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The Tipperary GAA (Club and Intercounty) Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,277 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    I can't see why Hamill would start every game in the league at full back and then be dropped for the first round of championship. He's a nailed on starter imo barring injury aslong as he has a decent game against Cork.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭buggy beag


    Tyson Fury wrote:
    I can't see why Hamill would start every game in the league at full back and then be dropped for the first round of championship. He's a nailed on starter imo barring injury aslong as he has a decent game against Cork.


    Maybe to just expose him to it at a high level but not championship level with a view that he will be our full back from next year on?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,277 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    buggy beag wrote: »
    Maybe to just expose him to it at a high level but not championship level with a view that he will be our full back from next year on?

    Unlikely, Michael Ryan needs to best prepare for this season, I think we wants to play Barry in the half back line and has earmarked Hamill for full back. He's done ok to be fare to him.

    Barry is not a natural full back, doesn't play there for the club, I'd be worried if suddenly he was dropped back in there for the first championship game. It wouldn't reflect well on Michael Ryan either and won't do Hamill's confidence any good.

    Will be a good test for him against Cork and if he comes through it I'd fully expect him to start come championship.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭buggy beag


    Hard to know.barry might not be a natural full back but he can most definitely do a job there and at the minute i would have him in there instead of hamill.think next season we will see the best of tom but thats not to say he wont be starting either.
    You would wonder this sunday wheter the same cork team will show up.as last week considering they are already in the relegation final.might be good time for them to rest certain players or try certain new players so might not be the best test for young hamill this sunday.
    What would your defense be them barrett,hamill,cahill
    P Maher,barry,r maher


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 257 ✭✭dcrosskid


    buggy beag wrote: »
    Ya think hamill has done alright there but i would have barry in there for the championship and stick with ronan at centreback.if hamill fills out a bit next year and learns as he is going i would be trying him in the league again next year with a view to starting him in the championship next year.
    Mcgrath,ronan,breen,hamill,barrett were all on the minor team 2012 im sure im missing someone as well but not a bad return off that team.

    Barrett was overage in 2012. He was on it the 2 years previous. Fitzelle was centre forward for the replay & Sean Maher was full forward.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 257 ✭✭dcrosskid


    Tyson Fury wrote: »
    Unlikely, Michael Ryan needs to best prepare for this season, I think we wants to play Barry in the half back line and has earmarked Hamill for full back. He's done ok to be fare to him.

    Barry is not a natural full back, doesn't play there for the club, I'd be worried if suddenly he was dropped back in there for the first championship game. It wouldn't reflect well on Michael Ryan either and won't do Hamill's confidence any good.

    Will be a good test for him against Cork and if he comes through it I'd fully expect him to start come championship.

    James Barry is our best full back without question, Hamill while he is doing fine & holding his own is still a bit green as was shown in the last 10 mins of the Waterford match. He will be good back up but I am almost certain the full back line will be Barrett, Barry & Cahill. Paudie & Ronan Maher in the half back line then with probably Bergin, Heffernan to challenge. The midfield will probably stay the same as last Sunday. John McGrath, Bubbles, Callanan are imo definite's to start with Noel, Bonnar & Forde the next 3 favorites to make up the 6 forwards. Niall O Meara first sub in the forwards with Dan McCormack next by the looks of things.


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    Tyson Fury wrote: »
    I can't see why Hamill would start every game in the league at full back and then be dropped for the first round of championship. He's a nailed on starter imo barring injury aslong as he has a decent game against Cork.

    If that's the case its an early summer for us. He is in no way cut out for senior intercounty. Harsh but true. He was caught wandering numerous occasions on Sunday.

    He would want to stop persisting with Kenny or McCormack too. Both have offered nothing, but both highly rated ? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭buggy beag


    If next weeks match v cork was the championship would everyone on here start with or without bonnar?
    Never i thought i would be asking that question but his slump in form warrants it i think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭buggy beag


    dcrosskid wrote:
    Barrett was overage in 2012. He was on it the 2 years previous. Fitzelle was centre forward for the replay & Sean Maher was full forward.

    Cheers lad.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    Spot on. James Barry and John Meagher aside we have Breen, Paudie who can fill in the full back slot. perhaps Ronan Maher also

    Are you serious.? Ronan Maher full back? Paudie full back? Do you not remember the Gal way game in 14? Breen is doing fine at midfield why move him. John Meagher gets better every game he doesn't play. Totally unproven at this level. Barry is our full back with tossy as back up.


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    Are you serious.? Ronan Maher full back? Paudie full back? Do you not remember the Gal way game in 14? Breen is doing fine at midfield why move him. John Meagher gets better every game he doesn't play. Totally unproven at this level. Barry is our full back with tossy as back up.



    Tossy cant move his legs and wanders miles out the field?! Were you in Salthill on Sunday? The amount of times Galway had space in behind the half backs with a full back gone missing was cruel.

    Meagher should at least have been tried this league campaign and yes im using underage as the only barometer but im still confident he offers alot more then Hamill. He is a brilliant catcher and is a far better reader of the game and he has a bit more toughness and pace. The league was for trying out new players but it would seem Ryan is set on players who are clearly not going to amount to anything and it may be too late to do anything about it by the time he realises.

    The manager has made some utterly bizarre choices since the beginning of the league and now because of these decisions we're staring down the barrel of Div 1B. It would seem he is reading Premier-view for ideas in team selection because he is picking the likes of Dan McCormack and Conor Kenny who were never actually any good at underage for Tipp to begin with. Ken Hogans son is sub goalie ahead of Paul Maher??

    Im not saying move Breen, or play Ronan or Paudie back there but what i am saying is that id play all of those before id play Hamill. Yes Paudie had a bad game v Johnny Glynn in 2014, but id still prefer him back there then a slow lad who goes walkabout. If your not fast then at least hold your damn position.


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    buggy beag wrote: »
    If next weeks match v cork was the championship would everyone on here start with or without bonnar?
    Never i thought i would be asking that question but his slump in form warrants it i think.


    With Bonnar. People can knock him but i can guarantee that alot more dirty ball is turned over in the opposition 40 then when he isnt there. It came out as quick as it came in on Sunday. Yes, his finishing leaves alot to be desired and he really needs to improve on this but in order for him to improve he needs games. Our 1A future relies on a strong performance on Sunday and for that we arguably need our strongest team. At the end of the day it wouldnt be the end of the world to relegate but at the same time id rather be playing Kilkenny, Galway, Dublin and Waterford next year in the run up to the championship then (with all due respect) the likes of Kerry, Laois or Offaly.


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    buggy beag wrote: »
    Hard to know.barry might not be a natural full back but he can most definitely do a job there and at the minute i would have him in there instead of hamill.think next season we will see the best of tom but thats not to say he wont be starting either.
    You would wonder this sunday wheter the same cork team will show up.as last week considering they are already in the relegation final.might be good time for them to rest certain players or try certain new players so might not be the best test for young hamill this sunday.
    What would your defense be them barrett,hamill,cahill
    P Maher,barry,r maher


    If we win next Sunday we are more or less safe unless Galway go apeshít against Waterford (+8 vs -5 thus far).

    Our comfortable win over Dublin the first night is the difference really. Id take no chances, strongest team possible, go out and win. Cork are playing for confidence and pride now so id imagine will have a proper go Sunday having being buoyed by putting Kilkenny up by the pin of their collar. We need to get a monkey off our back Sunday. Hoping to see Seamie/Forde or both at some stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 357 ✭✭The Premier Man



    Ken Hogans son is sub goalie ahead of Paul maher .

    Is the sub goalie not mooney from annacarthy?


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    Is the sub goalie not mooney from annacarthy?

    Mooney was on the panel for the first two games but it has been Brian Hogan the last two games. in fairness to Mooney he has trimmed up and has came on an awful lot


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    No matter what happens on Sunday Cork will be in a relegation play-off. It doesn't leave them with much incentive.


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    feargale wrote: »
    No matter what happens on Sunday Cork will be in a relegation play-off. It doesn't leave them with much incentive.

    They shouldnt be taken lightly. They are Cork after all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭buggy beag


    With Bonnar. People can knock him but i can guarantee that alot more dirty ball is turned over in the opposition 40 then when he isnt there. It came out as quick as it came in on Sunday. Yes, his finishing leaves alot to be desired and he really needs to improve on this but in order for him to improve he needs games. Our 1A future relies on a strong performance on Sunday and for that we arguably need our strongest team. At the end of the day it wouldnt be the end of the world to relegate but at the same time id rather be playing Kilkenny, Galway, Dublin and Waterford next year in the run up to the championship then (with all due respect) the likes of Kerry, Laois or Offaly.


    Ya i thought bonnar had finally cracked the finishing part of his game last year or 2.really came on leaps and bounds with it.this year he doesn't seem to get in close enough always pulling the trigger to early but its still early in the year with a heavy pitch so in harder ground we will probably see a different bonnar(we hope anyway?.
    If everyone was fit and availble who would you have as your starting front 6 tg?
    Interesting point on premierview that maybe we should be playing certain formations similar to wford and kk.we should definitely being doing something different to close out games anyway.thoughts?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭buggy beag


    Defense has seven players:

    Barrett Hamill Cahill
    Barry
    Heffernan Ronan Maher Padi Maher
    Midfield:
    Breen along with Bergin (or Bren Maher if Bergin isn't an option there)
    Forwards:
    McGrath oDwyer
    McGrath Callanan O Meara

    Would go with a 1,3,1,3,2,2,3 formation. Not for the traditionalists but it's how a lot of intercounty and club teams line up these days! Was in a dressing room recently and d manager says ur wearing 15 but ur playing centre back along with..! It worked we won and the opposition hadn't a clue how we seemed to have players everywhere.

    It bypasses our half forward problem by reducing em. Midfield can double up as half forwards when the back is there meaning we can have four there at times.

    note;i copied and pasted this from premierview just to give an idea of what I was saying in my above post.thought anyone or do people feel we do something similar anyway or should we be doing this a lot more when we are leading and clock is ticking.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭OAOB


    Problem is that while we skip out our half forward line we still haven't consistent ball winners in our full forward line. Also the opposition half back line will have more space to drive the ball in to their forwards so could bypass Barry.

    I don't think we need to over complicate it, we need to win more 50/50 ball. Anyone know why Bergin was taken off at half time last weekend, he could be the exact type player we need up there


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭buggy beag


    OAOB wrote:
    Problem is that while we skip out our half forward line we still haven't consistent ball winners in our full forward line. Also the opposition half back line will have more space to drive the ball in to their forwards so could bypass Barry.

    OAOB wrote:
    I don't think we need to over complicate it, we need to win more 50/50 ball. Anyone know why Bergin was taken off at half time last weekend, he could be the exact type player we need up there


    I think a full forward line of callanan,j mcgrath and o meara would be well capable of winning their own ball.might not win it all the time but defo more than our half forwards would.
    Na no idea why he has taken off.got on plenty of ball but by god his striking at the posts is woeful.na he has been tried there before and never really worked out.he is better suited to the half back line maybe midfield at a push.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭OAOB


    buggy beag wrote: »
    I think a full forward line of callanan,j mcgrath and o meara would be well capable of winning their own ball.might not win it all the time but defo more than our half forwards would.
    Na no idea why he has taken off.got on plenty of ball but by god his striking at the posts is woeful.na he has been tried there before and never really worked out.he is better suited to the half back line maybe midfield at a push.

    I think Callanan would be better served operating in a two man full forward line, if he gets space he's lethal but defences will try crowd him out.

    What i like about Bergin is how he makes himself available for a pass with a lot of unselfish running through the defence. He's also good at spotting the open man. I don't remember his shooting being that poor but if it is he could probably be a good danger running aggressively at a defence and hopefully draw a free or find a andpass to a man in space. It's like the role we're asking Bonner to do but he just doesn't seem to be getting on the ball enough lately


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    Tossy cant move his legs and wanders miles out the field?! Were you in Salthill on Sunday? The amount of times Galway had space in behind the half backs with a full back gone missing was cruel.

    Meagher should at least have been tried this league campaign and yes im using underage as the only barometer but im still confident he offers alot more then Hamill. He is a brilliant catcher and is a far better reader of the game and he has a bit more toughness and pace. The league was for trying out new players but it would seem Ryan is set on players who are clearly not going to amount to anything and it may be too late to do anything about it by the time he realises.

    The manager has made some utterly bizarre choices since the beginning of the league and now because of these decisions we're staring down the barrel of Div 1B. It would seem he is reading Premier-view for ideas in team selection because he is picking the likes of Dan McCormack and Conor Kenny who were never actually any good at underage for Tipp to begin with. Ken Hogans son is sub goalie ahead of Paul Maher??

    Im not saying move Breen, or play Ronan or Paudie back there but what i am saying is that id play all of those before id play Hamill. Yes Paudie had a bad game v Johnny Glynn in 2014, but id still prefer him back there then a slow lad who goes walkabout. If your not fast then at least hold your damn position.

    I wasn't in Salthill Sunday but I was at the previous 3 games and saw enough in Tossy to suggest to me that he'll have a long career in the blue and gold. Barry is our full back but we've groomed a creditable backup.

    Regarding Meagher I can't comment because other than a couple of minor and u21 games I haven't seen enough of him. Fitzgibbon hurling is no barometer and the lad is beset by injury problems. I'll reserve judgment if its all the same to you.

    Regarding the league and Ryan's bizarre choices well John McGrath Breen and Ronan Mahers form would suggest to me that he is moulding a team. Not sure how we're staring down the barrels of relegation either. A win on Sunday puts us in the QF.


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    I wasn't in Salthill Sunday but I was at the previous 3 games and saw enough in Tossy to suggest to me that he'll have a long career in the blue and gold. Barry is our full back but we've groomed a creditable backup.

    Regarding Meagher I can't comment because other than a couple of minor and u21 games I haven't seen enough of him. Fitzgibbon hurling is no barometer and the lad is beset by injury problems. I'll reserve judgment if its all the same to you.

    Regarding the league and Ryan's bizarre choices well John McGrath Breen and Ronan Mahers form would suggest to me that he is moulding a team. Not sure how we're staring down the barrels of relegation either. A win on Sunday puts us in the QF.

    A defeat sees us having to go down to Cork to save our 1A status if Galway win.

    We've conceded 5 goals in the league and Hamill was dreadful for all 5. If he is set for a long career in the blue and gold then were in for some barren years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    A defeat sees us having to go down to Cork to save our 1A status if Galway win.

    We've conceded 5 goals in the league and Hamill was dreadful for all 5. If he is set for a long career in the blue and gold then were in for some barren years.
    And a win on Sunday puts us in QF.....if Galway win if we lose twice to cork if me aunt had balls etc....

    Hamill has played well and has gained valuable experience. We cant just disregard a lad on the basis of a couple of league games in early spring.


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    And a win on Sunday puts us in QF.....if Galway win if we lose twice to cork if me aunt had balls etc....

    Hamill has played well and has gained valuable experience. We cant just disregard a lad on the basis of a couple of league games in early spring.

    Im afraid we can, because if he is this bad during the winter when conditions suit such a slow player then wait til summer with the likes of Waterford and Kilkennys are attacking and parting him like the red sea. All well and good Ryan trying young lads but he has persisted with three who clearly arent up to it while others like Fitzelle who showed some promise are nowhere to be seen


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,073 ✭✭✭Xenophile


    A quote taken from Tipp FM. He sounds a little desperate. I suggest he learn from the Brian Cody handbook. No threats just action, not at all fair on players to be threatened. They are all doing their best.


    Players that don't perform to a sufficiently high standard for the county senior hurling team should expect to 'step out' of the side.

    That's according to Tipp boss Michael Ryan, who believes that the level of competition within the panel means that nobody can take their place for granted

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 996 ✭✭✭1eg0a3xv7b82of


    Xenophile wrote: »
    A quote taken from Tipp FM. He sounds a little desperate. I suggest he learn from the Brian Cody handbook. No threats just action, not at all fair on players to be threatened. They are all doing their best.


    Players that don't perform to a sufficiently high standard for the county senior hurling team should expect to 'step out' of the side.

    That's according to Tipp boss Michael Ryan, who believes that the level of competition within the panel means that nobody can take their place for granted

    It was always going to be a battle for Ryan.
    Tipp have players, like many other counties, that see themselves as equal or even superior to the manager.
    Cody holds Kilkenny in an iron grip and through his success is untouchable.
    For Ryan to make the hard decisions OShea for whatever reasons refused to, he will need the CB to back him 100%.
    Ryan must feel he can drop players from the squad and not be expected to answer to senior players just like in 2011 when declan Ryan dropped a certain player only to be told by the senior players to bring him back in 2012 or else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    Im afraid we can, because if he is this bad during the winter when conditions suit such a slow player then wait til summer with the likes of Waterford and Kilkennys are attacking and parting him like the red sea. All well and good Ryan trying young lads but he has persisted with three who clearly arent up to it while others like Fitzelle who showed some promise are nowhere to be seen

    Fitzelle is injured. Comparison between the Kilkenny attack and the Waterford attack is laughable. Del boy will have one in the full forward line.


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    Fitzelle is injured. Comparison between the Kilkenny attack and the Waterford attack is laughable. Del boy will have one in the full forward line.

    Waterford have a very explosive attack and tore us asunder when they ran at us. The only difference is experience and decoration. Waterford have excellent players with unbelievable pace. Colin dunsford being one and the likes of Patrick Curran or Shane Bennett included


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    Xenophile wrote: »
    A quote taken from Tipp FM. He sounds a little desperate. I suggest he learn from the Brian Cody handbook. No threats just action, not at all fair on players to be threatened. They are all doing their best.


    Players that don't perform to a sufficiently high standard for the county senior hurling team should expect to 'step out' of the side.

    That's according to Tipp boss Michael Ryan, who believes that the level of competition within the panel means that nobody can take their place for granted

    If he is true to his word then fair enough. Supporters demand success and that will be nature of it forever. Ryan has to handle things with the most ruthless efficiency. Unfortunately I'm not sure he actually knows the difference between poor and good players


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    Waterford have a very explosive attack and tore us asunder when they ran at us. The only difference is experience and decoration. Waterford have excellent players with unbelievable pace. Colin dunsford being one and the likes of Patrick Curran or Shane Bennett included

    Tipp have excellent players with unbelievable pace also. Although you'd have them cast aside after a couple of games. Curran and Bennett are completely unproven at this level. Not sure how you think Waterford tore us apart either. They won by 1 not 10 points and when its mattered we have had their measure. Your basing a hell of a lot on one league game played in March. Dunford is pacey but headless more often than not. Anyway enough about Waterford we'll see come the end of the year where we are at in relation to them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Clonmel1000


    If he is true to his word then fair enough. Supporters demand success and that will be nature of it forever. Ryan has to handle things with the most ruthless efficiency. Unfortunately I'm not sure he actually knows the difference between poor and good players

    Can you give us examples of Mick Ryan not knowing the difference between poor and good players?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭evolving tipperary


    The team lines out as follows;

    1. Darren Gleeson Portroe
    2. Cathal Barrett Holycross-Ballycahill
    3. James Barry Upperchurch-Drombane
    4. Conor O Brien ire g Annacarty
    5. Barry Heffernan Nenagh ire g
    6. Ronan Maher Thurles Sarsfields
    7. Padraic Maher Thurles Sarsfields
    8. Brendan Maher (Capt.) Borris-Ileigh
    9. Michael Breen Ballina
    10. John O Dwyer Killenaule
    11. Niall O Meara Kilruane MacDonaghs
    12. Noel McGrath Loughmore-Castleiney
    13. Kieran Morris Moycarkey-Borris
    14. John McGrath Loughmore-Castleiney
    15. Adrian Ryan Templederry Kenyons
    Subs:
    16. Brian Hogan Lorrha Dorrha
    17. Kieran Bergin Killenaule
    18. Seamus Callanan Drom & Inch
    19. Andrew Coffey Nenagh ire g
    20. Tom s Hamill Moyne-Templetuohy
    21. Dan McCormack Borris-Ileigh
    22. Liam McGrath Loughmore-Castleiney
    23. John Meagher Loughmore-Castleiney
    24. Daire Quinn Nenagh ire g
    25. Gear id Ryan Templederry Kenyons
    26. Willie Ryan Clonakenny


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭evolving tipperary


    1. Patrick Collins (Ballinhassig)
    2. Cillian Burke (Midleton)
    3. Stephen McDonnell (Glen Rovers) Captain
    4. Conor O Sullivan (Sarsfield)
    5. Cormac Murphy (Mallow)
    6. Christopher Joyce (Na Piarsaigh)
    7. Lorcan McLoughlin (Kanturk)
    8. Paul Haughney (Midleton)
    9. John Cronin (Lisgould)
    10. Brian Lawton (Castlemartyr)
    11. Bill Cooper (Youghal)
    12. Conor Lehane (Midleton)
    13. Luke O Farrell (Midleton)
    14. Seamus Harnedy (St Ita s)
    15. Patrick Horgan (Glen Rovers)

    Subs:
    16. Anthony Nash (Kanturk)
    17. Stephen Murphy (Blackrock)
    18. Shane O Neill (Bishopstown)
    19. Niall Cashman (Blackrock)
    20. Daniel Kearney (Sarsfield)
    21. William Egan (Kilbrin)
    22. Patrick Cronin (Bishopstown)
    23. Paidie O Sullivan (Cloyne)
    24. Alan Cadogan (Douglas)
    25. Stephen Moylan (Douglas)
    26. William Leahy (Aghada)


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    Can you give us examples of Mick Ryan not knowing the difference between poor and good players?

    Hamill, McCormack, Kenny. Hamill and McCormack have started 4 of the 5 games


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Rasputin11


    Hamill, McCormack, Kenny. Hamill and McCormack have started 4 of the 5 games

    Kieran Morris playing on Sunday.


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    Rasputin11 wrote: »
    Kieran Morris playing on Sunday.

    So I see. Good he deserves a crack. Done well for the inters last year. Good little sticksman but maybe too small but still though its good to try him. Cork may suit him down to pal. Clare have nimble lads, maybe we can bring through some of our own


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭Rasputin11


    Kieran Morris is miles off the standard required for county hurling, it's actually worrying that Ryan thinks he's worthy of playing in an important game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭dirtyden


    Hamill, McCormack, Kenny. Hamill and McCormack have started 4 of the 5 games

    I think you are being a bit harsh on Ryan and the three lads. Hamill is a bit green but certainly did not look too far out of place. He lacks a little in pace and positional sense but if he works on positioning I think he is a definite option at full back in the future. Kenny also showed some potential. This year looked too early for McCormack and he was a little out of his depth but I don't see the harm in giving a lad a try in an area of the field where we need more options. No-one else who has played in the half forward line has suggested they are the answer either.

    I like what Ryan has done in the league so far, he has tried out a lot of players in the areas we are weakest in. He seems to want to build a strong panel which I think was one of O'Shea's minor flaws, too much loyalty to the incumbents.


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    dirtyden wrote: »
    I think you are being a bit harsh on Ryan and the three lads. Hamill is a bit green but certainly did not look too far out of place. He lacks a little in pace and positional sense but if he works on positioning I think he is a definite option at full back in the future. Kenny also showed some potential. This year looked too early for McCormack and he was a little out of his depth but I don't see the harm in giving a lad a try in an area of the field where we need more options. No-one else who has played in the half forward line has suggested they are the answer either.

    I like what Ryan has done in the league so far, he has tried out a lot of players in the areas we are weakest in. He seems to want to build a strong panel which I think was one of O'Shea's minor flaws, too much loyalty to the incumbents.
    I've no issue with him trying out lads but he is seeing things in players that aren't there. Kenny took a rookie Dublin full back to school but done nothing since, McCormack has done absolutely nothing so far full stop and a lack of pace is a serious flaw in modern day hurling especially when you go wandering out the field like Hamill does

    I agree with you on what ryan is doing in comparison to EOS and I also agree that players should at least get two appearances but I can't fathom why he is persistent with the players he has tried. 4 games was way too much for McCormack and Hamill


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    Tipp have excellent players with unbelievable pace also. Although you'd have them cast aside after a couple of games. Curran and Bennett are completely unproven at this level. Not sure how you think Waterford tore us apart either. They won by 1 not 10 points and when its mattered we have had their measure. Your basing a hell of a lot on one league game played in March. Dunford is pacey but headless more often than not. Anyway enough about Waterford we'll see come the end of the year where we are at in relation to them.

    Hold on now, Bennett was excellent in the championship last year and he is only a boy.

    By referring to Waterfords pace my point was that we need quick backs ALL OVER to counteract this. Your reply is that Tipp have pacey players? Hamill ain't one, fact he isn't even adequate. Kenny not much better at the other end.

    How would they cope in the summer if they are like this in the winter? You completely missed my point


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    Rasputin11 wrote: »
    Kieran Morris is miles off the standard required for county hurling, it's actually worrying that Ryan thinks he's worthy of playing in an important game.

    He's worth a go at least. I've no issue with trying players once or twice but this blind loyalty is madness.


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    Grand day in thurles.mon da premier


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    I think Hamill has had a very good campaign - Not sure how he was at fault for the Galway goals as some have pointed out - I need examples how he was at fault - what happened - where he was...
    I do remember for the first goal - it beginning out on the wing and a long run where Heffernan was left for dust... - that said Heffernan had a fine game.
    Fitzelle came on and scored a point against a Dublin Team that had been ripped ope - and, in my estimation, didn't look look like a natural hurler in the process - but he it was a very fine strike. I would like to see more of him... - I'd imagine though that McCormack's fitness and aptitude leaves Fitzelle in the shadows in training - McCormack is well off the pace so far but has got a nice taste of it and up to him respond to what he has learned - needs to bulk up and get stronger under the ball.

    For me, so far - Hamill's performances and experience gained is a nice development.
    Ronan Maher has looked slick at center back - fantastic distribution and covers the wings. However, Galway (joe in particular) ran through the spine of the field several times last sunday. He didn't get one belt for it - disastrously soft belly there. If teams can do that against you - you'll win nothing.

    Breen has brought a hard edge and welcome to see - aggressive in his running and attitude. But, we still need an enforcer who not let anyone run through our midfield and past our half back line - - I would like to see Breen and Bonnar in midfield - i think it should be tried - it won't happen though.

    John McGrath has been playing very well - let the galway crowd get on top of him for a few frees and missed - but he'll learn from that. Looks to have excellent potential...
    Barry Heffernan looks very promising.
    We need to see more from B Maher and Bonnar - confidence and play is not where it should be.... - but, hopefully it will come when championship starts...

    Bergin had good movement - dropped which i think is harsh - but his touch is not there yet - it's certainly not forward sharp - games wil only solve that

    Adrian Ryan will be interesting to see again - needs to find his confidence at this level

    Kenny has improved at league level - got scores against Dublin and KK - suffered embarrassment against Galway - up to him to get build again.

    Can we say we've found the players we needed to find for the half forward line? No. - no outstanding center forward or wing forward who can mix it and win their ball.

    Breen for midfield, yes. Have we found the right partnership for midfield for championship - remains to be seen...
    I think Ryan did the right thing by taking Hamill out - BARRY ON Hardney - that's quite a challenge considering the form he is in

    Let's see how O'Meara - teh obvious candidate - goes at center forward today - would have liked to have seen him there all league - injury and university hurling forbid that


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    Seamus Kennedy on the bench instead of Meagher


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    Seamus Harnedy has been ruled out


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    Lorcan Mc Loughlin are replaced by Alan Cadogan


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    [font=Arial, sans-serif] Michael Breen with four points from play[/font]


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    2 changes at HT - Callanan and McCormack replace A.Ryan & Morris


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