Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

Depp

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Two weight champ with an asterisk.

*Never defended a title.

but won two?



big nog never defended a belt and only ever held an interim belt, should he be removed from the hof?

Subcomandante Marcos

Swashbuckler wrote: »

In fairness that's different to saying he would have no legacy. I wouldn't have him in the top 5 of all time as it stands but he definitely has a legacy as it stands.

Look, everyone has a legacy of sorts. But when I'm talking about legacy I'm talking about it in a sporting sense. Like the Bulls of the 90's or the Patroits of the 00's or Barcelona of a few years ago or Floyd.

Teams or champions who won all before them and continued to do so for a prolonged period.

People like GSP, Jones, Mightymouse, BJ, Aldo, Ortiz, Couture, Hughes, Silva.


Conor's not at their level in terms of legacy.


Money wise, he's probably made more than the rest of them combined though.

Swashbuckler

Yep I agree. If he was to retire now then I wouldn't disagree with your points

Subcomandante Marcos

If he were to defend both belts concurrently over 3 or 4 fights in each division or he picked one and cleared out the division, it's an entirely different story.

He could, if he wanted, be the best FW of all time by going back down and defending it for a few years (I don't think he's ever fighting at FW again though).

Or if he managed to defend the LW belt for a while beating the likes of RDA, Ferguson, Khabib, Diaz again and so on he'd be up there with the BJ's and the Cruz's.

hatrickpatrick

This seems to be the original source of the rumour and according to the article, it won't be permanent. So it's more of a hiatus.

http://smackhisface.com/2016/09/30/breaking-news-conor-mcgregors-special-announcement-has-been-leaked/


Conor plans on retiring after winning the lightweight title. Media obligations and the pressure to perform has become too overwhelming on him and his family causing strife in his relationships at home. The retirement is not supposed to be permanent but he will be taking a significant amount of time away from the sport to get his life in order. Both his belts will be relinquished. This could be good news for Jose Aldo.

Personally I reckon this ties in fairly well with the pregnancy rumours. If Dee is pregnant (or if they've decided they want to try and start a family) he'll need around a year off so he can be with her through the pregnancy and for a good while afterwards before he kicks off his busy routine again.

Subcomandante Marcos

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This seems to be the original source of the rumour and according to the article, it won't be permanent. So it's more of a hiatus.

http://smackhisface.com/2016/09/30/breaking-news-conor-mcgregors-special-announcement-has-been-leaked/


Conor plans on retiring after winning the lightweight title. Media obligations and the pressure to perform has become too overwhelming on him and his family causing strife in his relationships at home. The retirement is not supposed to be permanent but he will be taking a significant amount of time away from the sport to get his life in order. Both his belts will be relinquished. This could be good news for Jose Aldo.

Personally I reckon this ties in fairly well with the pregnancy rumours. If Dee is pregnant (or if they've decided they want to try and start a family) he'll need around a year off so he can be with her through the pregnancy and for a good while afterwards before he kicks off his busy routine again.

Conor's what, 28 or 29? So Dee is probably around the same age?
Babies makes sense to be honest.

hatrickpatrick

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

This seems to be the original source of the rumour and according to the article, it won't be permanent. So it's more of a hiatus.

http://smackhisface.com/2016/09/30/breaking-news-conor-mcgregors-special-announcement-has-been-leaked/


Conor plans on retiring after winning the lightweight title. Media obligations and the pressure to perform has become too overwhelming on him and his family causing strife in his relationships at home. The retirement is not supposed to be permanent but he will be taking a significant amount of time away from the sport to get his life in order. Both his belts will be relinquished. This could be good news for Jose Aldo.

Personally I reckon this ties in fairly well with the pregnancy rumours. If Dee is pregnant (or if they've decided they want to try and start a family) he'll need around a year off so he can be with her through the pregnancy and for a good while afterwards before he kicks off his busy routine again.

Sam Alveys wife was cornering him when like 7 months pregnant, I mean just because Conor might be having a baby is not a reason to retire. In my opinion if he is retiring then he shouldn't be getting this lightweight shot, so what? he can maybe win it and then give it up.... why?

Conor is a great fighter and I am a massive fan but he should be defending his belt before he looks at a lightweight belt and having 3 fights while still holding a belt in another weight division is a freaking joke. Champion of featherweight having two fights with Diaz and one with Alvarez when Aldo, Holloway and Edgar deserve a title shot.

Subcomandante Marcos

Deleted User wrote: »

Sam Alveys wife was cornering him when like 7 months pregnant, I mean just because Conor might be having a baby is not a reason to retire.

In fairness to Smiling Sam, he doesn't have 1/10th of the media commitments that Conor has and he doesn't get dragged around the world on promo tours. There's a massive difference. Sam stays at home and trains until a few days before the fight and then knocks fools out and goes home for 6 months.

hatrickpatrick

The article does say that it isn't retirement though. Retirement is permanent, this says "the retirement is not supposed to be permanent" which implies that it's more of a hiatus.

Subcomandante Marcos

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The article does say that it isn't retirement though. Retirement is permanent, this says "the retirement is not supposed to be permanent" which implies that it's more of a hiatus.

In the UFC it's not uncommon for people to retire multiple times :pac:

Dtp1979

Has any of this been confirmed yet or are we still speculating??

Subcomandante Marcos

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Has any of this been confirmed yet or are we still speculating??

I'm still going with my original prediction form post #6919.

Subcomandante Marcos

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

In fairness to Smiling Sam, he doesn't have 1/10th of the media commitments that Conor has and he doesn't get dragged around the world on promo tours. There's a massive difference. Sam stays at home and trains until a few days before the fight and then knocks fools out and goes home for 6 months.

Ah I know there is a difference I am just a little sour that he wont defend a belt once. I mean 3 fights in a year and not one defense annoys me, defend the thing once, just once and then go up. You're not a champion until you defend your belt.

DrPhilG

1, whatever this is, it can't be a good thing to have a distraction this big during camp.

2, I can't see retirement, or a particularly long break right now. I know whatever he says must be taken with a pinch of salt but "they're gonna have to send an army to take these belts off me" doesn't sound like a guy who's planning to lay them both down.

Subcomandante Marcos

It could all be a smoke screen from Dana and the UFC to cut down on Conor's media commitments for this fight.

Put it out there than Conor is going through some "personal stuff" and then people ask less questions about him not doing media stuff.

moneyman

Still speculating, though I do think it's likely he's taking a break.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if his relationships are suffering due to his workload, both training-wise and promotionally. Even though everyone acknowledges how much promotion he does, we're still probably underestimating it. Imagine being on the road 24/7, and when you're not, you're training. It can't be easy on Dee (baby or no baby) or his family. There has to be a tipping point. Especially since he is obviously financially secure at this point.

I wouldn't blame him for taking a break at all. Dee seems to have been there though everything, I'm sure he is taking the relationship into account. I do hope he makes a return though if he is indeed "retiring". He is so entertaining and fun to watch. No one here could have dreamed that an Irishman would be probably the biggest star in UFC history. We're not going to get this situation again so hate him or love him, enjoy it while you can.

moneyman

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah I know there is a difference I am just a little sour that he wont defend a belt once. I mean 3 fights in a year and not one defense annoys me, defend the thing once, just once and then go up. You're not a champion until you defend your belt.

I agree with your sentiment (except your last sentence which is total nonsense), but to be fair, I am sure he would have defended at least once or twice had RDA not pulled out. He wouldn't have had a choice. So it's not entirely his fault. He gets special treatment, but that's what happens when you make the company a boatload of money. May not be fair, but life is not fair unfortunately.

Depp

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah I know there is a difference I am just a little sour that he wont defend a belt once. I mean 3 fights in a year and not one defense annoys me, defend the thing once, just once and then go up. You're not a champion until you defend your belt.

When you defeat the current champion by KO, Submission or Judges Decision in a 5 round title fight the rule is you become the champion of said division. The rules couldnt be any clearer and quite frankly this 'not champion untill you defend' bullshit is becoming quite tiresome and needs to stop, this isn't sherdog.

cloudatlas

Eh... Dee works for him she likes the buzz of the life he leads aswell. Conor is obsessed with fighting hardly think he wants to make a statement about taking a break, perhaps he wants to ease back on the throttle a bit.

Axwell

Mod: Folks could we stop with the nonsense speculation. Some of the stuff posted here is utter nonsense..anymore of it and people will be taking a break

Depp

Depp wrote: »

When you defeat the current champion by KO, Submission or Judges Decision in a 5 round title fight the rule is you become the champion of said division. The rules couldnt be any clearer and quite frankly this 'not champion untill you defend' bullshit is becoming quite tiresome and needs to stop, this isn't sherdog.

One of Conors major complaints and abuse towards Aldo coming up to their fight was that he wasn't an active champion and was taking so long between fights. Now Conor will have had a belt for 12 months and he hasn't defended it, he has had no injuries and fought 3 fights outside his weight division. Kind of makes Conor a hypocrite no?

Depp

Deleted User wrote: »

One of Conors major complaints and abuse towards Aldo coming up to their fight was that he wasn't an active champion and was taking so long between fights. Now Conor will have had a belt for 12 months and he hasn't defended it, he has had no injuries and fought 3 fights outside his weight division. Kind of makes Conor a hypocrite no?

does being a hypocrite mean you're not a champion?

moneyman

I don't think it would be out of left field at all, but Dana talks ****e most of the time. It could be predictable and he'd still be selling it as a big announcement.

One of Conors major complaints and abuse towards Aldo coming up to their fight was that he wasn't an active champion and was taking so long between fights. Now Conor will have had a belt for 12 months and he hasn't defended it, he has had no injuries and fought 3 fights outside his weight division. Kind of makes Conor a hypocrite no?

Yeah but Aldo was inactive full stop. I definitely agree that Conor is getting special treatment having 3 fights without defending 145, it's unheard of. But as I said before, if RDA hadn't gotten injured, he would have defended at least one title at least once. What unfolded wasn't planned, it was basically a freak occurence. Doesn't excuse it, but I don't think Conor is avoiding anyone. He has proven he will fight anyone at any notice. It's not a criticism anyone can legitimately level at him.

darced

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nomadchocolate

Ufc titles mean nothing. They are a marketing tool. It is a fugazi, an illusion.

McGregor has been very clear about his intentions. Once he won the 145 pound belt it was always unlikely that he would defend. Stop whinging saying he is not a champion. If I were McGregor I wouldn't defend the 145 belt until absolutely necessary. He made some amount of cash off the Diaz fights and earned his shot at the 155 belt.

I'm assuming that all those who said tht Conor should be made to defend his 145 belt chose not to watch the second Diaz fight as a form of protest? All sanctimonious bollocks. McGregor is doing what his best for him and fair play to him.

Todd Toddington III

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ah I know there is a difference I am just a little sour that he wont defend a belt once. I mean 3 fights in a year and not one defense annoys me, defend the thing once, just once and then go up. You're not a champion until you defend your belt.

How does beating a champion not equate to being a champion? Absolute nonsense

Subcomandante Marcos

Todd Toddington III wrote: »

How does beating a champion not equate to being a champion? Absolute nonsense

It's a pretty commonly held sentiment in combat sports "you're not really a champion until you defend a title".

It's not something I agree with, but it's not that out there of an opinion. It's really common in boxing for people to say it.

nomadchocolate

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

It's a pretty commonly held sentiment in combat sports "you're not really a champion until you defend a title".

It's not something I agree with, but it's not that out there of an opinion. It's really common in boxing for people to say it.

I don't think you can be considered a champion unless you have defended your belt a dozen times and it's gone the distance in each fight. Only then can you even consider calling yourself a champion

Subcomandante Marcos

nomadchocolate wrote: »

I don't think you can be considered a champion unless you have defended your belt a dozen times and it's gone the distance in each fight. Only then can you even consider calling yourself a champion

Going the distance? Couldn't finish his dinner, he's no champion.

sonofenoch

What the **** excuses will be thrown up when he knocks Alvarez clean out.....yeah but no but blah blah blah