still could have got more

    But thought maybe hed come back for minimum


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    #142
    Lt Dan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭Lt Dan


    ButtersSuki wrote: »
    I know it is.

    But you're tal;king about him like he's a scrub. He is far from that.

    No, he is not a scrub and never was. But he is soft.:D


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    #143
    Lt Dan
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭Lt Dan


    krustydoyle wrote: »
    Dirk staying with the Mavericks. 2 year deal for $40

    Dirk has a job for life there, he is probably right to stay on. Would be surprised if Cuban does not name or have named a street or part of the arena after him , statue etc and ensure that he stays working with Dallas Mavs at some position.


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    #144
    NufcNavan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭NufcNavan


    Lt Dan wrote: »
    No, he is not a scrub and never was. But he is soft.:D

    Yeah. Dude who won back to back rings as the second go to guy is soft.


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    #145
    Carcharodon
    Registered Users Posts: 3,968 ✭✭✭Carcharodon


    Lt Dan wrote: »
    ButtersSuki wrote: »
    I know it is.

    But you're tal;king about him like he's a scrub. He is far from that.

    No, he is not a scrub and never was. But he is soft.:D

    You maybe confusing soft with a high basketball IQ, he was unbelievable when the lakers were winning, was a joy to watch.


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    #146
    ButtersSuki
    Registered Users Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Lt Dan wrote: »
    No, he is not a scrub and never was. But he is soft.:D


    If you're defining soft as not built like Lebron or plays the post like Boogie Cousins then yeah, he is.

    But there's much more to the game than that. He is such a smart player. Durant aside (and maybe Horford given his youth) it's hard to think of a better available 4 to match San An + Pop for next year.


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    #147
    NufcNavan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭NufcNavan


    As I predicted, D West to the Warriors for the vet minimum.


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    #148
    ButtersSuki
    Registered Users Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    NufcNavan wrote: »
    As I predicted, D West to the Warriors for the vet minimum.

    Good for him. You have to admire the guy for chasing a ring more than cash.


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    #149
    Kobe248
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 344 ✭✭Kobe248


    ButtersSuki wrote: »
    Good for him. You have to admire the guy for chasing a ring more than cash.

    Mad respect for guys like that

    He must have lost about 20 million chasing in the last 2 years


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    #150
    LuckyLloyd
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    David West and Zaza Pachulia are really savage pickups to round off the roster. Not seeing where this is going to be competitive.


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    #151
    NufcNavan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭NufcNavan


    David West is slow now but he was one of my favourite players at Indiana. He is bad ass.


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