Starbucks opening in Waterford

iphonehead

Anybody hear when Starbucks is opening folks? Signs gone up - can't be long?

Wanderer2010

Another coffee shop, exactly what Waterford needs. We really are scarce on coffee shops..

iphonehead

I totally appreciate your point of view, and yes I agree with you to a point, but two things I see as a positive (1) - its a major international brand coming to Waterford, and maybe - just maybe - it might play a small part in another brand thinking about coming, so it can only be good from that point of view and (2) I love their coffee

lertsnim

iphonehead wrote: »

and maybe - just maybe - it might play a small part in another brand thinking about coming

You're right. McDonalds went there and look at all the international brands that attracted.

iphonehead

Thats what I love about Waterford - theres rain in every rainbow. Nice one lads, I'll keep my questions to myself from now on.

allthedoyles

Are these the guys that write your name on cup of coffee and then shout out your name to everyone in the room when coffee is ready .
Then charge you €4.65 for the privilage

Max Powers

allthedoyles wrote: »

Are these the guys that write your name on cup of coffee and then shout out your name to everyone in the room when coffee is ready .
Then charge you €4.65 for the privilage

You stick to the nescafe then.

Max Powers

iphonehead wrote: »

Thats what I love about Waterford - theres rain in every rainbow. Nice one lads, I'll keep my questions to myself from now on.

Please do and the pontificating thinking you are the only enlightened person here.

iphonehead

Max Powers wrote: »

Please do and the pontificating thinking you are the only enlightened person here.

God I'm far from enlightened, I only asked a question did anybody know when it was open and then mentioned why I thought it would be good for the town. I just think we can be very negative at times, its great to see new stores coming - especially brands. Sorry if I caused offence to anybody. Over and out.

Hoffmans

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Another coffee shop, exactly what Waterford needs. We really are scarce on coffee shops..

8 in the square and surrounds now ,kiosc has the best beans

lertsnim

iphonehead wrote: »

Thats what I love about Waterford - theres rain in every rainbow. Nice one lads, I'll keep my questions to myself from now on.

Lighten up will you.

callaway92

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Another coffee shop, exactly what Waterford needs. We really are scarce on coffee shops..

Just on this. I know there's post after this berating you but you're kinda spot on. What is a coffee shop really going to do for the area? The place is full of them at this stage. Even worse that it's a chain.

The town needs more than coffee shops to be honest. To put it bluntly, Starbucks literally does nothing to improve the town other than the 10+ jobs it creates for min wage.

iseegirls

callaway92 wrote: »

Just on this. I know there's post after this berating you but you're kinda spot on. What is a coffee shop really going to do for the area? The place is full of them at this stage. Even worse that it's a chain.

The town needs more than coffee shops to be honest. To put it bluntly, Starbucks literally does nothing to improve the town other than the 10+ jobs it creates for min wage.

It is still way better than having an empty unit, they'll be paying rates to Council, there'll be few more people with jobs, free wifi, more choice for people who like coffee along with all their ice coolers etc. Coffee shops are thriving, unsure when they'll hit a certain peak. When Insomnia opened, did that affect the other coffee shops? Hasn't shown anyway, as all are still open. These places are ideal for people to meet and socialise. Would be great if they have longer opening hours into the evening, and giving some life to that part of the town, as when all the shops close at 6, it's pretty eerie.

Regarding the unit - it is an awkward size, spread out over 3 floors. Not ideal for buggys and wheelchair users (can't remember if a lift is in there). Toymaster just didn't work in there - especially when you compare it to the size of Smyths on the Tramore Road. A clothes shop wouldn't work, as there is hardly any space for changing rooms.

Max Powers

callaway92 wrote: »

Just on this. I know there's post after this berating you but you're kinda spot on. What is a coffee shop really going to do for the area? The place is full of them at this stage. Even worse that it's a chain.

The town needs more than coffee shops to be honest. To put it bluntly, Starbucks literally does nothing to improve the town other than the 10+ jobs it creates for min wage.

A new shop opens, people are happy to see it, NOBODY thinks its some sort of massive event but happy to see empty unit filled and a few extra jobs.comments like we need other stuff beside coffee shops is so blindingly obvious that it seems to me that it doesn't need to be said yet people post it dragging a positive (not massive) story into negative.just smacks of spreading misery to me.

callaway92

Max Powers wrote: »

A new shop opens, people are happy to see it, NOBODY thinks its some sort of massive event but happy to see empty unit filled and a few extra jobs.comments like we need other stuff beside coffee shops is so blindingly obvious that it seems to me that it doesn't need to be said yet people post it dragging a positive (not massive) story into negative.just smacks of spreading misery to me.

Bit harsh. I genuinely believe though that just another chain of Coffee Shop does nothing for Waterford right now.

lertsnim

It's always the way. Show no enthusiasm for a shop opening and you are branded a misery and doom and gloom merchant.

Max Powers

callaway92 wrote: »

Bit harsh. I genuinely believe though that just another chain of Coffee Shop does nothing for Waterford right now.

We need all the jobs and city activity/retail we can get.Might be bit harsh, apologies calloway,but there have been numerous negatives posted by people on this thread and i just feel Starbucks opening is a case of 'good stuff, move on'.
I'm not even a fan off these chains but happy to see it all the same,I can look at it when I get my coffee from the arch.

Max Powers

lertsnim wrote: »

It's always the way. Show no enthusiasm for a shop opening and you are branded a misery and doom and gloom merchant.

You're confusing lack of enthusiasm with negativity.

lertsnim

It's you that's confused.

JohnC.

Look at the difference between this and that makeup shop thread. There's loads of shops selling makeup too, and it's something bought online easier than a hot cup of coffee, but it's welcomed, whereas there's people complaining about this.

Jamie2k9

JohnC. wrote: »

Look at the difference between this and that makeup shop thread. There's loads of shops selling makeup too, and it's something bought online easier than a hot cup of coffee, but it's welcomed, whereas there's people complaining about this.

Waterford people love to moan, well some of the city folk do.

The difference between this coffee shop and a independent one is it won;t close down in a few months like many non branded ones.

Max Powers

lertsnim wrote: »

It's you that's confused.

Couldn't possibly respond to that witty retort...

lertsnim

Max Powers wrote: »

Couldn't possibly respond to that witty retort...

Not witty at all but I am glad you won't be responding to me anymore.

MRnotlob606

I can see how Starbucks will have a positive effect on the local economy. Starbucks is the biggest name in the Coffee world. People will actually travel far enough just to have a coffee from this new outlet.

Waterford needs a fair share of world renowned franchises to attract customers. Hence if Witherspoons goes ahead that will also be beneficial for the local economy imo.

BBM77

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

I can see how Starbucks will have a positive effect on the local economy. Starbucks is the biggest name in the Coffee world. People will actually travel far enough just to have a coffee from this new outlet.

Waterford needs a fair share of world renowned franchises to attract customers. Hence if Witherspoons goes ahead that will also be beneficial for the local economy imo.

Absolutely. The big names have the marketing budget to attract people from far and wide to their stores. This provides a better environment for small independent stores to open and survive. As they say a rising tide lifts all boats. It has been the lack of big names and tourist attractions that has hindered the city centres development over the last few decades. Thankfully in terms of tourist attractions this has improved greatly over the last five years or so, retail is going through this process now with the likes of the Newgate centre and the City Square revamp.

Wanderer78

BBM77 wrote:

Absolutely. The big names have the marketing budget to attract people from far and wide to their stores. This provides a better environment for small independent stores to open and survive. As they say a rising tide lifts all boats. It has been the lack of big names and tourist attractions that has hindered the city centres development over the last few decades. Thankfully in terms of tourist attractions this has improved greatly over the last five years or so, retail is going through this process now with the likes of the Newgate centre and the City Square revamp.

This economic theory isn't always true I'm afraid, as it comes from free-market economics, which has a serious dark side that can cause extremely complex social-economic problems. As I say this rising tide had a tendency to turn into a tsunami and crush some economies.

BBM77

Wanderer78 wrote: »

This economic theory isn't always true I'm afraid, as it comes from free-market economics, which has a serious dark side that can cause extremely complex social-economic problems. As I say this rising tide had a tendency to turn into a tsunami and crush some economies.

What are the “extremely complex social-economic problems” that could be caused by Waterford having more big name retailers?

Wanderer78

BBM77 wrote: »

What are the “extremely complex social-economic problems” that could be caused by Waterford having more big name retailers?

this is a very complex subject matter, ive been researching it intensely for some time now. some believe that free market economics is actually causing a trickle up effect, id have to agree with these people to some degree. michael hudson explains very well how the fire sector(finance, insurance and real estate) is causing this trickle up. ha-joon chang also explains how free market economics can cause great damage to economies particular to developing countries but also to developed countries such as ours.

michael hudson explains how the fire sector is a parasite on society, sucking wealth away from the vast majority of society, up to the higher tiers of our social and finical systems, ie. to the rentier classes. again id have to agree with him but i would go a step further. i believe that large corporations are also a part of this parasitic system, sucking wealth away from the vast majority of society largely by evading and avoiding taxes globally. the wealth created by these corporations is ending up in tax havens, so not only are we preventing ourselves from gaining much needed taxes to run our public services etc, we re also preventing other countries from doing so to.

i believe we have created extremely complex economic and financial systems that are not fit for purpose for the vast majority if not all humans. we believe or are being made to believe, that consumption is the root to happiness. this is not necessarily true. as we consume, we generally accumulate debts, and this is where the real problem begins, as we all know what its like to try service debts, particular large debts such as mortgages etc. increasing consumption is also causing serious and sometimes irreversible environmental damage globally.

the only problem is, theres no real solution to these complex issues, but we cannot keep following this path. free market economics is not the solution, as it causes and exasperates serious complex issues outlined above. i think free market economics is very short term thinking. a poster previous said, companies such as starbucks have a tenancy to drive smaller players out of the market, this is a very common problem with free market economics. it ultimately ends up with large cartels controlling markets and dictating economic policies in a region or a country.

im quiet concerned about irelands approach to economics, ie. we are a very open economy and susceptible to serious global economic and finical shocks, hence why im a believer in things such a public banking etc. we need to protect ourselves from such future shocks.

kayaksurfbum

Wanderer78 wrote: »

this is a very complex subject matter, ive been researching it intensely for some time now. some believe that free market economics is actually causing a trickle up effect, id have to agree with these people to some degree. michael hudson explains very well how the fire sector(finance, insurance and real estate) is causing this trickle up. ha-joon chang also explains how free market economics can cause great damage to economies particular to developing countries but also to developed countries such as ours.

michael hudson explains how the fire sector is a parasite on society, sucking wealth away from the vast majority of society, up to the higher tiers of our social and finical systems, ie. to the rentier classes. again id have to agree with him but i would go a step further. i believe that large corporations are also a part of this parasitic system, sucking wealth away from the vast majority of society largely by evading and avoiding taxes globally. the wealth created by these corporations is ending up in tax havens, so not only are we preventing ourselves from gaining much needed taxes to run our public services etc, we re also preventing other countries from doing so to.

i believe we have created extremely complex economic and financial systems that are not fit for purpose for the vast majority if not all humans. we believe or are being made to believe, that consumption is the root to happiness. this is not necessarily true. as we consume, we generally accumulate debts, and this is where the real problem begins, as we all know what its like to try service debts, particular large debts such as mortgages etc. increasing consumption is also causing serious and sometimes irreversible environmental damage globally.

the only problem is, theres no real solution to these complex issues, but we cannot keep following this path. free market economics is not the solution, as it causes and exasperates serious complex issues outlined above. i think free market economics is very short term thinking. a poster previous said, companies such as starbucks have a tenancy to drive smaller players out of the market, this is a very common problem with free market economics. it ultimately ends up with large cartels controlling markets and dictating economic policies in a region or a country.

im quiet concerned about irelands approach to economics, ie. we are a very open economy and susceptible to serious global economic and finical shocks, hence why im a believer in things such a public banking etc. we need to protect ourselves from such future shocks.

Thats actually not complex at all. You just descrided a capitalist system. If you want a totally fair economy they your looking at communism. Look how well that worked out!

Max Powers

Whatever people say,I think they are over complicating it IMO,...people want these shops, brands, etc and there ain't much you can do to change their minds probably.I think we are far from the grafton street, completely devoid of character here.