Match thread - Ulster v Leinster, RavenSpan, 15:00, Sky Sports 1

A-Train

I don't know why Ulster fans give out about Clancy he is giving them everything today! Farce of a penalty try call, well covered, pienaar made a meal of that as well,

Podge_irl

LeinsterDub wrote: »

No way is it a penalty try. It's likely a try but no highly probably

I'm not even sure I'd go as far as likely to be honest. Remove Kearney and it's still a footrace with McGrath and a possibly a bouncing ball.

Bloody dim though.

Swan Curry

Christ, can we stop accusing players of 'milking penalties' every time the medics come on to the pitch?

Quint2010

Yellow card but not a penaltry. Clancy is an awful ref

blackcard

Yellow card all day, never a penalty try

Hagz

Clancy is now a great ref in Awec's book.

former total

A-Train wrote: »

I don't know why Ulster fans give out about Clancy he is giving them everything today! Farce of a penalty try call, well covered, pienaar made a meal of that as well,

Because they give out about every ref. All of them.

RedemptionZ

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Does he even have a chance of beating it to the dead ball line?

Extremely slim. And that's assuming he doesn't knock it on or take the ball out of play

rsh118

I get the penalty try decision to be honest. Forces full-backs to try and make tackles rather than take the 10 and prevent the try. Strong signal to cynicism.

Crimsonforce

Whens the booing kicking in? Havent heard much so far

rsh118

former total wrote: »

A-Train wrote: »

I don't know why Ulster fans give out about Clancy he is giving them everything today! Farce of a penalty try call, well covered, pienaar made a meal of that as well,

Because they give out about every ref. All of them.

Nah, we love Nigel. As longed he gives us all the decisions. Though obviously we aren't quite as enlightened as Leinster fans when it comes to see the ref's point of view in all circumstances

A-Train

former total wrote: »

Because they give out about every ref. All of them.

Haha fair enough, I thought Clancy got more then most but I think you're correct!

sydthebeat

RK continues his pretty meh season. no need to do what he did and fully deserving of the pen and as a FB he should know that a decision like that always runs the risk of a pen try.

Podge_irl

rsh118 wrote: »

I get the penalty try decision to be honest. Forces full-backs to try and make tackles rather than take the 10 and prevent the try. Strong signal to cynicism.

The laws around the penalty are fairly clear though. A try would have to have probably been scored apart from the infringement and there is no way you can say that about this.

Also "taking the 10" and giving away a penalty in front of the posts to avoid a try is a questionable strategy at best anyway.

RedemptionZ

rsh118 wrote: »

I get the penalty try decision to be honest. Forces full-backs to try and make tackles rather than take the 10 and prevent the try. Strong signal to cynicism.

That only acts as a deterrent when it's consistently enforced, which it isn't. Normally that's a yellow and a penalty

rsh118

Podge_irl wrote: »

rsh118 wrote: »

I get the penalty try decision to be honest. Forces full-backs to try and make tackles rather than take the 10 and prevent the try. Strong signal to cynicism.

The laws around the penalty are fairly clear though. A try would have to have probably been scored apart from the infringement and there is no way you can say that about this.

Also "taking the 10" and giving away a penalty in front of the posts to avoid a try is a questionable strategy at best anyway.

It's questionable, but lots of FBs consider 3 to be less than 7. Anyway, St. Ruan would almost certainly have scored because he is St. Ruan so it's academic at this stage!

corny

Podge_irl wrote: »

The laws around the penalty are fairly clear though. A try would have to have probably been scored apart from the infringement and there is no way you can say that about this.

Also "taking the 10" and giving away a penalty in front of the posts to avoid a try is a questionable strategy at best anyway.

Genuine question because i'm not 100% but does the law not require the ref to be certain (not probable) a try would be scored?

irishbucsfan

George "Don't worry if the player has the ball I'll let you tackle him because I'm sound" Clancy

CMOTDibbler

Podge_irl wrote: »

The laws around the penalty are fairly clear though. A try would have to have probably been scored apart from the infringement and there is no way you can say that about this.

Also "taking the 10" and giving away a penalty in front of the posts to avoid a try is a questionable strategy at best anyway.

Yep, I doubt that was his intention. He got caught in no man's land and decided on a tight turn to chase Pienaar and left the shoulder in to make sure. It didn't look innocent Rob. You need to try harder

blackcard

rsh118 wrote: »

I get the penalty try decision to be honest. Forces full-backs to try and make tackles rather than take the 10 and prevent the try. Strong signal to cynicism.

But it is not up to the referee to decide to give a penalty try for cynical play. It has to be for preventing a definite try

A-Train

Clancy has woke up since he gave the yellow card, pinging Ulster for things he was letting them away with for the previous 20 minutes!

Bazzo

Braindead from Reidy, ruined Scholes' excellent tackle.

sheep?

Won the yellow card 0-3, that's a plus.

CMOTDibbler

A-Train wrote: »

Clancy has woke up since he gave the yellow card, pinging Ulster for things he was letting them away with for the previous 20 minutes!

That should please the Ulster supporters. They don't like refs going off script.

rsh118

Reidy needs a slap on the backside for that one, Scholes did so much and it was hardly red-zone stuff. Wally!

Bazzo

corny wrote: »

Genuine question because i'm not 100% but does the law not require the ref to be certain (not probable) a try would be scored?

The wording is probable, you can pretty much never be certain a try will be scored.

irishbucsfan

A-Train wrote: »

Clancy has woke up since he gave the yellow card, pinging Ulster for things he was letting them away with for the previous 20 minutes!

The drugs are wearing off, Ethel needs to make sure he takes his half-time cup of Ravenhill brand tea

Swan Curry

feet so quick he even fools himself

Clegg

Ulster giving away a lot of penalties now.

irishbucsfan

Is that lineout expert Stuart Barnes telling us which arm to use at the lineout?