Making A Murderer [Netflix - Documentary Series]

Dots1982

Watching Ep 4, I'm sorry this kid Brendan is a whole new level of stupid.

And as for the accused getting a fair trial, laughable.

The law in this PD are in the business of getting convictions. Doesn't matter who gets convicted.

J. Marston

Finished it. What do people think?

I'm really not sure about Avery. Could be innocent or guilty, I just can't make my mind up. I believe Dassey is 100% innocent though. Depressing to see how much that kid was fúcked over by the law.

Slippin Jimmy

On episode 6 now. Its so well done. I'm taking my time watching them and really really enjoying them.

I felt sorry for that fella Brendan. They really took advantage of him.

Checkmate19

Its scary stuff.

Vodkat

I just binge watched MaM and feel in a place of limbo after it, completely undecided about whether Steven is guilty or not. I think the way the documentary is depicted is biased towards innocence and they apparently left out some crucial evidence. I know that polygraph tests are inadmissible in court but there are a few people that I would love to see them carry out a polygraph on!

finglashoop

Vodkat wrote: »

I just binge watched MaM and feel in a place of limbo after it, completely undecided about whether Steven is guilty or not. I think the way the documentary is depicted is biased towards innocence and they apparently left out some crucial evidence. I know that polygraph tests are inadmissible in court but there are a few people that I would love to see them carry out a polygraph on!

Ill try this with out trying to spoil

What sort of crucial evidence are they leaving out? would they have just left it out to suit theie narrative of innocence. I thought both were brought with circumstantial evidence. I thought it was balanced in as much as both got screen time presenting case in court / press conferences.

I was aware of this case through a podcast but the watching of it is surreal to think its possible.

What fantastic TV… somewhere between episodes 4 and 6 I've vacillated completely; but with so many conflicting possibilities and agendas and motives this is never going to be resolved.

At the end of the day so many personal tragedies and lives destroyed. Feels like the victim, Teresa Halbach, has been lost to the intrigue though. This must be a very difficult time for her family.

Terrifying… and for sure it's happened before and will again.

Vodkat

finglashoop wrote: »

Ill try this with out trying to spoil

What sort of crucial evidence are they leaving out? would they have just left it out to suit theie narrative of innocence. I thought both were brought with circumstantial evidence. I thought it was balanced in as much as both got screen time presenting case in court / press conferences.

I was aware of this case through a podcast but the watching of it is surreal to think its possible.

Don't want to spoil either so won't post the email on here but a Reddit user contacted Ken Kratz about the docuseries and he informed the user of some evidence that was not included in the series. It's an interesting read too, however I cannot fully believe Ken. i am swayed more in the direction of innocence but there's something that doesn't sit well with me.

if Avery is not responsible then who is? It would take an awful lot of planning to frame him. Its very coincidental that Threasa would go missing after Avery being the last person to see her. But on the other hand I think her ex boyfriend is a shady character! I completely agree that most of the evidence is circumstantial and there are HUGE conflicts of interest throughout. I would just love to see Steven Avery polygraph tested

I also agree with Cali girl that the victim does seem to get lost throughout and the main focus is on the police and the accused. I'm off now to binge watch Staircase!

Sunflower 27

sheep? wrote: »

That kept going through my head as well...where was the motive? They had absolutely no physical evidence of sexual assault, or psychological issues. All they had was dodgy evidence and conflicting witness statements.

Whether he's innocent or guilty is beyond me, but judging on the evidence presented in this documentary, I can't see how the guilty verdict was given.

It's bloody depressing at times, but majorly compelling viewing. Watched it over two days. Could probably have done with an hour or two less.

As a slight aside and purely on the aesthetics of the documentary, the intro is magnificent. Especially the music.

Highly recommended viewing.

I totally agree with the intro. It is brilliant.

Am finding myself getting angrier and angrier watching this. The leading of Brendan re the 'head' had me raging.

Slippin Jimmy

Finished this off last night. I am truly disappointed with the ending, not because how it was made, but because of the outcome.

Absolutely a must watch. The intro is brilliant like a lot of shows on Netflix.

Sunflower 27

Check out this statement by Kratz. He made my skin crawl throughout. It is clear these men truly thought they were invincible.

This clip shows Kratz up for the cretin he is.

http://stevenavery.org/ken-kratz-sex-scandal

Sunflower 27

horsebox09 wrote: »

Just on the fourth ep now, absolutely terrific so fat, finding it hard not to put my fist through my tele at tines, though!
"What happened to her head?", you'll be hard pressed to find a person being more coached into "confessing" to an act than in that video, genuine manipulation of a kid who'd make Forest Gump look like Einstein

I know. When he asked if they would be finished by 1.29 so he had to.w to hand in his school project. Oh my God. They made him feel as if he agreed to everything they coerced him into saying that he would be OK, just as long as he was "honest".

"What did he do to her head, what else and what else, and what else."

Where was his lawyer?

That interrogation should never have been allowed to stand.

I'm going to do a marathon today and this eve and watch it all.

And where is any blood or dna if Teresa was assaulted in the house?

I thought it interesting that the guy that did the e-fit drawing that helped convict Steven Avery the first time, later said dna evidence could be planted wgen Avery was freed because if dna evidence, and that appears to be exactly what happened with the key that just suddenly turned up on the floor of Steven's bedroom days after the initial search.

Unbelievable.

ASoberThought

Sunflower 27 wrote: »

Check out this statement by Kratz. He made my skin crawl throughout. It is clear these men truly thought they were invincible.

This clip shows Kratz

It's sick to watch this man. You can find the Kratz law firm by searching via Google and many people on reddit have even received a response when mailing him about the case.

Sunflower 27

ASoberThought wrote: »

It's sick to watch this man. You can find the Kratz law firm by searching via Google and many people on reddit have even received a response when mailing him about the case.

Really, do you have a link? Kratz makes me physically sick. He is so smug when that young Brendan 'confesses'.

I really hope the outrage reopens this case. I watched the confession again with Brendan. It is incredible that was even accepted as a confession.

Checkmate19

Excellent documentary. Very hard to watch at times. Watched it in two sittings just couldn't wait to see what happened. Netflix do some really great stuff. I think this is the best documentary i have ever seen.

Sunflower 27

Checkmate19 wrote: »

Excellent documentary. Very hard to watch at times. Watched it in two sittings just couldn't wait to see what happened. Netflix do some really great stuff. I think this is the best documentary i have ever seen.

Me too. I loved Steven's lawyers. They missed nothing.

El Inho

After watching....

Isn't it horrible to sit there thinking, this entire 10 hours or so have convinced me of this man's innocence, yet right now he sits in prison....

Incredible documentary though.

lukegriffen

I watched it in two sittings, riveting stuff. I thought the Avery family were very stoic, they held themselves v.well, always seemed v.composed. If that was me I would have gone out of my mind.

I skipped through most of episode 9 I was so sure of the jury verdict in the 1st case, wow. I would have loved to have heard an alternate view from a juror who was convinced of their guilt. For 12 people to convict, there must have been something substantial that wasn't obvious to the viewer

sheep?

lukegriffen wrote: »

I watched it in two sittings, riveting stuff. I thought the Avery family were very stoic, they held themselves v.well, always seemed v.composed. If that was me I would have gone out of my mind.

I skipped through most of episode 9 I was so sure of the jury verdict in the 1st case, wow. I would have loved to have heard an alternate view from a juror who was convinced of their guilt. For 12 people to convict, there must have been something substantial that wasn't obvious to the viewer

Remember that juror that was excused for family reasons? He said it was a 7-3 split in favour of not guilty when they took their first vote (with 2 undecided). Went on to talk about obstinate people etc.

carter10

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

That's hilarious, I was distracted by that too. I was trying to work out if it was Hurling or something else like lacrosse. It was nice.

Speaking of "did anyone else notice that", in episode 8 or 9, was I halllucinating or was

Andy Colburn escorting Brendan Dassey in court? It seems highly inappropriate but I'm pretty sure there was a shot of him sitting behind Brendan in his uniform, on the job.

I think it was hurlers: the top of lacrosse sticks are wider and the players tend to hold the sticks differently than hurlers i.e. one hand down the middle of the shaft.
Also that defense lawyer played minor with Wisconsin in the late 80s- good wristy corner forward!

Also noticed Andy Colburn in episode 9 definitely seemed inappropriate given the circumstances and only adds to the sense of shadiness of the proceedings. He also seems to be smirking. Really struck me that bit

Sunflower 27

Urgh.

http://www.kratzlawfirm.com

More cheese than a four-cheese pizza. Cretin.

Chocolate girl

Started last night watched 3 episodes. Very compelling can't wait to watch more tonight.

Sunflower 27

carter10 wrote: »

I think it was hurlers: the top of lacrosse sticks are wider and the players tend to hold the sticks differently than hurlers i.e. one hand down the middle of the shaft.
Also that defense lawyer played minor with Wisconsin in the late 80s- good wristy corner forward!

Also noticed Andy Colburn in episode 9 definitely seemed inappropriate given the circumstances and only adds to the sense of shadiness of the proceedings. He also seems to be smirking. Really struck me that bit

The bit where colburn is played the tape of the conversation about the licence plate numbers.... He was really bricking it. I want to know more about that bit. I feel that is the crucial bit. I think he found Teresa's car well before her family members were guided to it in a 40-hectare car dumping lot (and within 25mins) by the grace of God.

ASoberThought

The hacktivist group Anonymous have said they will now involve themselves in an effort to uncover evidence.

Sitec

Just finished this 5 minutes ago, great doc and very well done. So many unanswered questions though.

The blood container from the previous case really baffled me.

Have a huge dislike for Kratz and most of the cops interviewed under oath. Poor old Brendan got an awful going over to IMO.

PressRun

I hope Brendan's case is reviewed. The way the police interviewed him was outrageous and his lawyer didn't have his best interests at heart at all. He didn't seem mentally competent enough to cope with the situation. He was like a child, just saying what he thought the police wanted to hear in the hopes that he'd get to go back to school in time to present his project. He didn't understand the seriousness of his predicament at all.

Vodkat

ASoberThought wrote: »

The hacktivist group Anonymous have said they will now involve themselves in an effort to uncover evidence.

I really hope that this is true! i think the publicity that the show has been receiving over the past few days/week may encourage further investigation and review of the evidence.

Taboola

I binged watched this on Christmas day. Just couldn't stop watching. I came across this http://www.pajiba.com/netflix_movies_and_tv/is-steven-avery-guilty-evidence-making-a-murderer-didnt-present.php

I've put a quote from the link in spoiler tags.

In the months leading up to Halbach’s disappearance, Avery had called Auto Trader several times and always specifically requested Halbach to come out and take the photos.

Halbach had complained to her boss that she didn’t want to go out to Avery’s trailer anymore, because once when she came out, Avery was waiting for her wearing only a towel (this was excluded for being too inflammatory). Avery clearly had an obsession with Halbach.

I was firmly in the innocent camp until I read the above.

Also Starring LeVar Burton

Has anyone else watched Paradise Lost: The Child Murders At Robin Hood Hills (and it's sequels Paradise Lost: Revelations, Paradise Lost: Purgatory)? It's a HBO docu-series done over 15 years and it's very similar to Making A Murderer... There's a more recent documentary on the matter, West Of Memphis, but if you've seen neither Paradise Lost is a much better documentary than West of Memphis if you can track it down. Well worth the watch.

PressRun

Taboola wrote: »

I binged watched this on Christmas day. Just couldn't stop watching. I came across this http://www.pajiba.com/netflix_movies_and_tv/is-steven-avery-guilty-evidence-making-a-murderer-didnt-present.php

I've put a quote from the link in spoiler tags.

In the months leading up to Halbach’s disappearance, Avery had called Auto Trader several times and always specifically requested Halbach to come out and take the photos.

Halbach had complained to her boss that she didn’t want to go out to Avery’s trailer anymore, because once when she came out, Avery was waiting for her wearing only a towel (this was excluded for being too inflammatory). Avery clearly had an obsession with Halbach.

I was firmly in the innocent camp until I read the above.

I think it's difficult to be certain either way on his guilt, but I still

don't know how he was convicted in a court of law. His lawyers did a great job of creating reasonable doubt and I think there's a serious problem among juries who just don't understand what reasonable doubt means. I wouldn't be 100% sure on Avery's innocence, but I'm not 100% sure on his guilt either. On the basis that it's very difficult to say for sure what's true or what's been fabricated by the police, I don't think he should have been convicted. I definitely don't believe Brendan Dassey should be in prison. He didn't even understand what he was doing when he 'confessed'.