Playstation VR Discussion Thread

gerrybbadd

Sony are currently on stage at GDC 2016 and have confirmed PSVR for release in October this year. Cost is €399/$399/£349

heebusjeebus

Tempting at that price but add an extra €100 for camera and move controllers.

gerrybbadd

heebusjeebus wrote: »

Tempting at that price but add an extra €100 for camera and move controllers.

I'd say you'd pick them up cheap on adverts. The camera is what, €50 new?

They say it'll work with the dualshock 4 as well

heebusjeebus

Cinematic mode sounds great actually. I wonder how long you can play before you need to rest your eyes?

Retr0gamer

Some nice specs on the piece of kit, really impressed with the OLED screens, much nicer than manky LCD. Still though I'd have concerns over the PS4 being powerful enough to maintain a decent framerate required not to give everyone motion sickness. I'd also be concerned that in the history of gaming no console add on has been successful and this could end up as another Mega CD.

Oafley Jones

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Some nice specs on the piece of kit, really impressed with the OLED screens, much nicer than manky LCD. Still though I'd have concerns over the PS4 being powerful enough to maintain a decent framerate required not to give everyone motion sickness. I'd also be concerned that in the history of gaming no console add on has been successful and this could end up as another Mega CD.

Kinect was pretty much a load of bollocks, but the hardware for the first was a definite commercial success. Going on history I'm extremely wary of Sonys commitment in the long term and their overall ability to simply financially support it.

Kylo Ren

CastorTroy

I'd wait before buying. Let the beta testers go first.

But seriously though, was just thinking of picking up a move and navigation controllers to play Okami anyway. Both of those controllers work on PS4, don't they? Assuming you have the camera. Figure get them now in case VR drives up the price.

Side note: Since was looking at move on cex and there are none in my local, anyone know if I can just order one in my local from another store? I know the UK allows it

Virtanen

CastorTroy wrote: »

Side note: Since was looking at move on cex and there are none in my local, anyone know if I can just order one in my local from another store? I know the UK allows it

According to their website, yes:

The goods I want are not in my local store, can they be transferred to my local store?
Generally yes. Requests are processed by your local store, so you will need to pay them a visit and request a ‘store request transfer’. Transfers are not guaranteed, but we will do our best to source your item.

https://ie.webuy.com/support/storehelp.php

It's kind of hard for me to get excited about any kind of VR tech when I have to wear prescription glasses just to see. Even going to a 3D film at the cinema I have to wear the 3D glasses over my prescription pair. Not many (if any) of these wearable tech seem capable of accommodating for that

SouthTippBass

Hold on, thats amazing. Im more excited for the cinematic mode, I can play ps4 without having to cram a telly into my tiny box bedroom? And afterwards I can lie down in bed and watch movies? Sign me up

DARK-KNIGHT

Class 399 not insanely priced

PTH2009

i have a move controller (ps3 one) and a playstation camera will i be able to use them with this.

I have a vr shinecon headset and use it with my HTC one m9 and i love it but heating/battery issues with the phone make it hard to use for long.

what will the difference between vr headsets like mine and the Playstation vr ???

drunkmonkey

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

Class 399 not insanely priced

That's the worrying thing though. I'm not sure the ps4 has the power to pull it off, still it's sony so i'd expect them to know what their doing before they release it.
It's priced well under the Oculus and the Vive.
I've a Vive pre ordered and this has made me think twice about it as it's half the price, would love to see a head to head comparison.

tok9

It's amazing what a different perspective does.

If PSVR had announced it's price before Oculus and Vive, people would have said it was insanely priced for very different reasons.

Xenji

heebusjeebus wrote: »

Cinematic mode sounds great actually. I wonder how long you can play before you need to rest your eyes?

Samsung have a warning that you should take a 15-30 minute break after every half hour, VR is going to be tricky as quite a few people, myself included might never be able to use its current incarnation.

Doge

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Some nice specs on the piece of kit, really impressed with the OLED screens, much nicer than manky LCD. Still though I'd have concerns over the PS4 being powerful enough to maintain a decent framerate required not to give everyone motion sickness. I'd also be concerned that in the history of gaming no console add on has been successful and this could end up as another Mega CD.

Most games will be made specifically for it so should run well.
Don't expect much VR compatible Triple A titles.

I don't see it as a console add-on tbh, its a peripheral.
I'm impressed that we won't need to buy a more powerful PS4 to run it.

I think Playstation will be in the lead as the mainstream VR experience, a bit like the Gameboy was the most successful handheld, the PC experience will be like the Game Gear, except with more content.

CastorTroy

And just so I'm clear, it can be used like a normal tv as well? So like I could play Uncharted and it would just be like playing on a really big tv

wes

Already have the camera and one move controller. So would just need to pick up a second one I guess, and I would be good to go.

tok9

CastorTroy wrote: »

And just so I'm clear, it can be used like a normal tv as well? So like I could play Uncharted and it would just be like playing on a really big tv

Yes

nocoverart

Is this a straight €400 for the headset without any tax/shipping bullsh1t like the Vive and Rift have?

Doge

nocoverart wrote: »

Is this a straight €400 for the headset without any tax/shipping bullsh1t like the Vive and Rift have?

No because you need to buy the Playstation 4 Camera separately which costs €50 to use it.

As for the price, it should be the retail price alright, I cant see Sony leaving out taxes.

Funnily enough gamestop.ie show it as available to pre order right now on this banner for €400:




But when you click the banner the price is €450:

https://www.gamestop.ie/PlayStation%204/Games/46341/playstation-vr


Stupid cúnts!

Doge

The official ad is a bit cringe, I like how they made it transparent so you can see their faces though, and delighted Ace Combat 7 will be in VR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51f09FN2sLw

MOAR HYPE! All the following games will be free btw, dat luge game tho'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFnciHpEOMI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxO003ZwAvs

Captain Chaos

Two things:

1: Has the PS4 got the power for this in useful applications, I don't think so.

2: This VR needs a killer app to sell it. Not buying a €400 head set for tech demos.

I'll wait for a console that can run all games at 60fps and 1080p at all times before I get excited about proper VR for it. No console can do it right now.

Ideally you need a machine that can do 120fps at 720p minimum fir VR to really work and look well.

For the other VR head sets you will need a decent to top end PC for it to work.

heebusjeebus

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Two things:

1: Has the PS4 got the power for this in useful applications, I don't think so.

2: This VR needs a killer app to sell it. Not buying a €400 head set for tech demos.

I'll wait for a console that can run all games at 60fps and 1080p at all times before I get excited about proper VR for it. No console can do it right now.

Ideally you need a machine that can do 120fps at 720p minimum fir VR to really work and look well.

For the other VR head sets you will need a decent to top end PC for it to work.

Pound for pound it should perform better than Oculus because Sony control every part of the solution. The breakout box seems to take some of the processing off the PS4 hands which will help.
You certainly wont get Uncharted 4 level graphics working with PSVR but that does not mean compelling AAA games cannot be developed for the platform.

Oafley Jones

heebusjeebus wrote: »

Pound for pound it should perform better than Oculus because Sony control every part of the solution. The breakout box seems to take some of the processing off the PS4 hands which will help.
You certainly wont get Uncharted 4 level graphics working with PSVR but that does not mean compelling AAA games cannot be developed for the platform.

The breakout box doesn't do any processing whatsoever. It's simply there to convert the signal back into something your tv can handle. Decent PS3 level graphics is probably the most you can expect. I'd imagine most of the stuff will be hyper stylised as to compensate for the ps4s comparatively meagre specs.

heebusjeebus

Oafley Jones wrote: »

The breakout box doesn't do any processing whatsoever. It's simply there to convert the signal back into something your tv can handle. Decent PS3 level graphics is probably the most you can expect. I'd imagine most of the stuff will be hyper stylised as to compensate for the ps4s comparatively meagre specs.

Sony call the breakout box a "Processor Unit" which hints that it will do a job or two.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/15/11241122/playstation-vr-hardware-headset-virtual-reality-gdc-2016

Oafley Jones

heebusjeebus wrote: »

Sony call the breakout box a "Processor Unit" which hints that it will do a job or two.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/15/11241122/playstation-vr-hardware-headset-virtual-reality-gdc-2016

Sony have come out and clarified what it actually does that being signal for tv and alright processing for the 3Daudio. As the name suggested it's just a breakout box it isn't going to give any further graphical fidelity.

RedXIV

Sony have also announced that they don't intend to try and say that Playstation VR is the best VR solution, but as pointed out, they control the entire ecosystem for this VR setup and should be able to take advantage of that over Occulus/Vive needing to ensure they are generically compatible with various PC systems.

Lord Spence

any idea when smyths will be taking pre orders, have no intention of giving gamestop my money

McDermotX

Around 460-480 euro in Amazon, which makes that GameStop 399 look a bit vague.

Super Sidious

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00I9WWBCQ?keywords=psvr&qid=1458125859&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1

I just bought it there, although no idea if where i am in the Q, they said pre-orders start at 11am but i ordered at 10.50am.

From reading comments on reddit from guys who've tried it recently they say its a really immersive experience and I've only heard positive feedback with a limited range of games to try, that's impressive.

Sony have delayed it til October to make sure there there is a large catalog of games, 40+ from indie up to big game devs.

It requires a camera, which are available for ~€40, and the move controllers are optional, but imagine they come in handy for shooters etc.

Not as strong as oculus etc, but thats coming in at €600+ and you need a high spec PC to run it, so lets say total cost €1500+ if you dont already own a high end PC

You can use cinematic mode to watch movies/normal PS4 games, in essence giving you an cinema sized screen to play everything on.

Anyway it's a day 1 buy for me...

FAILSAFE 00

It's actually a risky buy. Sony have a history of abandoning products that don't sell well or get traction.

It's closer to €500 when adding the mandatory camera and the optional move controllers.

It's a bit too much on a closed system. What if it doesn't sell well. Are devs going even bother going to the extra hassle of making games for it if millions of owners don't even use one.

johnny_ultimate

What if Oculus Rift or Vive fail to sell? A homebrew and independent scene will struggle to maintain interest in VR as a platform if the mainstream market fails to take notice. All virtual reality is currently a risk, for players, developers and the technology makers alike - a new technology that not only requires a sizable investment, but requires a major culture shift before audiences get fully on board with it.

There's no doubt whatsoever anybody who wants the best VR experience is better going with the PC options. However, there's also no doubt the Playstation VR is an essential play for the wider adoption of virtual reality. Even with a camera, you're looking at a price several hundred euro lower than its competitors, with a much, much lower priced machine needed to run it in the first place (the €1000+ PC I bought last year is just about VR-ready - PC VR is currently effectively out of reach of all but enthusiasts). Compromises will have to be made to graphical fidelity to ensure the mandatory smooth frame rates given the PS4's limited capacities. But this, more than the Vive or Oculus Rift, is the big gambit to see whether VR is always likely to be a niche market (at least until the equipment is substantially cheaper) or whether it can translate to something bigger.

Captain Chaos

Sony should just go and do what MS are strongly considering and release a major hardware refresh of the current consoles. Re release the PS4 and XB1 in 12 months with double the power they currently have and have all the current games run as is or better.

The consoles are clearly not powerful enough to last the next 6-7 years of projected life. They appear to me maxed out already and do not seem to have the gains that was made with the last gen in them.

They should have held VR back until they had a much more powerful console on the market. The 18ms response time on this head set is bad, it should be at least half that. They are capped by a relatively weak console for VR.

Just imo.

OhHiMark

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Sony should just go and do what MS are strongly considering and release a major hardware refresh of the current consoles. Re release the PS4 and XB1 in 12 months with double the power they currently have and have all the current games run as is or better.

The consoles are clearly not powerful enough to last the next 6-7 years of projected life. They appear to me maxed out already and do not seem to have the gains that was made with the last gen in them.

They should have held VR back until they had a much more powerful console on the market. The 18ms response time on this head set is bad, it should be at least half that. They are capped by a relatively weak console for VR.

Just imo.

What are the response times on the other VR units?

Thargor

Releasing a new version of the same console would be suicide, nobody would buy it...

Oafley Jones

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Sony should just go and do what MS are strongly considering and release a major hardware refresh of the current consoles. Re release the PS4 and XB1 in 12 months with double the power they currently have and have all the current games run as is or better.

I still think this is a crazy idea. I just see problem after problem with it as regards the required technical solutions or simply from a marketing point of view. Why fracture the user base and introduce potential confusion where it's not needed. I wonder how much longer MS will stick with Xbox. Will they sell it off, or will Nadella simply absorb into PC/ a cloud platform. Xbox doesn't seem to align with his vision for MS. Sony (badly) need the money from hardware sales and the upgrade policy would carry an enormous risk from them.

Oafley Jones

Thargor wrote: »

Releasing a new version of the same console would be suicide, nobody would buy it...

What CaptainChaos is referring to would also include a potential upgrade box for your current machine. So, you'd either buy the XBO 1.5 as a complete unit or have an attachment that would upgrade your original XBO to the same power. They'd all run the same games, but the 1.5 would have more bells and whistles. It's seems reasonable but the reality is kinda idiotic.

I talked about confusion, Nintendo couldn't get people to buy a whole new machine because they failed to understand that the WiiU wasn't just an upgrade. Then you'd be dealing with the "it's good enough" demographic. People who'd be forced to buy the latest machine might just settle for an inferior version on the base console.

johnny_ultimate

Captain Chaos wrote: »

They should have held VR back until they had a much more powerful console on the market.

Unrealistic, unfortunately. VR is happening, well, right now, and I can easily see why Sony felt the need to get this out there ASAP. Wait and you risk the market being occupied or taken over by somebody else. A PS5 is a good while away yet, so who knows what could have happened in the interim.

On the plus side, there's no reason P-VR won't be compatible with whatever comes next.

Doge

Here's a nice review of PSVR and even a link to a YouTube video of the reviewers brother playing it so you know it's legit:

https://m.reddit.com/r/PS4/comments/3vy9dy/i_spent_3_hours_in_the_playstation_vr_at_psx_here/


In anticipation I picked up 2 PS Moves in CEX today for 8 quid each just in case I decide to take the plunge down the line.

I think PlayStation are onto a winner personally, they're ticking all the right boxes for mass market VR so far, and the pre Christmas release is very smart and gives developers more time to finish content.

My plan is to is maybe buy one, and wait year or a few to invest in a PC based system when it becomes more affordable and hardware has caught up with the requirements.

This is certainly looking like the best bet for entry level VR though.

Oafley Jones

Was there any mention of No Man's Sky? I seem to remember speculation that this was going to be PSVR's killer app. Always seemed like an huge ask of the hardware to me.

Otacon

Mine is ordered from Amazon. It should arrive on launch day as I was in early enough. Already have the camera and Move controllers.

So far, Battlezone and EVE Valkyrie seem like the games to get. Hopefully Golem will be good too.

Oafley Jones

Otacon wrote: »

Mine is ordered from Amazon. It should arrive on launch day as I was in early enough. Already have the camera and Move controllers.

So far, Battlezone and EVE Valkyrie seem like the games to get. Hopefully Golem will be good too.

Do they keep a hold of the amount on your card until shipping? I'm tempted, but super broke atm.

Benzino

I haven't tried VR yet so this would be a good entry point, I've been debating getting an Xbox One over the last year, but think I'll invest in this instead (looking forward to seeing more Hololens though).

I think the big difference between this "peripheral" over other peripherals is that VR is happening on PC now too, so anybody making a PC VR game will likely port it over to PS4 too, and vice versa to get as many users of the initial small market as possible. As has been mentioned, it's getting really favourable responses from people who have tried all the VR systems.

LookingFor

Captain Chaos wrote: »

They should have held VR back until they had a much more powerful console on the market. The 18ms response time on this head set is bad, it should be at least half that.

Why do you think that's bad?

I'm not sure of any headset out there offering a response time sub-9ms!

The target offered by Oculus is sub-20ms, in order not to notice the latency. Vive has the same target. Indeed PSVR may technically have the lowest latency of the three main solutions so far - the 120hz refresh rate of the screen is unique to it and might be responsible for that.

In terms of PS4's power - it's a lot more powerful than the phones serving Gear VR content. Although I know it's not the same thing as seeing things through a VR set, some of the games they've shown at GDC look great in videos.

Xenji

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Do they keep a hold of the amount on your card until shipping? I'm tempted, but super broke atm.

They take out the money as it is being prepared for dispatch, no holds on your card.

Otacon

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Do they keep a hold of the amount on your card until shipping? I'm tempted, but super broke atm.

Xenji wrote: »

They take out the money as it is being prepared for dispatch, no holds on your card.

What Xenji said

Oafley Jones

Thanks guys. Just preordered.

wandatowell

Pre-ordered this morning with in GS.

400 quid ain't a bad price. Was thinking about waiting but I figured why bother.

tok9

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Sony should just go and do what MS are strongly considering and release a major hardware refresh of the current consoles. Re release the PS4 and XB1 in 12 months with double the power they currently have and have all the current games run as is or better.

This is fantasy stuff. The ps4 is 350 at retail now, if they were to "double the power" you'd be paying at least another 150-200 euro on that. Never mind that it splits the audience base.

Captain Chaos wrote: »

The consoles are clearly not powerful enough to last the next 6-7 years of projected life. They appear to me maxed out already and do not seem to have the gains that was made with the last gen in them.

I never really understand what this means. Couldn't you have said the same thing about the last generation of games. We're about to get the likes of Uncharted 4 and Quantum Break which both visually look phenomenal.

We could honestly have consoles like high end PCs and we'd still have the same argument saying they are not powerful enough.

Sounds like you are looking for a PC because the console market won't be the one with the best specs.

nocoverart

tok9 wrote: »

This is fantasy stuff. The ps4 is 350 at retail now, if they were to "double the power" you'd be paying at least another 150-200 euro on that. Never mind that it splits the audience base.



I never really understand what this means. Couldn't you have said the same thing about the last generation of games. We're about to get the likes of Uncharted 4 and Quantum Break which both visually look phenomenal.

We could honestly have consoles like high end PCs and we'd still have the same argument saying they are not powerful enough.

Sounds like you are looking for a PC because the console market won't be the one with the best specs.

Fooking hell man, you talk way too much sense for the interweb.