The Tipperary GAA (Club and Intercounty) Thread

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Joe_ Public wrote: »

Got the 1st round qualifier bye anyway. Think that's a good thing. Four weeks in a row this time of year would have been a big ask.

That’s a complete contradiction, surely a game would be welcomed by the players to try and get going again

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malistheman wrote: »

Would have preferred a game against the likes of Laois to be honest. Maybe the break will be a good thing though

They had 14 months of an inter county break . Limerick played 2 games in 7 days

The Lost Sheep

1373 wrote: »

That’s a complete contradiction, surely a game would be welcomed by the players to try and get going again

But if you are looking at long term. If you were to have a game this weekend you are looking at 5 weeks in a row to win an all ireland and thats on pitches in November. Very tough going. Having the week off with no game here to recharge and reassess ahead of the qualifiers could be just what the players need

The Lost Sheep

1373 wrote: »

They had 14 months of an inter county break . Limerick played 2 games in 7 days

They havent had 14 months of a break and very different to Limerick as Limerick won their first game. Far easier to continue with the momentum from winning. Tipp have to reevaluate/reassess somewhat from yesterday

Joe_ Public

1373 wrote: »

That’s a complete contradiction, surely a game would be welcomed by the players to try and get going again

Contradiction? In what way? Didn't we see in the provincials that teams going four successive weeks fared less well? I'm not saying you can't argue for the benefits of a game next week, the possibility of being beaten aside, just on balance, that a 5 week run was not an appealing prospect. It's a long road either way, regardless.

Chalk McHugh

I'm glad Tipp got a bye to be honest. I know it was their first match in quite some time but yesterday will have sapped a lot energy out of the team: both physical and mental. The awful conditions will have added to the recovery needed. Also the whole covid stuff and travelling seperately and all the new 'rules' will have added to the fatigue. A two week break is just about right i feel. Lick their wounds, reassess and then one massive push for the next game.

BloodyBill

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

I'm glad Tipp got a bye to be honest. I know it was their first match in quite some time but yesterday will have sapped a lot energy out of the team: both physical and mental. The awful conditions will have added to the recovery needed. Also the whole covid stuff and travelling seperately and all the new 'rules' will have added to the fatigue. A two week break is just about right i feel. Lick their wounds, reassess and then one massive push for the next game.

Dunno I think they needed a game next wkend. If they drew Laois it would have been perfect. Hard to make big changes against Wexford or Cork.. or Clare or Dublin. And they need to experiment.

Coybig_

I think they need games to improve. Real danger of being caught cold again by a team with some games under their belt.

robbiezero

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Miles off the pace, I'd prefer a game next week to sharpen up. More games we play the better we'll get.

Crazy decision having won the toss to play into the wind.

I wouldn't agree with that. I don't think it made any difference.
We played with a gale in the Munster final last year in the first half and went in at half time down 2 points if I remember correctly and it was game over for us at that stage.

Bad and all as we were, we were close enough to being in a good position at half time. The goal was a killer and we finished the half very poorly. Limerick must have reeled off 3/4 points in the last few minutes of the half.

Had we played with the wind in the first half, I doubt we would have built up much of a lead and I think Limerick would have filletted us something wicked in the second half expecially when they unleash their bench.

formerlyET

Hogan's hesitancy over puck outs should be looked at it. He wasn't slow enough with them in the first half and wasn't fast enough with them in the second half. He seemed nervous with them. Contrast the Limerick goalkeeper - who for every free in that second half gave the hurl a very long wipe down and took an age to place a ball - running down the clock against a gale. Simple stuff.

Barry Hogan is very confident with puck outs. See his puck out for the winning goal in this year's county final.

Whether Barry's presence, aerial ability, and shot stopping ability is on par with Hogan is something, I don't know.

formerlyET

It wouldn't be the first time this team needed a loss (heavy loss) to get going.

Like I said before the game - surprising and exciting selection but as the weather developed, the imbalance in such a forward-orientated selection only further stressed the imbalance. That weather was given all week - no excuse.

I don't agree that we need to experiment - there's no time - we need to go back to the tried and trusted that have won All-Irelands.

Breen and Dan will come in. Bonner, injury permitting. O'Brien had a nightmare and lasted the game... John Meagher looked slow and was easily beaten for the third goal. Quigley is a young guy but the only specialist full back we have. That's the only experiment worth taking, imo.

Given Bubbles's last contribution in the club championship, it's a miracle he has got to the shape he is in. But I don't think he will feature to a high level in this championship. There's not enough time. He was injured for too long and pushed too hard - has had many setbacks - from ankle to hamstring - has had no luck. I feel sorry for him. He is very important to Tipp because he can open up defences - he has a very high assist rate.

At the league game against Waterford - Craig Morgan came on. He hasn't filled out yet, very slight in terms of weight. He went in corner back - he got a short puck out at one stage and tried to break the corner forwards tackle and break up the wing. Corner forward turned over possession and raced away with the ball, and you could hear Sheedy roaring 'Ah, Craig.' So, this ask of our corner backs has been around a while but when you've conditions like last Sunday - you've got to make sure you've got the men to do it. Not O'Brien/Barrett - Big men - Ronan, Paidi, Brendan - It's a small thing - why can't they make that brief change for puck outs - on our pucks outs paidi and ronan go to the corners to receive ball and cornerback goes to the wing and as soon as the puck out is over - revert. It's great believing in players but sometimes you've got to make sure of things. Limerick has a good halfback line, but they continually task their midfield/half forwards back to help them out. Doubling down on the strength of an area makes sense sometimes. Even if you've got to ask Breen or Dan to go back and do it - you've got to make sure the right men are in the right place to carry out a tactic. A hallmark of Sheedy and O'Shea's management is initial plans/tactics/team selections blowing up in their faces before finding the balance eventually. Due to the length of this championship and the lack of games - time is not on their side. But, they've done it before.

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formerlyET wrote: »

It wouldn't be the first time this team needed a loss (heavy loss) to get going.

Like I said before the game - surprising and exciting selection but as the weather developed, the imbalance in such a forward-orientated selection only further stressed the imbalance. That weather was given all week - no excuse.

I don't agree that we need to experiment - there's no time - we need to go back to the tried and trusted that have won All-Irelands.

Breen and Dan will come in. Bonner, injury permitting. O'Brien had a nightmare and lasted the game... John Meagher looked slow and was easily beaten for the third goal. Quigley is a young guy but the only specialist full back we have. That's the only experiment worth taking, imo.

Given Bubbles's last contribution in the club championship, it's a miracle he has got to the shape he is in. But I don't think he will feature to a high level in this championship. There's not enough time. He was injured for too long and pushed too hard - has had many setbacks - from ankle to hamstring - has had no luck. I feel sorry for him. He is very important to Tipp because he can open up defences - he has a very high assist rate.

At the league game against Waterford - Craig Morgan came on. He hasn't filled out yet, very slight in terms of weight. He went in corner back - he got a short puck out at one stage and tried to break the corner forwards tackle and break up the wing. Corner forward turned over possession and raced away with the ball, and you could hear Sheedy roaring 'Ah, Craig.' So, this ask of our corner backs has been around a while but when you've conditions like last Sunday - you've got to make sure you've got the men to do it. Not O'Brien/Barrett - Big men - Ronan, Paidi, Brendan - It's a small thing - why can't they make that brief change for puck outs - on our pucks outs paidi and ronan go to the corners to receive ball and cornerback goes to the wing and as soon as the puck out is over - revert. It's great believing in players but sometimes you've got to make sure of things. Limerick has a good halfback line, but they continually task their midfield/half forwards back to help them out. Doubling down on the strength of an area makes sense sometimes. Even if you've got to ask Breen or Dan to go back and do it - you've got to make sure the right men are in the right place to carry out a tactic. A hallmark of Sheedy and O'Shea's management is initial plans/tactics/team selections blowing up in their faces before finding the balance eventually. Due to the length of this championship and the lack of games - time is not on their side. But, they've done it before.

Any smart forward line will always allow the weakest back receive the short puck especially if he’s in the middle. But I believe most experienced Tipp players/management will know theirs only one time to go all out to beat limerick and that’s knockout hurling , that’s what I’m hoping anyway

Paddico

Any news on O'Brien or Bill Mahers injury for Saturdays game vs Limerick?

farmerval

formerlyET wrote: »

It wouldn't be the first time this team needed a loss (heavy loss) to get going.

Like I said before the game - surprising and exciting selection but as the weather developed, the imbalance in such a forward-orientated selection only further stressed the imbalance. That weather was given all week - no excuse.

I don't agree that we need to experiment - there's no time - we need to go back to the tried and trusted that have won All-Irelands.

Breen and Dan will come in. Bonner, injury permitting. O'Brien had a nightmare and lasted the game... John Meagher looked slow and was easily beaten for the third goal. Quigley is a young guy but the only specialist full back we have. That's the only experiment worth taking, imo.

Given Bubbles's last contribution in the club championship, it's a miracle he has got to the shape he is in. But I don't think he will feature to a high level in this championship. There's not enough time. He was injured for too long and pushed too hard - has had many setbacks - from ankle to hamstring - has had no luck. I feel sorry for him. He is very important to Tipp because he can open up defences - he has a very high assist rate.

At the league game against Waterford - Craig Morgan came on. He hasn't filled out yet, very slight in terms of weight. He went in corner back - he got a short puck out at one stage and tried to break the corner forwards tackle and break up the wing. Corner forward turned over possession and raced away with the ball, and you could hear Sheedy roaring 'Ah, Craig.' So, this ask of our corner backs has been around a while but when you've conditions like last Sunday - you've got to make sure you've got the men to do it. Not O'Brien/Barrett - Big men - Ronan, Paidi, Brendan - It's a small thing - why can't they make that brief change for puck outs - on our pucks outs paidi and ronan go to the corners to receive ball and cornerback goes to the wing and as soon as the puck out is over - revert. It's great believing in players but sometimes you've got to make sure of things. Limerick has a good halfback line, but they continually task their midfield/half forwards back to help them out. Doubling down on the strength of an area makes sense sometimes. Even if you've got to ask Breen or Dan to go back and do it - you've got to make sure the right men are in the right place to carry out a tactic. A hallmark of Sheedy and O'Shea's management is initial plans/tactics/team selections blowing up in their faces before finding the balance eventually. Due to the length of this championship and the lack of games - time is not on their side. But, they've done it before.

Last year our backs breaking tackles coming out with the ball worked superbly, put us on the front foot straight away, against Limerick it was never going to work especially with the weather conditions.
Another issue on Sunday was where were our half backs on Sunday in the second half, we rarely appeared to have the option of someone loose for a puck out 50m from goal. The Limerick half forwards were back in their half back line waiting for the long puck out.

In last years all Ireland Barrett was outstanding as the loose man, going forward if we have a sweeper (by our choice or the oppositions) you'd like to see Barrett tried as the man. His ability that day to close off space and his use of the ball were brilliant.

Last Sunday was one of those days, I don't believe any Tipp man could say he beat his man. Do think it was mad not starting at least one ball winner in the half forward line.

I don't think Breen is the answer to any question, would like to see Ger Brown or Willie Connors get a run in midfield.

Chalk McHugh

I like the physicality Breen brings to the game. It was badly needed in the half forward line last Sunday. If all were fit i'd go with a half forward line of Breen, Bonnar and Dan McCormack. Put Forde in the corner in place of Morris. Keep Morris, Bubbles, Kehoe etc in reserve until game opens up a bit.

Mantis Toboggan

robbiezero wrote: »

I wouldn't agree with that. I don't think it made any difference.
We played with a gale in the Munster final last year in the first half and went in at half time down 2 points if I remember correctly and it was game over for us at that stage.

Bad and all as we were, we were close enough to being in a good position at half time. The goal was a killer and we finished the half very poorly. Limerick must have reeled off 3/4 points in the last few minutes of the half.

Had we played with the wind in the first half, I doubt we would have built up much of a lead and I think Limerick would have filletted us something wicked in the second half expecially when they unleash their bench.

I'd always say play with the wind advantage at any level.

The likes of limerick to beat them you have to get ahead in the game and have them try to chase you. Like what kilkenny did last year. Once limerick get a 3/4 point lead they're almost unbeatable. You have to take them out of their rhythm.
We were so far off the pace on Sunday and had got so many match ups wrong it was never going to make a difference anyway.

Tipp like their half forward line to drop back into midfield - won't work against Limerick as you leave their half back line free. Once their half backs can look up and pick out a pass it's curtains. If any team is to beat limerick this year they'll pretty much have to man mark their half back line.

Chalk McHugh

I always thought the likes of Tipp and Kilkenny always play against the wind in first half if given the choice? I would too.

Chalk McHugh

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

I always thought the likes of Tipp and Kilkenny always play against the wind in first half if given the choice? I would too.

I can see why a team would. A bit like the other lad throwing first in darts. If you break his throw the first game and then hold your own, you'll win the set.

robbiezero

Deleted User wrote: »

I can see why a team would. A bit like the other lad throwing first in darts. If you break his throw the first game and then hold your own, you'll win the set.

Particularly if its your first game in a long time against a team who played the week before. Would have needed to hit the ground running straight away and start knocking up scores which would not have been ideal for a ring rusty team.

Desperately poor as we were, I think it worked. Had Keogh tapped over a simple point we would have been 5 down with around 25 minutes to play with a big wind behind us (at his point Dubs were 16 behind KK) and in with a great chance (assuming we started hurling a lot better which we didnt)

Its immaterial anyway, as everyone has said, we were so off the pace there is no combination of external factors would have made any difference, I actually think had we played with the wind in both halves, we would still have been beaten.

osullic

robbiezero wrote: »

Its immaterial anyway, as everyone has said, we were so off the pace there is no combination of external factors would have made any difference, I actually think had we played with the wind in both halves, we would still have been beaten.

I think that’s true. Limerick were unaffected by the conditions and would of performed excellently whether it was summer hurling or what we had last Sunday.

I had my doubts about us in the lead up to this match but when I saw the team I was convinced we had no hope.

The problem is what have we learned from this and the previous Munster final??

The team cannot be confident facing Limerick again if we get the opportunity. The hangover from this has to be massive.

I suppose the green shoots are we could have a fit Paudie the next day and hopefully Bonnar. It’s also unlikely Seamie will be left scoreless again. We’ll have a couple of games under the belt and haves burned off all the dirty diesel.

Who in the county can we get in the half forward line to stop the Limerick half back line and hinder the midfield?

Hopefully Liam, Eamonn and Tommy can come up with a plan.

robbiezero

osullic wrote: »

I think that’s true. Limerick were unaffected by the conditions and would of performed excellently whether it was summer hurling or what we had last Sunday.

I had my doubts about us in the lead up to this match but when I saw the team I was convinced we had no hope.

The problem is what have we learned from this and the previous Munster final??

The team cannot be confident facing Limerick again if we get the opportunity. The hangover from this has to be massive.

I suppose the green shoots are we could have a fit Paudie the next day and hopefully Bonnar. It’s also unlikely Seamie will be left scoreless again. We’ll have a couple of games under the belt and haves burned off all the dirty diesel.

Who in the county can we get in the half forward line to stop the Limerick half back line and hinder the midfield?

Hopefully Liam, Eamonn and Tommy can come up with a plan.

The green shots are that we have taken hidings in the past and recovered from them e.g. 2010, last year, even in 2017 as poor as we are after the league final hiding, we still gave Galway their toughest game and they needed a spectacular Canning effort in injury time to beat us.

The negative side of that is that Cork in 2010 were nowhere near this Limerick side and it is very hard to see how with a sort of in-between team that we can cope with the physicality and athleticism of this Limerick who are probably at their peak.

By in between I mean a lot of our great servants are probably past their prime and the new brigade is not really established yet.
You would hope that there is still one of two more kicks left in this team lead by those lads, and that there will be a soft handover as we build a new team around the likes of Ronan Maher, Barrett, John McGrath, Jake Morris, Dan Mc etc.

All that being said, we are a far better side than we showed last Sunday

Paddico

The Tipp Panel to play Limerick SF this Saturday

Tipperary (Munster SFC v Limerick): Evan Comerford; Alan Campbell, Jimmy Feehan, Colm O'Shaughnessy; Bill Maher, Kevin Fahey, Robbie Kiely; Conal Kennedy, Liam Casey; Jack Kennedy, Michael Quinlivan, Emmet Moloney; Jason Lonergan, Conor Sweeney, Colman Kennedy.

Subs: Michael O'Reilly, Tadhg Fitzgerald, Brian Fox, Jack Harney, Padraic Looram, Paudie Feehan, Riain Quigley, Shane Foley, Sean O'Connor, Kevin O'Halloran, Liam Boland.

Paddico

Stephen O Brien is injured but Bill Maher is good to start.
Not sure if Fox is carrying an knock, surprised he's not starting.

Anyone know where Liam McGrath is this season, dont think he played for Loughmore either

Pogue eile

Paddico wrote: »

Stephen O Brien is injured but Bill Maher is good to start.
Not sure if Fox is carrying an knock, surprised he's not starting.

Anyone know where Liam McGrath is this season, dont think he played for Loughmore either

Fox and Boland have been good off the bench but both are not options for 70 minutes in my opinion, Fox has actually been quite poor in a number of games, great option from the bench though and the team you finish with is almost as important as the team you start with, even more so in a tight game.

Liam McGrath is in Australia AFAIK

Paddico

Yeah I thought Boland was excellent the last day when he came on.

Still think Fox is one of our top performers. He was very good against Offaly and offered something when he came on against Clare

The White Feather

The ref in the ladies football game between Tipperary and Monaghan just robbed Tipp at the end from getting a draw. Really bad. I have said it for ages in Camogie and ladies football, the refs they have are all terrible. Most are unfit and this one tonight was terrible. I am not even from Tipp by the way!

giveitholly

The White Feather wrote: »

The ref in the ladies football game between Tipperary and Monaghan just robbed Tipp at the end from getting a draw. Really bad. I have said it for ages in Camogie and ladies football, the refs they have are all terrible. Most are unfit and this one tonight was terrible. I am not even from Tipp by the way!

How he managed to give it as a free out I will never know

JJTippBhoy

Terrible decision & he was poor all through the game.

The Lost Sheep

The White Feather wrote: »

The ref in the ladies football game between Tipperary and Monaghan just robbed Tipp at the end from getting a draw. Really bad. I have said it for ages in Camogie and ladies football, the refs they have are all terrible. Most are unfit and this one tonight was terrible. I am not even from Tipp by the way!

Wasnt great but refs arent all terrible in ladies football/camogie. What would you propose to help develop refs more though instead of saying very unfair things like theyre all terrible unfit etc which is plainly untrue.

Mantis Toboggan

Are the footballers on TV or is it gaago?