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NBA Playoffs 2016
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Exactly.
People can be admiring of teams and players without being "fanboys".
I was referring to the bandwagon hopping on Curry.
Years ago (long before he was even an All Star) there was a great "debate" on here about the Top 10 PGs in the NBA. I was laughed at for putting Curry in my 10. Then we had "the great John Wall debate" (a true highlight in hilarity if you care to read back on it) - I rated Curry ahead of Wall in both where they were at the time and the upside. I was laughed at. GS were my pre-season tip last year to win it all - again I was laughed at.
Read back over my posts and you'll see all of the above if you think I'm making it up.
I'm just fed up of everyone saying they knew Curry would be great all along and they've been on him since Day 1. BS.
If you've read my posts over the years you'll see I'm more of a fan of players than teams. I'm a Celtics fan by virtue of that's the team I liked most when i started playing (many, many years ago). I recently listed my favourite players of all time, only 1 was a Celtic.
I'm lucky enough to have seen a lot of NBA, Euroleague, Eurobasket and World Championship games in the flesh. I'm also lucky enough to have played with and against some NBA players (not the truly elites, but guys who played in the league nonetheless). I'd like to think my eye is trained enough at this stage to notice the small differences that distinguish the good from the great.Exactly.
I have no emotional or personal connection to Le Bron or Cleveland or Curry and Oakland, but I'm not going to apologise for enjoying them when they are in full flight.
Who's asking you to apologise?
I'm looking forward to it too, but I will be cheering for anyone bar LeJon. I'd rather GS, San An or OKC win it all over Cleveland tbh.
Back to the Finals. It's interesting to see LeJon is playing more team ball in these play offs than last year. People on here mistakenly gave LeJon massive credit for his performances in last year's Finals saying he almost won it single handed. He actually was the major reason they didn't win. For the Cavs to beat GS, LeJon doesn't have to score 40-45+, he actually has to score less. The other players have do score more in a more balanced way - again I've posted on this more than once over the last year.
Oh another Curry stat that people may not be aware of - guess who led the league in hockey assists this year? Before anyone says that's not a real assist, it may not be officially ranked as such but ask guys who've played/coached at higher levels and they'll tell you the most important pass is the pass intermediately before the actual assist. If I had more time I'd go into more detail on this, but I'm sure if you're really interested you can google it.0 -
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ButtersSuki wrote: »Oh another Curry stat that people may not be aware of - guess who led the league in hockey assists this year? Before anyone says that's not a real assist, it may not be officially ranked as such but ask guys who've played/coached at higher levels and they'll tell you the most important pass is the pass intermediately before the actual assist. If I had more time I'd go into more detail on this, but I'm sure if you're really interested you can google it.
Mmmm. That is an interesting one. I have occasionally had bets on players making assists - Green can be good punt at times as he tends to be under-estimated - but the pass to the assister is probably the crucial one.
And speaking of the "lesser lights", I thought Adams was outstanding last night.
You are right about Le Bron to the extent that he is such a dominating/domineering figure that it becomes a negative factor. I would not be surprised if there are Cleveland players thinking "fk you Le Bron"occassionally
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Ah hindsight, easy to bring up when your right, eagerly ignored when incorrect. You sound kinda angry people arent bowing to your might.ButtersSuki wrote: »I was referring to the bandwagon hopping on Curry.
Years ago (long before he was even an All Star) there was a great "debate" on here about the Top 10 PGs in the NBA. I was laughed at for putting Curry in my 10. Then we had "the great John Wall debate" (a true highlight in hilarity if you care to read back on it) - I rated Curry ahead of Wall in both where they were at the time and the upside. I was laughed at. GS were my pre-season tip last year to win it all - again I was laughed at.
Read back over my posts and you'll see all of the above if you think I'm making it up.
I'm just fed up of everyone saying they knew Curry would be great all along and they've been on him since Day 1. BS.
If you've read my posts over the years you'll see I'm more of a fan of players than teams. I'm a Celtics fan by virtue of that's the team I liked most when i started playing (many, many years ago). I recently listed my favourite players of all time, only 1 was a Celtic.
I'm lucky enough to have seen a lot of NBA, Euroleague, Eurobasket and World Championship games in the flesh. I'm also lucky enough to have played with and against some NBA players (not the truly elites, but guys who played in the league nonetheless). I'd like to think my eye is trained enough at this stage to notice the small differences that distinguish the good from the great.
Who's asking you to apologise?
I'm looking forward to it too, but I will be cheering for anyone bar LeJon. I'd rather GS, San An or OKC win it all over Cleveland tbh.
Back to the Finals. It's interesting to see LeJon is playing more team ball in these play offs than last year. People on here mistakenly gave LeJon massive credit for his performances in last year's Finals saying he almost won it single handed. He actually was the major reason they didn't win. For the Cavs to beat GS, LeJon doesn't have to score 40-45+, he actually has to score less. The other players have do score more in a more balanced way - again I've posted on this more than once over the last year.
Oh another Curry stat that people may not be aware of - guess who led the league in hockey assists this year? Before anyone says that's not a real assist, it may not be officially ranked as such but ask guys who've played/coached at higher levels and they'll tell you the most important pass is the pass intermediately before the actual assist. If I had more time I'd go into more detail on this, but I'm sure if you're really interested you can google it.
I agree with you on LBJ last year, people were saying he should be MVP, for being a ball hog, christ0 -
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astonaidan wrote: »Ah hindsight, easy to bring up when your right, eagerly ignored when incorrect. You sound kinda angry people arent bowing to your might.
Nope, not angry at all. I'm just a little amazed :rolleyes: at how suddenly people are all on Curry. I'll post as quickly when I'm wrong. I posted after game 1 of the Spurs OKC series I could see the Spurs sweeping them. I got that one badly wrong obviously. I have posted more than once since giving props to OKC for coming back into the series, after game 2 and after game 5 as recently as earlier today (or was that yesterday? I honestly forget!).
Final post for the night - just watched episode 11 of Billions. Kobe gets a mention - the quote was something like "you're like Kobe on a 2 for 18 night, you're still going to take the next shot thinking this one will definitely go in". The person at whom it's directed takes great offence and says "not Kobe please, if you'd said Steph Curry or MJ I'd be ok with that" (or something similar).
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ButtersSuki wrote: »
Who's asking you to apologise?
I'm looking forward to it too, but I will be cheering for anyone bar LeJon. I'd rather GS, San An or OKC win it all over Cleveland tbh.
Back to the Finals. It's interesting to see LeJon is playing more team ball in these play offs than last year. People on here mistakenly gave LeJon massive credit for his performances in last year's Finals saying he almost won it single handed. He actually was the major reason they didn't win. For the Cavs to beat GS, LeJon doesn't have to score 40-45+, he actually has to score less. The other players have do score more in a more balanced way - again I've posted on this more than once over the last year.
I am one of them and i think fair is fair and he should be given massive credit for his performances in the finals last year. He led the finals in scoring (whilst shooting at 40%), rebounds and assists. Yet hes the major reason they lost.......Of course he played almost every minute but its still an impressive achievement.
If the Cavs did win that he WOULD have done it single handedly, why?, because he was playing with Thompson, Delle, Smith and Shumpert.
Of course hes playing more team ball this year because he actually has a team that the Cavs can count on with Irving, Love and a much improved Smith.
I, like yourself, want any of the remaining teams from the West to win it ahead of the cavs mainly because I cant stand Lebron. But whilst his performances last year were selfish, because he had no other real option, they were immense all the same.0 -
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ButtersSuki wrote: »Nope, not angry at all. I'm just a little amazed :rolleyes: at how suddenly people are all on Curry. I'll post as quickly when I'm wrong. I posted after game 1 of the Spurs OKC series I could see the Spurs sweeping them. I got that one badly wrong obviously. I have posted more than once since giving props to OKC for coming back into the series, after game 2 and after game 5 as recently as earlier today (or was that yesterday? I honestly forget!).
Final post for the night - just watched episode 11 of Billions. Kobe gets a mention - the quote was something like "you're like Kobe on a 2 for 18 night, you're still going to take the next shot thinking this one will definitely go in". The person at whom it's directed takes great offence and says "not Kobe please, if you'd said Steph Curry or MJ I'd be ok with that" (or something similar).
Ah but the difference is you put out a essay about how right you were about Curry, so tell me then which current next generation player do you see being the next big. You see you could get it right, but you could also get it wrong.
Scouts had Telfair as a cant miss prospect and well you see how that turned out. I think you need a bit of a reality check, people are allowed to change their view on Curry.
As I said hindsight its easy to blow your horn
Im not sure how the quote is relevant tbh, surely youve read Jordans view on taking shots. Constantly dissing of Kobe shows a massive bias and well makes you looks very childish:rolleyes:0 -
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astonaidan wrote: »Ah but the difference is you put out a essay about how right you were about Curry, so tell me then which current next generation player do you see being the next big. You see you could get it right, but you could also get it wrong.
Scouts had Telfair as a cant miss prospect and well you see how that turned out. I think you need a bit of a reality check, people are allowed to change their view on Curry.
As I said hindsight its easy to blow your horn
Im not sure how the quote is relevant tbh, surely youve read Jordans view on taking shots. Constantly dissing of Kobe shows a massive bias and well makes you looks very childish:rolleyes:
I also wrote an essay on Jimmer at draft time saying he was a waste of a pick and despite the outstanding range the guy had in college he was too small and slow (these are relative terms of course) to be able to replicate that in the NBA.
I'm not saying people can't change their mind, it's just the way it's happened - particularly in the US.
Of course I get things wrong! Jesus I'm not perfect by any means or measure.
Haven't seen enough college ball this year (or the last few to be honest about it) to make a call on the next big thing. Pros wise, let me think about it and come back to you maybe?
Constantly dissing Kobe? I've had a few pops at him sure but it's not like I'm saying he's useless. For the record, I think he's insanely talented. I've seen him play in the flesh (Lakers and the 2008 Olympic Team) and he was unbelievably good - like he had an aura around him on the court - it felt like some of the other players were actually in awe of him. Part of his strength is his stubbornness, but it's also part of his weakness. And I'm sorry but going out and taking 50 shots in your last game is a bit of a d*ck move in my eyes. You know what would have impressed me? If he went out and had 10 assists in his last game. I can also imagine playing with Kobe in the last few years must have sucked major ass for all concerned.
It's not like I'm hating on him like I hate on Melo!
;):D At least Kobe wants to win. I've said it before and I stand by it - Melo would rather score 40 and lose than 2 and win. The Black Hole of Basketball, once you pass the ball to Melo you might as well go back to your own half and get ready to play D. 0 -
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ButtersSuki wrote: »I also wrote an essay on Jimmer at draft time saying he was a waste of a pick and despite the outstanding range the guy had in college he was too small and slow (these are relative terms of course) to be able to replicate that in the NBA.
I'm not saying people can't change their mind, it's just the way it's happened - particularly in the US.
Of course I get things wrong! Jesus I'm not perfect by any means or measure.
Haven't seen enough college ball this year (or the last few to be honest about it) to make a call on the next big thing. Pros wise, let me think about it and come back to you maybe?
Constantly dissing Kobe? I've had a few pops at him sure but it's not like I'm saying he's useless. For the record, I think he's insanely talented. I've seen him play in the flesh (Lakers and the 2008 Olympic Team) and he was unbelievably good - like he had an aura around him on the court - it felt like some of the other players were actually in awe of him. Part of his strength is his stubbornness, but it's also part of his weakness. And I'm sorry but going out and taking 50 shots in your last game is a bit of a d*ck move in my eyes. You know what would have impressed me? If he went out and had 10 assists in his last game. I can also imagine playing with Kobe in the last few years must have sucked major ass for all concerned.
It's not like I'm hating on him like I hate on Melo!;):D At least Kobe wants to win. I've said it before and I stand by it - Melo would rather score 40 and lose than 2 and win. The Black Hole of Basketball, once you pass the ball to Melo you might as well go back to your own half and get ready to play D.
Think everyone knew that about Jimmer tbh, it took Sacramento to draft him in first round, like I think he could carve a career yet but he is to small for a SG and just isnt a PG.
Why are you getting so cranky on a Irish site about Curry though, the big thing about him was his injuries, did people ever doubt his talent
How is taking 50 shots in your last game a dick move, it was a nothing game, people were their to see him gun. He was told by everyone to gun, it was in no way a dick move, its not like he shot 50 every game. Anyways you seem to post more than a few pops at him, hence why I noticed it, if I did when I mostly just browse this forum it kinda shows.
I liked Melo till he decided to stay in NY, that was his moment to prove he wanted to win, Chicago was their in the perfect position for him
Just one final thing about Curry, do I think hes MVP yes, do I think a player like Lillard could be 99% as effective in GSW 100% yes0 -
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