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Making A Murderer [Netflix - Documentary Series]
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Why does opening the door in a towel mean anything? How credible is the statement anyway given all the lies about him. I'd say there were a lot of people very jealous of him (the settlement). You aren't a murderer because someone doesn't like you. And maybe he was odd to teresa, a poor man, once convicted of a heinous crime and locked up for 18 years. Would you not be a bit odd? How many people go through that?
Why would steven, on the brink of a big financial settlement, murder a woman that had an appointment to be with him so he would be the last person to see her and leave her bones in a burn p it on his property?
How can anyone not believe this was a set up? The piece of incriminating evidence, the key, was found by the man that Steven's release had made a total fool of and the man he was suing. And found after so many prior searches. And it didn't even have Teresa's dna on it. So Steven wiped hers off and left his on it?
If you look at his demeanour in prison now and compare it to when he was in for the assault he never did, it is exactly the same.
Love that this is getting so much publicity
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Just finished watching it last night, in my opinion.. it's one of the best docu-series I've have ever watched. So many questions though...
That Kratz fellow, HIS VOICE!!!
I was a bit dumbfounded to say the least when Fassbender was asked ''Is Steven Avery the only person being investigated?'' He answered no... THEN WHO WAS?
Also the situation with the voicemail's and her brother not being able to recall whether or not he deleted some of them... dodgy
So glad Netflix decided to create the series really hope something comes out of it!0 -
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He really was a piece of fooking merde wasn't he. Anyone else find Teresa's brother and ex boyfriend odd? Was it her ex that was able to hack into her phone and delete messages and no one said anything.
I can't stop thinking about it all day. I feel so sorry for Steve Averys mother and father, the amount of ****e they have had to put up and the strength that they show is unbelievable
I did find it odd how her brother was always there in front of the media, saying he didn't believe Steven or Brendan and how they were both liars, etc. before there had even been a conviction. I know most families in these situations usually appoint a spokesperson who does media-related stuff on behalf of the rest of the family, but I just found his steadfast belief in their guilt strange. I would have thought families usually just say something along the lines of "I hope we see justice at the end of all this"/"It's a horrible ordeal for our family", etc. But he seemed to be really involved in pushing the prosecution's agenda in the media.
I thought the ex-boyfriend's eagerness to be at the forefront of searches for Teresa unusual too. Wasn't there something about how he was allowed onto the property even though it was supposed to have been sealed? He also was never asked for an alibi for when Teresa went missing either, which just sounds like bad practice on the part of the police.
It's all just speculation really though. I thought both of those characters were a bit off, but that's a stick people used to beat Steven Avery with too. Like I said before, I find it very hard to be convinced either way. I'd kind of be thinking along the same lines as that one juror who spoke to the filmmakers - there's still a great deal of reasonable doubt.
I read an interview with the filmmakers where they said that Steven's mum used to bring new clothes with her to his court appearances so that he'd have something to wear should he get released.
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Mightydrumming wrote: »Just finished watching it last night, in my opinion.. it's one of the best docu-series I've have ever watched. So many questions though...
That Kratz fellow, HIS VOICE!!!
I was a bit dumbfounded to say the least when Fassbender was asked ''Is Steven Avery the only person being investigated?'' He answered no... THEN WHO WAS?
Also the situation with the voicemail's and her brother not being able to recall whether or not he deleted some of them... dodgy
So glad Netflix decided to create the series really hope something comes out of it!
Oh God yeah, that snivelling little whiney voice hahaha.
The brother was odd, talking about letting the family grieve when there was no body and she was still presumed to be alive but missing. Very odd statement indeed.
Tbe ex bf hacking into her voicemail and deleting messages. Why???
And that colburn idiot calling in Teresa's plates before the car was found and knowing the model year. He was lying through his teeth. What if it was a car accident that he stumbled across and decided to frame the guy that was about to bring down his very department? What if Teresa's family (tbe brother) were offered money to go along with a setup. The sheriff etc were dodgy after all.
Teresa's family were in on it if you adk me. How did they find her car in 25mins in a 40 acre site? They were told go look in that spot by the people that out it there. The aunt or whoever she was lied under oath in my opinion. She said no one told her where to look, yet her reasoning for looking in that specific area was so vague.and why was she given a camera? No other searcher was given that by the ex and the flatmate.
Also, the brother was seen laughing and smiling throughout. The only time he showed any emotion was when he was telling the jury to convict Avery. It was the only time he seemed upset in all his footage, even when he talked about grieving for her.0 -
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I got an email from the knobhead that is Kratz this morning, using a fake email address. Told him I was a journalist and he sent me back this
Examples for you to consider:
1. Avery's past incident with a cat was not "goofing around". He soaked his cat in gasoline or oil, and put it on a fire to watch it suffer.
2. Avery targeted Teresa. On Oct 31 (8:12 am) he called AutoTrader magazine and asked them to send "that same girl who was here last time." On Oct 10, Teresa had been to the Avery property when Steve answered the door just wearing a towel. She said she would not go back because she was scared of him (obviously). Avery used a fake name and fake # (his sister's) giving those to the AutoTrader receptionist, to trick Teresa into coming.
3. Teresa's phone, camera and PDA were found 20 ft from Avery's door, burned in his barrel. Why did the documentary not tell the viewers the contents of her purse were in his burn barrel, just north of the front door of his trailer?
4. While in prison, Avery told another inmate of his intent to build a "torture chamber" so he could rape, torture and kill young women when he was released. He even drew a diagram. Another inmate was told by Avery that the way to get rid of a body is to "burn it"...heat destroys DNA.
5. The victim's bones in the firepit were "intertwined" with the steel belts, left over from the car tires Avery threw on the fire to burn, as described by Dassey. That WAS where her bones were burned! Suggesting that some human bones found elsewhere (never identified as Teresa's) were from this murder was NEVER established.
6. Also found in the fire pit was Teresa's tooth (ID'd through dental records), a rivet from the "Daisy Fuentes" jeans she was wearing that day, and the tools used by Avery to chop up her bones during the fire.
7. Phone records show 3 calls from Avery to Teresa's cell phone on Oct 31. One at 2:24, and one at 2:35--both calls Avery uses the *67 feature so Teresa doesn't know it him...both placed before she arrives. Then one last call at 4:35 pm, without the *67 feature. Avery first believes he can simply say she never showed up (his original defense), so tries to establish the alibi call after she's already been there, hence the 4:35 call. She will never answer of course, so he doesn't need the *67 feature for that last call.
8. Avery's DNA (not blood) was on the victim's hood latch (under her hood in her hidden SUV). The SUV was at the crime lab since 11/5...how did his DNA get under the hood if Avery never touched her car? Do the cops have a vial of Avery's sweat to "plant" under the hood?
9. Ballistics said the bullet found in the garage was fired by Avery's rifle, which was in a police evidence locker since 11/6...if the cops planted the bullet, how did they get one fired from HIS gun? This rifle, hanging over Aver's bed, is the source of the bullet found in the garage, with Teresa's DNA on it. The bullet had to be fired BEFORE 11/5---did the cops borrow his gun, fire a bullet, recover the bullet before planting the SUV, then hang on to the bullet for 4 months in case they need to plant it 4 months later???
There is more of course. But I'm not a DA anymore. I have no duty to show what nonsense the "planting" defense is, or why the documentary makers didn't provide these uncontested facts to the audience. You see, these facts are inconsistent with the claim that these men were framed---you don't want to muddy up a perfectly good conspiracy movie with what actually happened, and certainly not provide the audience with the EVIDENCE the jury considered to reject that claim.
Finally, I engaged in deplorable behavior, sending suggestive text messages to a crime victim in Oct 2009. I reported myself to the OLR. My law license was thereafter suspended for 4 months. I have withstood a boat-load of other consequences as a result of that behavior, including loss of my prosecution career. However, I've enjoyed sobriety from prescription drug use for over 5 years now, and refuse to be defined by that dark time of my life. All of this occurred years after the Avery case was concluded...I'm unclear why the defense-created documentary chose to include this unpleasantness in this movie, especially if the filmmakers had no agenda to cast me as a villian. I am not a victim in that whole texting scandal---then again, it's exceedingly unfair to use that to characterize me as morally unfit.
To identify Lt. Lenk, Sgt. Colburn and myself as being "responsible" for the framing and knowing false murder conviction of Steven Avery is irresponsible, and inconsistent with a consideration of all the evidence presented. Netflix should either provide an opportunity for rebuttal, or alert the viewers that this series was produced by and FOR the defense of Steven Avery, and contains only the opinion and theory of the defense team.
Thanks for your consideration.
Ken
The last paragraph, he refrains from saying they didn't frame him. How odd. Just says it is irresponsible. Now that is telling!!!
I'd say that is a standard repmy he is sending every 'journalist'
Of course he rang her that day, she was due to come over and in other reports she was late so calling her is not odd at all.0 -
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Sunflower 27 wrote: »Oh God yeah, that snivelling little whiney voice hahaha.
Every time I heard it I cringed!Sunflower 27 wrote: »Tbe ex bf hacking into her voicemail and deleting messages. Why???
Very strange... there was no mention of any interrogations carried out towards the ex, not even an alibiSunflower 27 wrote: »And that colburn idiot calling in Teresa's plates before the car was found and knowing the model year
Forgot about that, in my opinion that was a key element in the trial but of course nothing came out of it.
You have to put your hands up to Steven's defence team, tremendous job considering the outcome. I still can't work out how the $400,000 lasted the duration!!0 -
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