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The One About Optimum Strategies for Co-Op Content...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    Also, this...

    Yu-Gi- Oh Shadow Realm floor map

    Green spots are safe, red ones are either ramp (R) or holes (H). Starting from the bottom to the top.

    ZfkRQBJ.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,465 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Also, this...

    Yu-Gi- Oh Shadow Realm floor map

    Green spots are safe, red ones are either ramp (R) or holes (H). Starting from the bottom to the top.

    https://i.imgur.com/ZfkRQBJ.jpg

    Without the position of the blockers it is missing a key piece of info.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    DO YOU EVEN MS EXCEL?!?!?!. Notice the slightly darker lines

    Also, general pro tip from watching tonnes and tonnes of YT vids: Somehow get the Raid Rocket Launcher or another one with Clusterbombs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,465 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    DO YOU EVEN MS EXCEL?!?!?!. Notice the slightly darker lines

    Also, general pro tip from watching tonnes and tonnes of YT vids: Somehow get the Raid Rocket Launcher or another one with Clusterbombs

    I did not notice the slightly darker lines, no.

    Have the raid rocket launcher but no decent level on to put in to it. Highest I can get it is 289 by sacrifcing Wordiff Coil plus putting a mod into it.

    Whats the use case for it? Merciless or Sword (?) vs Dogs. Merciless vs Bathers. No need in Gauntlet - is it just for shield damage vs Calus? Can't imagine it doing effecient DPS vs Calus when not dealing with shield


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    Dogs and Calus damage, especially when combo'd with Rally Barricade

    Basically all the 1-cycle, limited man runs, 1-minute runs etc etc all seem to be using it

    Examples below:





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    Given the Gauntlet and Baths can be done by basically any class.
    Whats the optimum Raid comp for the boss?
    I'm thinking 2x2x2 more or less, but with a slight preference to Warlocks for their Rifts

    Team Teleport:
    1x Warlock with Healing Rift for during the Clappy Shield
    1x Gunslinger Hunter with Celestial Nighthawk from dropping the Clappy Shield on command
    1x Roaming Super (any class I guess?) - if it's another Warlock, can drop empowering rift during DPS

    Team Suck:
    1x Stormcaller Warlock with shooty orbs and healing for skulls
    1x Titan with Rally Baricade for reloading
    1x Rally Barricade/Empowering Rift for DPS & Nova Bomb to throw at boss/Golden Gun with CN for Boss Damage


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,710 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Given the Gauntlet and Baths can be done by basically any class.
    Whats the optimum Raid comp for the boss?
    I'm thinking 2x2x2 more or less, but with a slight preference to Warlocks for their Rifts

    Team Teleport:
    1x Warlock with Healing Rift for during the Clappy Shield
    1x Gunslinger Hunter with Celestial Nighthawk from dropping the Clappy Shield on command
    1x Roaming Super (any class I guess?) - if it's another Warlock, can drop empowering rift during DPS

    Team Suck:
    1x Stormcaller Warlock with shooty orbs and healing for skulls
    1x Titan with Rally Baricade for reloading
    1x Rally Barricade/Empowering Rift for DPS & Nova Bomb to throw at boss/Golden Gun with CN for Boss Damage

    You need 1 titan for the barricade when shooting the skulls too to make sure you get more quicker instead of losing some when reloading :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    Whatever. I don't have a Titan. You know what I mean :D
    Flashbacks to Sniper calling it "Ward of Dawn" in VoG.... I was like "Is that the damage bubble?, yeah, use that thing"


  • Registered Users Posts: 830 ✭✭✭nevelator


    jonnycivic wrote: »
    You need 1 titan for the barricade when shooting the skulls too to make sure you get more quicker instead of losing some when reloading :D

    Would AoE grendades work for the skulls, like when you throw one at a door as the enemies come out?


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,710 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    nevelator wrote: »
    Would AoE grendades work for the skulls, like when you throw one at a door as the enemies come out?

    I threw down a few nades but didnt notice them taking out skulls so not 100% on that, however the tall titan shield will also kill them if the skulls float through it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭dudeeile


    Team Suck:
    1x Stormcaller Warlock with shooty orbs and healing for skulls
    1x Titan with Rally Baricade for reloading
    1x Rally Barricade/Empowering Rift for DPS & Nova Bomb to throw at boss/Golden Gun with CN for Boss Damage
    jonnycivic wrote: »
    You need 1 titan for the barricade when shooting the skulls too to make sure you get more quicker instead of losing some when reloading :D

    Think all bases are covered.
    nevelator wrote: »
    Would AoE grendades work for the skulls, like when you throw one at a door as the enemies come out?

    Doubt it but it would make it seriously handy.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,710 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    dudeeile wrote: »
    Think all bases are covered.

    Doubt it but it would make it seriously handy.


    Sorry I should have said 1 titan needs to have the barricade for the plates aswell and throw it down on plate 2/3.


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,421 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    I tried vortex grenade on the skulls a few times and it didn't work.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,989 ✭✭✭OptimusTractor


    nevelator wrote: »
    Would AoE grendades work for the skulls, like when you throw one at a door as the enemies come out?

    Admit it Nev you really wanted to say tripmines.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    And here's why I was so glad I got the Raid Rocket Launcher last night



  • Registered Users Posts: 467 ✭✭Dave1711


    And here's why I was so glad I got the Raid Rocket Launcher last night


    Dayum got the raid rocket off the clan engram yesterday


  • Registered Users Posts: 830 ✭✭✭nevelator


    Map courtesy of Reddit for the Calus shadow realm team.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    Awesome. I wanna give the Shadow Realm a bash next time. #HailKaiba


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,989 ✭✭✭OptimusTractor


    All I see is a drone/doom song being done on guitar hero.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    So Calus has been 2 manned.
    Some very handy idea/tips and stuff around Voidlock Devour use, Warcliff Coil use and a Team Teleport "cheese"
    I actually watched the 3 man kill 1st, and I think there's value in watching both, especially as what happens in the shadow realm changes between vids





  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,710 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Just to follow up on the Grenades on the teleport section, when your in the teleport section/realm:

    I tested out a couple of ways and the only one that worked was that if you look on the ground on front of him you will see a couple of tiles slighted ramped up towards the floaty head. Well dont nade the middle one, instead go either side of that and it will take out a few of the skulls. Another option JCD noted was to use risk runner and arc nade yourself to get the chain damage. Both work very well :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 830 ✭✭✭nevelator


    From Reddit. Different version of Leviathan underbelly map; to forage for the drops that we already should have just got!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    Came here for pro strats.... left with Salt


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,470 ✭✭✭SolvableKnave


    After running each Raid Challenge twice, and beating Calus once, I can say with absolute certainty that the #1 pro strat is DON'T DIE.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    After running each Raid Challenge twice, and beating Calus once, I can say with absolute certainty that the #1 pro strat is DON'T DIE.

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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,710 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    After running each Raid Challenge twice, and beating Calus once, I can say with absolute certainty that the #1 pro strat is DON'T RAID.

    FYP :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    Calus DPS stuff



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,465 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Seeing talk of double autos.

    I would like to try that out on my titan but I am generally in Team Suck - and I reckon I 100% need a scout rifle for dealing with those Psions. They are enough of a problem as is.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,710 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Seeing talk of double autos.

    I would like to try that out on my titan but I am generally in Team Suck - and I reckon I 100% need a scout rifle for dealing with those Psions. They are enough of a problem as is.

    I use the scathelock (sp) on the psions and they drop handy enough once you catch them as they spawn.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,465 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    jonnycivic wrote: »
    I use the scathelock (sp) on the psions and they drop handy enough once you catch them as they spawn.

    close one fine - hitting the cross map one I'd be more concerned about (talking about the normal psions, not the projection ones).

    Find you have to go cross map on round 3 and 4 as they go into cover on left and right making 'your' one very hard to deal with.

    I'm not saying it can't be done with an auto - but i'd worry about it adding an element of risk to my role in the raid that I would prefer to mitigate as much as possible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,726 ✭✭✭sniper_samurai


    Seeing talk of double autos.

    I would like to try that out on my titan but I am generally in Team Suck - and I reckon I 100% need a scout rifle for dealing with those Psions. They are enough of a problem as is.

    I was using Origin Story and Uriels Gift with the Actium War Rig as my exotic. Worked very well with the War Rig returning 10% of the mag every 2 seconds. Was on team teleport.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,465 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    I was using Origin Story and Uriels Gift with the Actium War Rig as my exotic. Worked very well with the War Rig returning 10% of the mag every 2 seconds. Was on team teleport.
    indeed - my impression is it is far more suited to team teleport, or even the player who takes the central position on team suck - so that their psion is always in front.

    Maybe an auto will do the job with no issues on the cross map psion (it isn't that far) but I'd be apprehensive about ruining a run on the experiment.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,710 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    indeed - my impression is it is far more suited to team teleport, or even the player who takes the central position on team suck - so that their psion is always in front.

    Maybe an auto will do the job with no issues on the cross map psion (it isn't that far) but I'd be apprehensive about ruining a run on the experiment.

    Ah man its no issue to get the cross ones, i do be in the middle and can pop the middle lad then turn on the others if needed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,470 ✭✭✭SolvableKnave


    Calus DPS stuff

    A good AR for Primary.
    Sweet Bizzness or Coldheart for Energy.
    Raid Rocket for Power.

    Check. Check. Check.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,989 ✭✭✭OptimusTractor


    A good AR for Primary.
    Sweet Bizzness or Coldheart for Energy.
    Raid Rocket for Power.

    Check. Check. Check.

    Sweet business is a kinetic weapon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,470 ✭✭✭SolvableKnave


    Sweet business is a kinetic weapon.

    Your right. Don't know why I thought it was Solar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    Clever Clever creature

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    Doubt there will be a whole pile of changes between Normal and Hard Mode tbh
    Bit disapointing really, but I haven't been a big fan of this Raid perosnally anyway
    We do not expect everyone to be successful in completing this activity. Mechanical changes to the encounters are minimal, but they are there. The Prestige Raid is about mastering a more punishing sandbox. Our goal is not to provide a boon to your character progression, but there are unique rewards to help you shine. Consider this your invitation to prove to the world that you are among the very best of the Raiders who overlook the City.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,465 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Doubt there will be a whole pile of changes between Normal and Hard Mode tbh
    Bit disapointing really, but I haven't been a big fan of this Raid perosnally anyway

    Considering the raid design, disappointing it doesn't look like there will be new encounters in the hard mode. Doubly disappointing that beyond cosmetic things the hardmode doesn't look like it will offer a reason to do it over the very beatable normal mode.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    It's been by far and away the worst of all 5 Raids imho. But I've went down that rathole enough already


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,989 ✭✭✭OptimusTractor


    You'd think the shadow realm teleport would be random like Atheon checkpoint.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    Since Petking asked for videos

    The order of the 1st 3 encounters changes weekly.

    DO NOT PUNCH THE 4x PSIONS AT THE CALUS ENCOUNTER LIKE HE DOES IN HIS CALUS VIDEO









  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    Some pro tips for Calus
    tl;dr: There are two DPS timers, a per plate timer (started by jumping on a plate) and an overall timer (started once Calus' shield pops). Taking your time to start DPS causes the overall DPS timer to cut into your 4th plate timer. So start on blades or dogs, and head to it as soon as you're back in the throne room.

    Ran into this a lot last night while helping Calus runs, especially in groups trying to one phase. Lots of teams were having really short timers on the 4th plate, and the cause was always the same: They started DPS from Sun or Chalice, and took their sweet time getting ammo / waiting for everyone to group up before starting the DPS phase.

    The issue here is there are two timers during the DPS phase:
    - A per plate timer, activated by jumping on a plate.
    - An overall DPS phase timer, activated after popping Calus' shield.

    Taking too long either due to scrounging ammo before hopping up on a plate, or having Shadow team run aaaalllll the way up to Chalice or Sun from the back of the room where they spawn in, wastes valuable time and will cause the overall DPS timer to cut into your 4th plates timer.
    So start on Dogs or Blades for ease of access, book it straight to the plate as a Shadow Team member, and rotate from there.
    A couple other misconceptions during the DPS phase:
    Stagger/Transition animations do not cause Calus to go immune. Active plates are the only thing that matters. If you're getting "Immune" early it's because someone activated the plate early/jumped over it, or you've run out of Buff on the 4th plate.
    You can damage him through everything, as long as you're plate buff is active: Chest/armor transitions, staggers, plate nukes, plate cannons, & lava attacks.
    And another good point for decision making brought on by u/boogs34 question:

    If the plate goes immune and he is still recovering from damage and hasn't yet shot at you with his cannon what do you do? Go to next plate (because then he will aim at that plate!) or just stand and wait?

    When confronted with this situation, hop off plates and collect ammo, then jump up to next plate after he stands up and gets his shot off. Losing a couple seconds off a plate > Losing an entire plate after a couple seconds


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,870 ✭✭✭✭Generic Dreadhead


    Handy
    On Pleasure Gardens, your feet need to be touching the ground for damage stacks.

    I was doing **** damage on dogs on prestige tonight. I watched my capture to try and figure out what was wrong, and found out that, you lose your stacks after a short delay when you jump up, and gain it back after touching back to ground (a single jump wouldn't cause problems).
    I thought I was being smart by standing on a structure to avoid small dogs.... Turns out that was NOT smart.
    P.S. Also you still lose damage stacks after dodging sometimes (not always). I thought they had fixed it; apparently not.


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