Census.

Lia_lia

I haven't a notion when my (rented) house was built. No idea what to put down. I know it was knocked and rebuilt about 10 years ago, but I think it must be the original date it was built..

Ted_YNWA

We were talking about should you fill in whichever ever option takes up most time, but went with filling in for both.

Duckworth_Luas

DivingDuck wrote: »

What I'm reading from this (please correct me if I'm wrong-- I'd love to be) is that the census enumerator is going to be reading all of the forms to check they're correctly answered?

Does anyone else feel this is slightly inappropriate?

The census enumerator does not care what you put on your form. They don't read them. They're lives are too short.

Broken Hearted Road

ToddyDoody wrote: »

I put down broadband for this. It's broadband speed if it's 3 / 4G

I have a 4G phone but sometimes connection to the Internet is just awful. It's been acting up a lot lately.

DivingDuck

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

The census enumerator does not care what you put on your form. They don't read them. They're lives are too short.

While this may be true of most, I don't think anyone cay say "they don't", because they are, like workers in any other job, a diverse group of people with different interests, time commitments, and levels of morality.

I would object far less to this whole process if the forms were sealed upon completion and only opened en masse at the CSO. They manage this with the Leaving Cert --which by definition contains only information taught daily to children in schools-- as opposed to private, identifiable information which could be used for all sorts of purposes.

Imagine if the local criminals managed to find out what time everyone left for work on the morning? Or the local religious nut got hold of everyone's religion data? Or perhaps people would simply like to protect information about members of their family with intellectual disabilities or psychological conditions?

We already know that it isn't anonymous or optional. Now it's no longer confidential, either?

Duckworth_Luas

DivingDuck wrote: »

While this may be true of most, I don't think anyone cay say "they don't", because they are, like workers in any other job, a diverse group of people with different interests, time commitments, and levels of morality.

I would object far less to this whole process if the forms were sealed upon completion and only opened en masse at the CSO. They manage this with the Leaving Cert --which by definition contains only information taught daily to children in schools-- as opposed to private, identifiable information which could be used for all sorts of purposes.

Imagine if the local criminals managed to find out what time everyone left for work on the morning? Or the local religious nut got hold of everyone's religion data? Or perhaps people would simply like to protect information about members of their family with intellectual disabilities or psychological conditions?

We already know that it isn't anonymous or optional. Now it's no longer confidential, either?

This is the kind of nut-job lunacy the enumerators have to put up with

Firefox11

murpho999 wrote: »

Can't understand in this day and age why the form can't be completed online. Would be so much easier.

I suppose it's for those who ticked no to the 'Does your household have access to the Internet?' question. :pac:

Specialun

Why isnt there a section for my dog

Doesnt she matter

Fcuk you FG

DivingDuck

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

This is the kind of nut-job lunacy the enumerators have to put up with

I haven't said one unpleasant word to my enumerator, nor do I intend to: I will hand in my form as I am legally required to do, and without comment. After all, I know nothing about the person collecting it, who may be a fine, upstanding citizen whose daily conduct would put my own to shame and is only trying to make a few extra bob and do their civic duty.

Equally, they could be the worst possible kind of predator who applied for this position purely to obtain information on a grand scale as it seems there are no procedures in place to prevent them from doing so.

Most likely, they are somewhere in between: a regular joe who might have a nosy if they felt like it but would probably forget each and every one of my responses before they went to bed that night.

The point is, I do not know which of these cases apply, yet I have no choice but to hand over my information to them.

If you're not uncomfortable with that, then I am very happy for you. If you can't see why others might be uncomfortable with that, yours is the attitude which is the problem.

cherryghost

I have a visitor in my household tonight but shes a tourist from outside ireland. Do i put her down?

kneemos

cherryghost wrote: »

I have a visitor in my household tonight but shes a tourist from outside ireland. Do i put her down?

Bit harsh.

cherryghost

kneemos wrote: »

Bit harsh.

Its actually my mother in law from argentina so i will take your advice. Thank You

nomdeboardie

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=71126192&postcount=197

kneemos wrote: »

Bit harsh.

:pac:

(It would make things easier, though )

On a serious note, I'd be a bit annoyed if I was visiting the country and had to hand over personal information that is of no use to the state

cherryghost

nomdeboardie wrote: »

:pac:

(It would make things easier, though )

On a serious note, I'd be a bit annoyed if I was visiting the country and had to hand over personal information that is of no use to the state

Well the question is so ambiguous i dont know whether to put her in or not.

Some of the questions are retarded as ****

nomdeboardie

Speaking of family gatherings, this apparently happened diring the last census :eek:

suicide_circus

Lia_lia wrote: »

I haven't a notion when my (rented) house was built. No idea what to put down. I know it was knocked and rebuilt about 10 years ago, but I think it must be the original date it was built..

Count how many windows the house has and multiply by 3.
This will give you the age of the house.

Ted_YNWA

suicide_circus wrote: »

Count how many windows the house has and multiply by 3.
This will give you the age of the house.

You have to knock it down, everyone knows the builders leave the date of start of building in the foundations.

cherryghost

cherryghost wrote: »

Well the question is so ambiguous i dont know whether to put her in or not.

Some of the questions are retarded as ****

Seems very obvious.

You count everyone present in the house tonight. That's what it says!

Hmm. Just filling in the Census. No box for 'Not Sure/Agnostic' under 'Religion', (although I notice the Atheists and all their certainties have their "No Religion" box) but the idea of ticking "Roman Catholic" just to annoy Michael Nugent and his fellow reactionary anti-republican travellers suddenly has merit.

On the other hand, the ultramontane Roman church did condemn the 1798 insurrection (having been bought off by the British with the establishment of Maynooth seminary in 1795 as the British were afraid of Irish priests coming back from revolutionary France with republican ideas) and continuing on the same collaboration the RCC *did* support the Act of Union in 1800, did beat the language and culture of our coloniser into generations of Irish children in that unmentionable cultural genocide of the Irish people from 1800 onwards (particularly from 1831 when the English national school system was established), did condemn all anti-Treaty republicans and socialists from the altars in 1922 and 1923, and have always and without exception sided with the rich against the poor/Irish speakers/radicals/socialists/republicans. Anglicisation and Romanisation, the two curses of Irish intellectual independence.

Is there any way to reject the Atheist West Brits and the Roman Catholic West Brits in this question?

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Hmm. Just filling in the Census. No box for 'Not Sure/Agnostic' under 'Religion', (although I notice the Atheists and all their certainties have their "No Religion" box) but the idea of ticking "Roman Catholic" just to annoy Michael Nugent and his fellow reactionary anti-republican travellers suddenly has merit.

On the other hand, the ultramontane Roman church did condemn the 1798 insurrection (having been bought off by the British with the establishment of Maynooth seminary in 1795 as the British were afraid of Irish priests coming back from revolutionary France with republican ideas) and continuing on the same collaboration the RCC *did* support the Act of Union in 1800, did beat the language and culture of our coloniser into generations of Irish children in that unmentionable cultural genocide of the Irish people from 1800 onwards (particularly from 1831 when the English national school system was established), did condemn all anti-Treaty republicans and socialists from the altars in 1922 and 1923, and have always and without exception sided with the rich against the poor/Irish speakers/radicals/socialists/republicans. Anglicisation and Romanisation, the two curses of Irish intellectual independence.

Is there any way to reject the Atheist West Brits and the Roman Catholic West Brits in this question?

Seriously???

They just want to know if you are practising a religion.

Broken Hearted Road

Do you have to fill in all the questions per person. Can you leave any question blank? The bit about highest formal qualifications - we're a bit stuck on this one for my mam. She did the equilvent of the junier cert or whatever it was called back then. She went on to do a brief course in typewriting or something but she feels it doesn't apply to her any more.

I'd say there's a lot of older people in Ireland like this without any qualifications. So what do I put down here or can we leave it blank?

Vincent Vega

16. Do you have any of the following
long-lasting conditions or difficulties?:

(f) A psychological or emotional condition.

I wonder why this is as poorly phrased as the previous census.
Why not ask as to whether the person had been diagnosed as having one?
Or is this meant to question your self perception?

The Randy Riverbeast

Deleted User wrote: »

Hmm. Just filling in the Census. No box for 'Not Sure/Agnostic' under 'Religion', (although I notice the Atheists and all their certainties have their "No Religion" box) but the idea of ticking "Roman Catholic" just to annoy Michael Nugent and his fellow reactionary anti-republican travellers suddenly has merit.

On the other hand, the ultramontane Roman church did condemn the 1798 insurrection (having been bought off by the British with the establishment of Maynooth seminary in 1795 as the British were afraid of Irish priests coming back from revolutionary France with republican ideas) and continuing on the same collaboration the RCC *did* support the Act of Union in 1800, did beat the language and culture of our coloniser into generations of Irish children in that unmentionable cultural genocide of the Irish people from 1800 onwards (particularly from 1831 when the English national school system was established), did condemn all anti-Treaty republicans and socialists from the altars in 1922 and 1923, and have always and without exception sided with the rich against the poor/Irish speakers/radicals/socialists/republicans. Anglicisation and Romanisation, the two curses of Irish intellectual independence.

Is there any way to reject the Atheist West Brits and the Roman Catholic West Brits in this question?

Other, "Not a west brit"

Dont want someone thinking you are one.

bubblypop

bubblypop wrote: »

Seriously???

They just want to know if you are practising a religion.

Yes, except a certain (very much unelected) clown is going to be claiming the people who ticked the "No religion" box give him support for a whole myriad of reactionary West Brit things which it doesn't.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes, except a certain (very much unelected) clown is going to be claiming the people who ticked the "No religion" box give him support for a whole myriad of reactionary West Brit things which it doesn't.

So?

AtomicHorror

Deleted User wrote: »

Hmm. Just filling in the Census. No box for 'Not Sure/Agnostic' under 'Religion', (although I notice the Atheists and all their certainties have their "No Religion" box) but the idea of ticking "Roman Catholic" just to annoy Michael Nugent and his fellow reactionary anti-republican travellers suddenly has merit.

On the other hand, the ultramontane Roman church did condemn the 1798 insurrection (having been bought off by the British with the establishment of Maynooth seminary in 1795 as the British were afraid of Irish priests coming back from revolutionary France with republican ideas) and continuing on the same collaboration the RCC *did* support the Act of Union in 1800, did beat the language and culture of our coloniser into generations of Irish children in that unmentionable cultural genocide of the Irish people from 1800 onwards (particularly from 1831 when the English national school system was established), did condemn all anti-Treaty republicans and socialists from the altars in 1922 and 1923, and have always and without exception sided with the rich against the poor/Irish speakers/radicals/socialists/republicans. Anglicisation and Romanisation, the two curses of Irish intellectual independence.

Is there any way to reject the Atheist West Brits and the Roman Catholic West Brits in this question?

CSO clarification on the question:

CSO wrote:

The question is asking about the person’s current religion or beliefs and not about the religion the person may have been brought up with.

So if you practice or believe in something specific, tick that or write it. If not, then "No religion" is your answer. It does not oblige you to like west Brits, Michael Nugent or his striking red polo shirts.

uck51js9zml2yt

DivingDuck wrote: »

What I'm reading from this (please correct me if I'm wrong-- I'd love to be) is that the census enumerator is going to be reading all of the forms to check they're correctly answered?

Does anyone else feel this is slightly inappropriate?

The enumerator flicks through the form to ensure its complete.
When someone writes "the government are ****" on every page its kind of obvious its filled out incorrectly.
There were 6 people in the house , so having to redo it as opposed to an embarrassed wife saying she'd fill out a new one for me to collect was the better option.
They are scanned in by the CSO. No one particularly cares if you say you're a physicist when youre in fact a plonker:)

AtomicHorror

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, except a certain (very much unelected) clown is going to be claiming the people who ticked the "No religion" box give him support for a whole myriad of reactionary West Brit things which it doesn't.

How in the feck will they claim anything of the sort? They can't even claim that all their membership agrees with their position on 1916. Check out their Facebook page, plenty of atheists loudly disagreeing with that move, uncensored.

uck51js9zml2yt

cherryghost wrote: »

Its actually my mother in law from argentina so i will take your advice. Thank You

Everyone in the state needs to be included.
If you put her down you're not obliged to record her...tough choice to make:)

risteard7

At least we dont have to listen to that stupid humming on the radio anymore