NBA 2016-17 Preseason News.

ButtersSuki

In the first WTF moment of the summer, si.com reports Warriors considering hiring Mike Brown.

The Golden State Warriors are expected to hire Mike Brown to replace assistant Luke Walton, who recently left to coach the Los Angeles Lakers, reports Marc Stein of ESPN.
Brown and former Sacramento Kings interim coach Tyrone Corbin reportedly appeared to be the top-two targets for the position during the finals.
Corbin was hired as an assistant on Earl Watson’s staff with the Phoenix Suns, leaving Brown as the favorite to join Steve Kerr’s staff.
Brown has previously served as the head coach with the Cleveland Cavaliers for two separate stints, and with the Lakers. He has a career record of 347–216.

Mike Brown is a joke, that's a serious backwards move for them if they do that. His analysis on TV is appalling - you'd see more sense on here at times - and that's saying something.

KD is interviewing teams from this Friday in NY. In the mix at the moment are OKC, Boston, NY (:rolleyes:), GS, Miami, the Clippers and the Spurs. Decision by July 9th apparently.

Paully D

The NBA coaching carousel is just ridiculous. The same old bland, boring, failed coaches getting gig, after gig, after gig over and over again.

I said it before on here but there's a handful of elite coaches in the league, a very small handful of young, promising head coaches, and everyone else falls into the above of being proven failures.

If I can't get one of the elite, I'm looking outside the box and going abroad or to college.

Kobe248

Paully D wrote: »

The NBA coaching carousel is just ridiculous. The same old bland, boring, failed coaches getting gig, after gig, after gig over and over again.

I said it before on here but there's a handful of elite coaches in the league, a very small handful of young, promising head coaches, and everyone else falls into the above of being proven failures.

If I can't get one of the elite, I'm looking outside the box and going abroad or to college.

For the life of me

Id rather take a chance with a coach from college than proven failure

Whats the worst that could happen, they get a lottery pick

Look what Boston did, surely thats the way to go

ButtersSuki

Of all people though, Mike Brown. The guy is just a fraud, thinks he can smile his way out of every situation. I wouldn't trust him with a pair of scissors, let alone an elite basketball team.

I'd go for Shaka Smart myself. Or Blatt (seriously - he got screwed by LeJon). Or steal Messina from the Spurs.

ButtersSuki

Gasol declines final year of contract from Chicago and opts for Free Agency. No real shock there.

ButtersSuki

Wade open to offers as talks with Miami stall.

ButtersSuki

Boston meeting with Dwight Howard. As a C's fan, I'm praying this does not happen.

Kobe248

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Wade open to offers as talks with Miami stall.

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Boston meeting with Dwight Howard. As a C's fan, I'm praying this does not happen.

Wade is just playing Miami

Hes done it before

Dwight would be a good signing for Celtics imo

They pretty similar to Magic from back in the day

ButtersSuki

Kobe248 wrote: »

Wade is just playing Miami

Hes done it before

Dwight would be a good signing for Celtics imo

They pretty similar to Magic from back in the day

Normally i'd agree Wade isn't going anywhere, and I think it's likely he won't, but there's a chance he could sign a 1 year deal with the Cavs and rejoin LeJon.

On Howard, just no. He's a shadow of what he was, but the problem with him isn't on the court, it's everything else he brings.

Kobe248

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Normally i'd agree Wade isn't going anywhere, and I think it's likely he won't, but there's a chance he could sign a 1 year deal with the Cavs and rejoin LeJon.

On Howard, just no. He's a shadow of what he was, but the problem with him isn't on the court, it's everything else he brings.

I dunno I see a resurgence in Dwight

Houston was a terrible fit for him

ButtersSuki

Kobe248 wrote: »

I dunno I see a resurgence in Dwight

Houston was a terrible fit for him

Agree the fit was bad but he's behaved like a child for 4 seasons now, 1 in LA and 3 in Houston. More actually if you count the last year(s) in Orlando. It's his attitude that's the problem. He's a coach killer, a poor team mate and "soft". He wants to be liked more than he wants to win.

Kobe248

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Agree the fit was bad but he's behaved like a child for 4 seasons now, 1 in LA and 3 in Houston. More actually if you count the last year(s) in Orlando. It's his attitude that's the problem. He's a coach killer, a poor team mate and "soft". He wants to be liked more than he wants to win.

Agree

Still think next year he will be back as a all star

Harden is a team mate killer for me

And Im Kobe biggest fan but he's not easy to deal with from a mega star's pof

Pau is the only one who has been able to stick with him

limerickfc

Some crazy money being thrown around in the first few hours, that kanter contract isn't looking so bad now

ButtersSuki

limerickfc wrote: »

Some crazy money being thrown around in the first few hours, that kanter contract isn't looking so bad now

New salary cap.

If you think it's bad this year, wait until next....when it rises again but way more dramatically.

LuckyLloyd

Mozgov 65 / 4 is outrageous. Wtf
Looking like 72 / 4 for Noah too. Ridiculous stuff for washed up big men.

NufcNavan

At this rate, I just hope the Pacers don't sign anyone. Wait it out 3 years when every team is broke paying bench players 20 million a year, then do something.

ButtersSuki

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Mozgov 65 / 4 is outrageous. Wtf
Looking like 72 / 4 for Noah too. Ridiculous stuff for washed up big men.

It is, but that's the market........


Same as Premiership soccer players getting stupid money for being average, whilst better players in Serie A, Bundesliga, La Liga etc. are on less (not saying any of those guys will go broke now btw!).

It's going to be worse next year btw. Cleveland are reportedly angling to pay he whose name shall not be mentioned €205m over 5 years.

ButtersSuki

You'll have a lot of teams who will WAY overpay guys and tie them down to multi-year massive contracts in the next few years. There will be panic buying this year and next as teams will fear being caught up in the value market. Whilst paying a guy like Mosgov €16m+ a year now seems crazy, in 3 years €16m will be a middle of the road contract and guys will be buying guys just to dump contracts at that price.

What tends to happen in situations like this is the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer - even in salary cap situations.

LuckyLloyd

I kind of liked what the Knicks did with the Rose trade as it gave them a shot to nothing: either Rose worked out brilliantly and they could be in prime position to hold onto him or he plays like he has been doing and they release him with a ton of cap room for next year. Sacrificing Lopez and clearing Calderon was a reasonable price to pay.

But investing $72m in Noah is just terrible in my view. While he was an elite rim protector between 2010 and 2014 he's been decidedly average in his 96 games over the past two years. Guaranteeing that fourth year makes the deal particularly terrible too. I can just see it being dead cap commitment by that stage. Like what are they even trying to do here? The Rose deal looked like clearing the way to undertake a rebuild next year. But if they're actually thinking of trying to win with Melo / Rose / Noah they're insane.

NufcNavan

DeMar DeRozan's and Bradley Beal's new deals are more than Jordan, Bird, and Magic made in their entire careers. Combined.

minimum wage has gone up like 30 cents in that time, just for some perspective.

ButtersSuki

We're going to see a lot of this:
Al Jefferson: 16.7 career PPG, $10M next year
Timofey Mozgov: 6.9 career PPG $16M next year

PLUS....OJ MAYO just got a 2 year ban from the league for drug violation......of the performance enhancing rather than recreational kind.

ButtersSuki

Beal $128M
DeRozan $139M
Drummond $130M


:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

ButtersSuki

Batum $120M

NufcNavan

10 mill a year isn't bad for Al to be fair. It's a good move by the Pacers.

Jeremy Lin and Ish Smith have been the best value deals done so far.

Kobe248

From a Lakers point of view

Im not to disheartened with Mosgov deal

We got Clarkson on a reasonable deal aswell

Anyways Mosgov will fill a big gap for us

Hibbert just couldnt protect the paint with Randle

Mosgov should

Its a deal that in 2 years will be easy to move aswell

Like were not getting any of the top tier players

This is a stepping stone signing and a good one for me

NufcNavan

Evan Turner got 4/75mil, that might actually be worst.

LuckyLloyd

Kobe248 wrote: »

From a Lakers point of view

Im not to disheartened with Mosgov deal

We got Clarkson on a reasonable deal aswell

Anyways Mosgov will fill a big gap for us

Hibbert just couldnt protect the paint with Randle

Mosgov should

Its a deal that in 2 years will be easy to move aswell

Like were not getting any of the top tier players

This is a stepping stone signing and a good one for me

You probably should be though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oLxRm0yBeI

Mozgov was good in the 2015 playoffs and in stretches for Denver. But at the backend of this season he was frankly off an NBA standard, and wasn't getting minutes in the playoffs for good reason. IF he is healthy and playing his best stuff he would represent an upgrade on Hibbert of 2016. Will be an expensive bench player if not...

ButtersSuki

My head hurts reading this stuff.

ButtersSuki

Interesting.......:rolleyes:

ButtersSuki

Evan Turner to Portland for $70M over 4 years. He made $4M this year.

That's a hole for Boston to fill now, and as much as I want it to happen I don't think KD will be filling it.

LuckyLloyd

Not surprised to see that tbh. Hibbert looks worse because he's more exposed when on the floor, but it was clear all the same that Mozgov had dropped off considerably.

LuckyLloyd

Mike Conley contract 5 years $153M.

Lebron James career 13 years $149M.

Kobe248

I wont hold Cleveland against Mosgov

He didnt suit there style

I see him playing more akin to Bogut at GSW

Now sure he can pass as well as Bogut mind

ButtersSuki

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Mike Conley contract 5 years $153M.

Lebron James career 13 years $149M.

It's the market.

Janes next contract is rumoured to be $205m over 5 years. He ain't broke. And he makes more money off court than on. He could play for free and still be one of the highest earning sportsmen such is the value of the off court endorsements.

LuckyLloyd

ButtersSuki wrote: »

It's the market.

Janes next contract is rumoured to be $205m over 5 years. He ain't broke. And he makes more money off court than on. He could play for free and still be one of the highest earning sportsmen such is the value of the off court endorsements.

I understand all that - I think it serves to illustrate the significant inflation of player salaries though.

LuckyLloyd

Kobe248 wrote: »

I wont hold Cleveland against Mosgov

He didnt suit there style

I see him playing more akin to Bogut at GSW

Now sure he can pass as well as Bogut mind

He's a much worse passer than Hibbert statistically speaking.

Bulls being linked with any moves?

LuckyLloyd

More I think about it the more I love Dwight Howard deal for 3 / 70. Only three years, and worth rolling the dice that he rolls back the clock a little bit. Atlanta have had a similar team for a few years and it isn't good enough. Rolling the dice a bit in that context makes a ton of sense.

LuckyLloyd

Deleted User wrote: »

Bulls being linked with any moves?

http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-bulls/nba-free-agency-tracker-latest-bulls

rumour mill here for you to get your teeth into. Rondo might make some sense I guess.

LuckyLloyd

Luol Deng to Lakers for 4 / 72. Supplementing the acquisition of washed up 29 year old Mozgov with the average performing 31 year old Luol Deng both on four year deals seems...what the **** are the Lakers doing?

EDIT: apparently fourth year in both cases are Team options. So less stupid I guess. I'd really prefer 2 / 38 or 2 / 44 type deals respectively. Feels like these deals reduce the chances of the Lakers supplementing big FA acquisitions to their young core over the coming couple of years and I'm not seeing Deng / Mozgov producing many wins.

NufcNavan

Hibbert isn't a bad C. He just lacks the mobility for an ever changing NBA that is getting smaller and more spread around the floor.

I think he has another decent stint in him in a team that isn't a complete joke and utilises him properly.

Kobe248

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Luol Deng to Lakers for 4 / 72. Supplementing the acquisition of washed up 29 year old Mozgov with the average performing 31 year old Luol Deng both on four year deals seems...what the **** are the Lakers doing?

EDIT: apparently fourth year in both cases are Team options. So less stupid I guess. I'd really prefer 2 / 38 or 2 / 44 type deals respectively. Feels like these deals reduce the chances of the Lakers supplementing big FA acquisitions to their young core over the coming couple of years and I'm not seeing Deng / Mozgov producing many wins.

I dont think either move is that bad

I see us going for a trade

Something along the lines of Ingram and Randle for Cousins

ButtersSuki

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I understand all that - I think it serves to illustrate the significant inflation of player salaries though.

Yup, as noted by the increased cap this year and another increase next year. If you think this year is bad, wait until next year.

NufcNavan

The Deng move isn't bad. The Lakers need a vet and Deng looked good towards the end of the season.

The Mozgov deal is terrible but big men tend to get overpaid as a rule.

There is zero chance Deng lasts 4 years though.

ButtersSuki

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

More I think about it the more I love Dwight Howard deal for 3 / 70. Only three years, and worth rolling the dice that he rolls back the clock a little bit. Atlanta have had a similar team for a few years and it isn't good enough. Rolling the dice a bit in that context makes a ton of sense.

If your baseline is the Mosgov deal then sure, it's value. It's the impact he has on the rest of the team and his attitude that id be worried about.

Paully D

Deleted User wrote: »

Bulls being linked with any moves?

Same as always, we'll do nothing of real note in free agency. There's not much we can realistically do this year in terms of a big signing I know, but it's so annoying that we haven't made a top acquisition in free agency for over a decade (Wallace in 2006 which ended up being a disaster). Anthony a couple of seasons ago the closest we have come of course.

LuckyLloyd

Kobe248 wrote: »

I dont think either move is that bad

I see us going for a trade

Something along the lines of Ingram and Randle for Cousins

Do you see the Lakers improving much from 17 wins?

Kobe248

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Do you see the Lakers improving much from 17 wins?

Yes

Its the start of the free agency

Our team is already better

I see a big trade around christmas

Walton doesnt need to do a lot to be a improvement on the other clown

Im very happy with Deng, the perfect pro

Mosgov will be the anchor we need, overpaid well if he got it 2 years ago yes, but this offseason no, 2 years it will be the average

If Durant leaves, I think the Lakers go after Westbrook with a Russell/Randle package

NufcNavan

Kobe248 wrote: »

If Durant leaves, I think the Lakers go after Westbrook with a Russell/Randle package

LOL

LuckyLloyd

I salute your confidence.

Kobe248

NufcNavan wrote: »

LOL

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

I salute your confidence.

A similar package got Kevin Love

Westbrook to LA would be one of the least shocking trades this season

As I said, wait till Durant decides where hes at

If he goes to GSW/Clippers/Spurs

OKC will trade Westbrook